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19th May 2011, 10:47 PM | #201 |
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Clayton what does the FDA do that makes you think they are in the pocket of Big Pharma? And I mean what actions by the FDA makes you think this?
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20th May 2011, 12:39 AM | #207 |
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Sure. The myth was at the time that the MMR vaccine combo could cause autism. The debate was do it or not. Said debate was carried in favour of vaccination by science, and also by the vacuous anti-vax arguments. So my two beautiful daughters were vaccinated with, I believe, a 5 fold vaccine.
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20th May 2011, 04:31 AM | #210 |
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He'll have to home school his kids because sooner or later they'll enter biology and physics classes that will teach them stuff that contradicts his worldview.
Or grandchildren in Clayton's case. |
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20th May 2011, 07:12 AM | #211 |
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So you chanced it knowing you could get the vaccines individually a couple months apart? Insurance wouldn't pay for it?
So you believe their should be no childhood illnesses? And 20 vaccines or more is absolutely a good thing for a baby under 2 years old with an immature immune system? And who the medical community says shouldn't take an aspirin before adulthood? |
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You're not allowed personal attacks. You can criticize an argument to your heart's content.
Oh, and did I miss your answer to Dave Rogers question, namely why NICE recommends MMR vaccination despite their interests being very different to those of the pharmaceutical companies? |
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Unfortunately in Indiana a parent can opt out of ALL immunizations by citing "religious objection."
A school child may not be required to undergo any immunization when the child's parent objects on religious grounds. A religious objection must be: (1) Made in writing; (2) Signed by the child's parent; and (3) Delivered to the child's teacher or to the individual who might order an immunization. Even more unfortunate is that now we've extended that "opt out" option to daycare. Other states also have religious objection exclusions to required immunizations, something I wish more EDUCATED parents would lobby against. |
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Why would we want our kids to attend school? They'll just fill their heads with nonsense like "Muslim terrorists carrried out 9/11" and "the Nazis started WWII" and "the moon landings really happened."
Next, they'll be teaching them that Obama is human, when he's clearly a reptilian overlord in disguise! *spit* |
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20th May 2011, 06:29 PM | #231 |
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Except that things like the Measles, Rubella and Pertussis were way worse than the common cold.
By what criteria are you deciding that the Small Pox and Polio vaccines were "good" and all the others were "not?" And...once again. Would you please answer my question: What actions by the FDA makes you think they are bought off? |
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23rd May 2011, 01:07 AM | #233 |
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I'm betting they were twirling mustaches as well.
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23rd May 2011, 01:44 AM | #234 |
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Accidentally knocked their top hats off as they ran in the door.
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23rd May 2011, 04:59 AM | #235 |
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Translation: "I haven't got a clue, but because it's a counter-argument I'm going to try to confuse the issue in the hope that everyone will quietly forget about it."
Clayton, I think we can assume that the eminent members of the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence have access to the medical press and are able to read, and will therefore be familiar with the studies that show that no increase in autism has been observed as a result of MMR vaccination. Since their brief is to determine what healthcare should be provided in order to give maximum benefit for a given cost, which is very obviously in no way aligned to the financial interests of the pharmaceutical companies, why do you think they have chosen to recommend universal MMR vaccination? Dave |
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23rd May 2011, 07:00 AM | #236 |
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What, you mean the Big Pharma controlled FDA doesn't hold authoritarian control in all countries?
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27th May 2011, 04:06 AM | #238 |
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Bump.
It seems that the anti-vaccine nuts are getting their way; there's been a ten-fold increase in measles cases in the UK this year with increases also noted in France and Belgium. More here and here. |
27th May 2011, 07:17 AM | #239 |
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How can that be when all they need is proper nutrition and sanitation?
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27th May 2011, 07:34 AM | #240 |
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You know. I don't understand that argument even if its premise was correct. What do we do with all those people who haven't got proper nutrition and sanitation? Are they better off be-measled?
You don't even have to go to third world countries to find malnutrition and unsanitary living conditions. You don't have to go further than Plumstead common. (Or Sergel's Square in Stockholm) What about the homeless and the people who have fallen between the cracks in countries that no longer offer psychiatric care placements? What about the perfectly ordinary benefit recipient or minimum wage earner with a weekly food budget of £12 and a council that won't offer a bin scheme and also won't clean up after the gulls have been at the rubbish sacks? What do we do until we can - which we apparently can't now, for some reason, and councils are expected to save further millions of pounds next year - provide every citizen with proper nutrition and sanitation? Even if the premise was true - we don't have 100% coverage of nutrition and sanitation for our entire populations. There are always some people who fall through the cracks for long lengths of time. Are they just supposed to mump it? Because those of us who can afford proper nutrition and sanitary conditions aren't willing to trade off a 0.00000001% risk against a one in 15 risk? Nice. And academic, since the previous near erradication of these diseases - these killer diseases, these maiming diseases, these disfiguring and painful diseases - was down to vaccines and the proper infrastructure to administer them. |
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