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Old 3rd August 2009, 07:29 PM   #401
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We're all Jedi, you know.


Hmmmmm which means.............let me see. New Zealanders are Ewoks and the Poms are the evil Siyth Lords.........yes?
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You're onto it.

Don't forget the Gungans from the United States of Naboo. There's a colony of large-footed Wookies living in the PNW region of Naboo as well, according to some.
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War and strife goes with our nation and seems our way of life. It does show the determined people who won't give in. Unfortunely the strong get killed,lucky the woman carry on the genes. One of the somber places is the Adlaide River cementry( we spoke of these things before and it's one place where I grit my teeth) Haunted lonely waste of young lives. Anyway our pharoah "Dave" has done a terrific job of inserting pictures and facts of many things that I hope other readers find interesting. If he hasn't run out of steam we have barely touched on the wonders of this great southern land. All the strange caves across the west and a beauty north of the Three Ways, our soldiers sheltered from the heat plus had a shot or two at those (hang on tights) the name eludes me? those pointy things that grow down from a cave ceiling. The tour guide goes ahead to chase the snakes because they like the mild conditions in the cave.
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Golly, 10 000 views of this stuff. Has TV gone off the air or something?


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War and strife goes with our nation and seems our way of life. It does show the determined people who won't give in. Unfortunely the strong get killed; lucky the women carry on the genes.


I believe some input is required from us blokes as well. I'm a bit hazy on the details.



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One of the somber places is the Adelaide River cemetery (we spoke of these things before and it's one place where I grit my teeth). Haunted lonely waste of young lives.

<Polite snip. I'll get to the rest later >


You know, I was sure I'd done a post about the Adelaide River Cemetery, but I'm buggered if I can find it so I'll do another one.

I have to agree with you about the feel of the place. I'm glad I don't believe in ghosts, because it's full of them.


The Adelaide River War Cemetery


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The Adelaide River War Cemetery and the adjacent Adelaide River Wartime Civilian Cemetery are situated about 1 km (1 000 yd) from the Stuart Highway and 100 m (110 yd) from the Adelaide River in the town of Adelaide River, approximately 100 km (60 mi) south of Darwin, NT.


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The Adelaide River War Cemetery is the fourth largest war cemetery in Australia. As one of the many war cemeteries managed by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission it reflects the scale, intensity and human sacrifice that is recognised and associated with the Second World War. As part of a worldwide group of War Cemeteries it contributes to the continuity with which military personnel are mourned. It contributes to the sense of enormity of the loss of life resulting from WWII
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During the Second World War, Adelaide River was the headquarters of a large base, and the war cemetery was created especially for the burial of servicemen who died in this part of Australia. It was used by Australian General Hospitals Nos. 101, 107, 119, 121 and 129, and after the war the Army Graves Service moved other graves into it from isolated sites, temporary military burial grounds and various civil cemeteries in the area.

This cemetery now contains 434 Commonwealth burials of the Second World War. Within Adelaide River War Cemetery will be found the Northern Territory Memorial, which commemorates members of the Australian Army, the Royal Australian Air Force, the Australian Merchant Navy and the Services Reconnaissance Department who lost their lives in operations in the Timor and Northern Australian regions and in waters adjacent to Australia north of Latitude 20 degrees south, and who have no known grave.
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The adjacent Adelaide River Civilian Wartime Cemetery is the resting-place for some of the civilians killed as a result of enemy attacks on Australia, including those killed when the Darwin Post Office was bombed, as mentioned below.



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On 19 February 1942, 188 Japanese planes were launched against Darwin, whose harbour was full of Allied ships.

This was the first time since European settlement that mainland Australia had been attacked by a foreign enemy.

It was the largest Japanese attack since Pearl Harbour, 7 December 1941, and followed a reconnaissance flight on 10 February 1942. On that day there were 27 Allied ships in the harbour and approximately 30 aircraft at the Darwin Civil and RAAF airfields.

The first attack lasted approximately forty minutes. The land targets included the Post Office, Telegraph Office, Cable Office and the Postmaster's Residence, where postal workers were killed.

