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Old 24th June 2022, 02:04 PM   #1161
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Oh, dear, yet another person fell into the trap of confusing these two completely separate things:

1. This report is an accurate summation of the data that is currently in the database.
2. This report is an accurate reflection of reality.

As Moses said unto pharaoh: "Garbage in, garbage out". They spend most of every day cramming turds into there, what did they think would come out the other side, petit fours?
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Old 26th June 2022, 08:08 PM   #1162
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To give the appearance of being a manager, request more emails, using email.
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Old 29th June 2022, 07:28 PM   #1163
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I should have mentioned earlier. I had my Performance Appraisal with the boss last week. This is something that I always find stressful and anxiety-inducing, even when they have nothing but good things to say about me, which they did.

It also formally acknowledged that I am now the senior agent at my level (APS4), which means that I am the automatic tap if someone is needed to do Higher Duties as Team Leader (APS5). I also kind of committed to applying for the position should one of the three TL positions becomes vacant in the future, which it definitely will.

To give you an idea, the salary range for an APS4 is AU$67,100 - $73,256 and an APS5 is $73,636 - $79,841. Use your favourite currency converter to put that in terms that are familiar to you. I'm doing pretty well on my current salary, but the next level up is going to be sweet.

It is waaaay outside my comfort zone, but it's pretty clear that actually getting the position if I apply for it is a shoe-in. My bosses want me in the position (I know this because they said so). And also, it will allow me to put an almost-literally magic word on my resume: "supervise". With experience supervising staff, a whole new world of future opportunities opens up. And this is by far the easiest way for me to get that word on my resume, since most supervisory positions require experience in, you know, supervising. And this is the reason I'm very confident that one of the three TL positions will open up in the not-too-distant future - it's a common jumping point for people to go on to bigger and better things.

Things are looking up in Wollitown.
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Old 30th June 2022, 06:06 AM   #1164
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I should have mentioned earlier. I had my Performance Appraisal with the boss last week. This is something that I always find stressful and anxiety-inducing, even when they have nothing but good things to say about me, which they did.

It also formally acknowledged that I am now the senior agent at my level (APS4), which means that I am the automatic tap if someone is needed to do Higher Duties as Team Leader (APS5). I also kind of committed to applying for the position should one of the three TL positions becomes vacant in the future, which it definitely will.

To give you an idea, the salary range for an APS4 is AU$67,100 - $73,256 and an APS5 is $73,636 - $79,841. Use your favourite currency converter to put that in terms that are familiar to you. I'm doing pretty well on my current salary, but the next level up is going to be sweet.

It is waaaay outside my comfort zone, but it's pretty clear that actually getting the position if I apply for it is a shoe-in. My bosses want me in the position (I know this because they said so). And also, it will allow me to put an almost-literally magic word on my resume: "supervise". With experience supervising staff, a whole new world of future opportunities opens up. And this is by far the easiest way for me to get that word on my resume, since most supervisory positions require experience in, you know, supervising. And this is the reason I'm very confident that one of the three TL positions will open up in the not-too-distant future - it's a common jumping point for people to go on to bigger and better things.

Things are looking up in Wollitown.
That's awesome!
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Old 1st July 2022, 05:40 AM   #1165
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Dear user,

When you send me a ticket claiming “password reset is not working”, in which the included screenshot clearly shows the new password you’re attempting marked as “weak” and the error message “You cannot use that word as part of your password”, do not expect a non-snarky response.


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Old 1st July 2022, 05:51 AM   #1166
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I recall working in a mainframe systems programmer department. One team looked after VM/CMS systems and another MVS. One of the VM managers after bitching about how insanely biased we were against VM because not all of us had VM ids was asked if he had a MVS id. No, so shamefacedly asked for one. It was given. Then he bitched about how our system was so unfriendly and we couldn't even set up a new account properly. So we checked the logs. He was entering his incredibly trivial password as his userid as evinced by the "Logon id tuesday1 not recognised".
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Old 1st July 2022, 06:32 AM   #1167
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I've become firmly convinced that there is no surer method of making your users turn their computers off then to send out several e-mails that say "During the evening of XXXXX day we will be performing critical updates, it is vitally important that you leave your workstations on when you leave for the day."

I'm not kidding that I am metaphysically certain fewer users would have turned their computers off if we just said nothing.
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Old 1st July 2022, 06:37 AM   #1168
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I've become firmly convinced that there is no surer method of making your users turn their computers off then to send out several e-mails that say "During the evening of XXXXX day we will be performing critical updates, it is vitally important that you leave your workstations on when you leave for the day."

I'm not kidding that I am metaphysically certain fewer users would have turned their computers off if we just said nothing.
One of the places I worked at had solved that problem by using WOL (qv). if you happened to be working after hours, you could be snapped to attention at 3 in the morning as all the computers in the building started powering up.
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Old 1st July 2022, 08:35 AM   #1169
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Dear user,

When you send me a ticket claiming “password reset is not working”, in which the included screenshot clearly shows the new password you’re attempting marked as “weak” and the error message “You cannot use that word as part of your password”, do not expect a non-snarky response.