The second attack began an hour after the first ended. Heavy bombers attacked the Royal Australian Air Force Base at Parap and lasted about 25 minutes

From the first raid on 19 February 1942 until the last on 12 November 1943, Australia and its allies lost about 900 people, 77 aircraft and several ships. Many military and civilian facilities were destroyed. The Japanese lost about 131 aircraft in total during the attacks.

Although these first two raids were the largest, the Japanese were to undertake many more raids on Darwin and other northern Australian towns over the next 20 months. Two weeks after the Darwin bombing, on 3 March 1942, the Western Australian town of Broome suffered Australia's second-worst air raid. The attack killed seventy people and injured another forty, as well as eight large aircraft and 16 flying boats, 24 aircraft in total.



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I have to agree with you about the feel of the place. I'm glad I don't believe in ghosts, because it's full of them.
How would that be different than any other cemetery?

And I learned something new today -- I never knew Japan attacked Australia!
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Originally Posted by HawaiiBigSis View Post
How would that be different than any other cemetery?


Touché, lovely lady.



Originally Posted by HawaiiBigSis View Post
And I learned something new today -- I never knew Japan attacked Australia!


Learning is why I'm here, and I love it when I can give some back. Would you like some more of this subject? Hawaii and Australia have some things in common with regard to WWII that you may find interesting.


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Originally Posted by HawaiiBigSis View Post
And I learned something new today -- I never knew Japan attacked Australia!
They got submarines into Sydney Harbour!
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Touché, lovely lady.

Learning is why I'm here, and I love it when I can give some back. Would you like some more of this subject? Hawaii and Australia have some things in common with regard to WWII that you may find interesting.
Learning is also what keeps me coming back. And you've been doing a great job of teaching, Dave.

And yes, although I'm not much of war buff, knowing parallels between our homes would also be interesting to me.
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On the subject of cemeteries (but a slight derail from Australia), the saddest graves I saw were along the Natchez Trace in Mississippi, where there was what appeared to be a group of children buried. Four or five little headstones, carved from wood, with the names of what appeared to be the children of an entire family. Their dates of birth, and dates of death within four or five days. None of them were more than nine or 10 years old when they died.

My heart broke for that family. A hundred or so years on, but it still was very sad...

Okay, back to our regularly scheduled programming.
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They got submarines into Sydney Harbour!
Wow! At the same time they were attacking Darwin? Hmmm.... I wish I had time to research right this second!
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Originally Posted by HawaiiBigSis View Post
On the subject of cemeteries (but a slight derail from Australia), the saddest graves I saw were along the Natchez Trace in Mississippi, where there was what appeared to be a group of children buried. Four or five little headstones, carved from wood, with the names of what appeared to be the children of an entire family. Their dates of birth, and dates of death within four or five days. None of them were more than nine or 10 years old when they died.

My heart broke for that family. A hundred or so years on, but it still was very sad...

Okay, back to our regularly scheduled programming.

That is indeed sad.

Thank you very much for that. See! I told you that you'd have something interesting for us.



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Wow! At the same time they were attacking Darwin? Hmmm.... I wish I had time to research right this second!

Fear not! I'll just flog a couple of scribes into action and get something posted here about it.

As it happens, not long ago they found one of the submarines, just up the coast a bit from Sydney.

Stay tuned!
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That is indeed sad.

Thank you very much for that. See! I told you that you'd have something interesting for us.
Thanks, but it's not about Australia...

On the other hand, cemeteries are among my favorite places in the world, especially old ones. The new ones are too modern, and too orderly, almost sterile; the old ones feel more real somehow. (With the exception of the war cemeteries. They're altogether too real.)

I always imagine the stories of the lives told by the headstones. Sometimes they're sad, sometimes they're indicative of lives lived well loved and long.
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I know exactly what you mean.

Myself and a lot of other people have picked up a lot of history fom visiting old cemeteries throughout Australia.

Here's a note about the oldest European grave that I've visited in Australia. It is the very first one that ever there was.


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Sutherland is where I grew up.

Do you have anything similar in Hawaii? Comparing the histories of our two countries is quite a valid subject for this thread, you know.

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Do you have anything similar in Hawaii? Comparing the histories of our two countries is quite a valid subject for this thread, you know.
I'd have to give it some thought. We probably do, but I don't really know of anything off the top of my head...