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Just yesterday I had a problem creating an account on a new site. I saw the message that said I had a "weak" password, but that's the one I use for sites that don't matter. It took me several tries to realize that the message meant I couldn't use that password and needed a stronger one, even though it didn't specify that.
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
Just yesterday I had a problem creating an account on a new site. I saw the message that said I had a "weak" password, but that's the one I use for sites that don't matter. It took me several tries to realize that the message meant I couldn't use that password and needed a stronger one, even though it didn't specify that.
I would passwdsafe's random password generator a lot more if sites could just be upfront about their password rules, especially which special characters are valid and/or required on that site.
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I'll never for the life of me understand a site/program in 2022 have a maximum password complexity.
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Old 1st July 2022, 09:08 AM   #1172
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I'll never for the life of me understand a site/program in 2022 have a maximum password complexity.
A couple of years back someone tried to defend that by saying it might have an IBM mainframe background. I told him that was bollocks as the security model should never work like that.
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One of the places I worked at had solved that problem by using WOL (qv). if you happened to be working after hours, you could be snapped to attention at 3 in the morning as all the computers in the building started powering up.
In this day everyone of significant size should have have WoL set up.
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Old 1st July 2022, 09:38 AM   #1174
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In this day everyone of significant size should have have WoL set up.
I would have thought this to be true but is anyone, anywhere using Wake-on-Modem (WoM) anymore?
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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
I would have thought this to be true but is anyone, anywhere using Wake-on-Modem (WoM) anymore?
I haven't seen an internal modem in a while, and IIRR serial modems did not do WoM.
Also I haven't seen an RS-232 in a while.
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I haven't seen an internal modem in a while, and IIRR serial modems did not do WoM.
Also I haven't seen an RS-232 in a while.
Apparently in doctors', lawyers'. and real estate agents' offices all over the world fax modems continue to whistle and beep away. My Brother printer/scanner has one built in but I've never tested it.

As for RS-232. Well. There is nothing to be said for RS-232.
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Favourite pet peeve for sites with STUPID password rules, is a superannuation site that clearly states:

"Password must be AT LEAST eight characters long."

After wasting approximately one hour, I discovered that they meant:

"Password must be EXACTLY eight characters long."

The same site says that the password must not be recorded anywhere, including in any password management system.

At least that idiocy can be ignored.
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Work has taken a turn for the better.

I have separate ID/password combinations for all the different domains that I need to connect to (because I maintain servers/software/services on those domains).

We're moving to Delinea Secret Server and Connection Manager to manage this.

So now, I literally do not know or care what my various domain passwords are, because SS maintains them for me. They're all ludicrously strong, and automatically updated.

Connection Manager links to Secret Server, and I have a host of 'connections' set up so that I can RDP or Telenet to any server with a couple of mouse clicks.

Note that Secret Server is set up with encyrpted sessions and two factor authentication.

I'm a happy man.

All the workarounds etc. that I used to maintain in KeePass have now gone away.

(Password expiry, and password inheritance)

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Apparently in doctors', lawyers'. and real estate agents' offices all over the world fax modems continue to whistle and beep away. My Brother printer/scanner has one built in but I've never tested it.

As for RS-232. Well. There is nothing to be said for RS-232.
A couple of years ago one of my coworkers had his luggage broken into and stuff stolen on a trip home to China. He had to fax a list of what was lost to the air carrier.

The RF ID tag readers we use still have RS-232 connections between them.

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There is nothing to be said for RS-232.
Despite much googling I am unable to find a video of Spitting Image's RS232 Interface Lead song that hasn't been suppressed for copyright violation.
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Despite much googling I am unable to find a video of Spitting Image's RS232 Interface Lead song that hasn't been suppressed for copyright violation.
Maybe that should be "save our collective sanity"?
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Dear sysadmins:

1. Don't presume to change my settings every time, when they're irrelevant for security or anything. And I don't mean password, but stuff like on the laptop I have to use for work at the moment, every flippin' time it forces my magnification to 100% and unchangeably without logging out. I'm an old guy, and reading 4k resolution without SOME magnification is just flippin' medically impossible for me.

2. Unless there is a hacking attack happening RIGHT NOW, piss off with the scripts that give me a big flippin' pop-up -- which can't be minimized or closed or anything -- in the middle of the screen to tell me to reboot right now. If it can't occur to anyone in the IT department that I might be actually doing something more important right now, like being in a meeting with your company's clients to solve an actual issue they're having, then I hope their job gets outsourced to someone who can sometime soon.

3. No, you don't have to review my architecture and need convincing about why I do or don't need persistent queues, or how my load balancing (which is calculated so it can still work if one server goes down, hence the others aren't running at 100%) is a waste of a computer, or whatever, unless you actually are an architect. The guy administrating the queue server is not it. Especially when it comes to how I load balance the web servers. That's not even related to his job or work experience.

Short version: In the meantime I'm actually 100% convinced that a large part of the drive to move to Amazon's or Google's or Microsoft's clouds is just people being sick and tired of dealing with their own IT department.
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Short version: In the meantime I'm actually 100% convinced that a large part of the drive to move to Amazon's or Google's or Microsoft's clouds is just people being sick and tired of dealing with their own IT department.
Absolutely! Infrastructure-as-code is so much better in all facets than infrastructure-by-helpdesk-ticket! Almost instant, no typos, no questions, sane safeguards, ...
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A couple of years ago one of my coworkers had his luggage broken into and stuff stolen on a trip home to China. He had to fax a list of what was lost to the air carrier.
Whenever my flight is delayed I insist on the airline facilitating me sending the two telexes I'm allowed by law.


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The RF ID tag readers we use still have RS-232 connections between them.

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So USB-to-serial converters?
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So USB-to-serial converters?
Nope, the older systems (and I'm just talking early 2000's) ain't gots no such USB thang. They are our own control computers. The newer stuff, while they do use standard computers with some USB ports, those ports ain't used for the ID readers or anything having to do with the equipment it runs. That's all just serial.

ETA: Oh while the older stuff's user interface is touch screen it does have PS2 connectors for an external keyboard and mouse.
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Yeah our big client had the bright idea of outsourcing their entire IT support to 3 guys in India. They came crawling back after literally about an hour.

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The IT industry needs to finally fish or cut bait with passwords. It's been a sort of open secret I think for a long time that we've reached the point of no return in the complexity/security ratio in what an average user can be expected to remember.

We need to rip the bandaid off and just move to tokens or biometrics handled via single point sign on.

But as I said before I'll find that planet of Eva Greene and Olivia Wilde clones before that happens.
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Yeah our big client had the bright idea of outsourcing their entire IT support to 3 guys in India. They came crawling back after literally about an hour.

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The IT industry needs to finally fish or cut bait with passwords. It's been a sort of open secret I think for a long time that we've reached the point of no return in the complexity/security ratio in what an average user can be expected to remember.

We need to rip the bandaid off and just move to tokens or biometrics handled via single point sign on.

But as I said before I'll find that planet of Eva Greene and Olivia Wilde clones before that happens.
Biometrics should be used only for identification ("this is who I am") and never for authorization ("I would like to get access this system.") The reason is if your biometric information is stolen, how do you ever fix that? Get a facelift? A finger transplant? A password or token provides a second layer of security between you and your data.

I cringe every time I see someone using Apple's FaceID to unlock their phone. What's to prevent a bad guy from stealing your phone and pointing it at your face to unlock it? Sure, it will probably lock again after a few minutes, but in that time at lot of damage can be done.
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Short version: In the meantime I'm actually 100% convinced that a large part of the drive to move to Amazon's or Google's or Microsoft's clouds is just people being sick and tired of dealing with their own IT department.
No. Have you ever managed AWS / Google / Azure instances? All they do is provide a hardware layer so you don't have to look after the servers yourself. They do not provide the expertise needed to keep the instances updated with the latest security patches, properly maintain access credentials, separate business data into segments so one single virus doesn't bring down the whole company, put guards in place so your email server doesn't get hacked into, build robust databases (Excel spreadsheets can make neat databases, but I'm not certain how well they're designed, or if there are nasty bugs lurking there), build usable dynamic web sites, or apply your business logic to the problem to come up with a solution. Cloud providers don't even do backups unless you're aware enough to turn on snapshot features or implement the backups yourself.

Sure, the I/T department can be frustrating to deal with. I've been in that place my whole career (and in one place I was the I/T department.) At the same time, the finance and legal departments can be frustrating to deal with as well. But there's a reason businesses hire people with expertise in those areas. Would you outsource your legal team to a bunch of people in China? Or trust your business's financial data to some web site out of Eastern Europe?

If you're interested, read a few pages of Reddit's Tales From Tech Support to see what happens when businesses don't have a competent people doing I/T, or clueless managers who understand why having competent I/T is a good thing.
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Because evil outside agents attacking your system specifically with nefarious intent is the most sexy yet least actually common threat that 99% of IT infrastructures (and something like 99.9999999% of individual users) will ever have to deal with.

It's like getting rid of all the fire extinguishers in my house because I'm afraid that if the KGB sends their absolute best assassin to take me out specifically they will be able to use the fire extinguisher in my kitchen to distract me before shooting me with their gun that fires ice bullets.

The IT Security field is becoming so over-obsessed with external targeted threats that they are starting to develop anti-vaxxer logic.

The biggest threat to my network is the incompetency of my users and I'm well aware of it.
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