On the other hand, I can tell a little story. (Like Old Bob's stories, it's anecdotal, so I don't know how true it is.)

Note the bars over the graves in the picture. I asked a local guy who was about my age what they were for. He said that during a specific season, people would place offerings of food on the bars for the ancestors. The local kids (himself included) would take the food right after it was placed, and everybody was happy: he'd get a snack, whoever placed the food felt that the offerings were accepted, the ancestors were honored.

I just like the fact that this particular cemetery has a gorgeous view...
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It's great to see BigSis enjoying the thread and Daves outstanding pictures. Has anyone noticed how blue southern photo's are? Australia has a haze of eucalyptus oil that puts a blue tinge on background. Also we have a dip in the atomsphere that lets in more UV, not so on northern photo's. Kodak made a differant film for Australia and had (or still have?) a small secret nuke reactor in Australia. We may get our own Hawaii in the future as we have a hot spot forming in Bass Strait(Tasmania) Now a bit of mystic stuff, has any one seen the odd lights that appear to run up the face of Mt Buffalo? (N.E.Victoria)
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Further to the link with Hawaii is fact that the carrier group that launched the attacks on Darwin was made up of the Akagi, Kaga Soryu and Hiryu – all of which participated in the Pearl Harbour raid. This is true of at least the first attacks on Darwin Harbour. There were a total of 64 raids on Darwin and its environs, including Adelaide River and various airfield fields. This is according to “Darwin’s Air War” which is an NT Aviation Historical Society publication I picked up from their great museum in Darwin. The centre piece of the museum is USAF B-52 – once at least a frequent visitor to Darwin.

I spent a lot of fun times as a kid camping around those northern airfields on Society expeditions to locate and recover various aircraft and parts. Unfortunately some of the old planes, including Spitfires, were bulldozed into pits and buried after the war – something to do with war loans and Australia not really owning them as I remember.

We shouldn’t forget our Dutch friends in all this and the contributions of the Netherlands East Indies Air Force, who had a squadron of B-25 Mitchells based at the Batchelor strip (Gould) near Adelaide River.
http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/nei-af.htm

Old Bob, you are right about Aussie skies – one of the first things I noticed over here was the lack of blue skies down to the horizon.
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...we have a dip in the atomsphere that lets in more UV...
This is actually true. The ozone layer is apparently thinner in the southern hemisphere. And it's worse the further south you get, and affected by climate.

I spend a day sunbathing in Fiji a few years ago (2006) without sunscreen. I got a slight sunburn. If I'd done that in Batemans Bay in the summer (when there's comparable temperature) I would have been severely burned.

This is an anecdote and should be treated as such.
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This is actually true. The ozone layer is apparently thinner in the southern hemisphere. And it's worse the further south you get, and affected by climate.

I spend a day sunbathing in Fiji a few years ago (2006) without sunscreen. I got a slight sunburn. If I'd done that in Batemans Bay in the summer (when there's comparable temperature) I would have been severely burned.

This is an anecdote and should be treated as such.
Oh I concur entirely - Here in Kansas, people will sunbathe in 100F heat all day, crisp up a little, but otherwise be fine. 20 minutes on a beach in Sydney gets the same result

It is curious with the thinning of the ozone layer, QLD gets more affected than the other states, were as you would think going south would be worse Victoria Tassie etc
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They got submarines into Sydney Harbour!
There was also a full scale engagement at the mouth of Newcastle harbour.

The Eastern suburbs of Sydney, Dover Heights etc were also shelled a couple of times

And many people dont realise Broome was bombed by the Japanese during the war
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All the strange caves across the west and a beauty north of the Three Ways, our soldiers sheltered from the heat plus had a shot or two at the stalactites.

The tour guide goes ahead to chase the snakes because they like the mild conditions in the cave.

I love caves and caving. I'll do an article about Australia's limestone caves when we get done with cemeteries


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Originally Posted by HawaiiBigSis View Post
I'd have to give it some thought. We probably do, but I don't really know of anything off the top of my head...

On the other hand, I can tell a little story. (Like Old Bob's stories, it's anecdotal, so I don't know how true it is.)



Note the bars over the graves in the picture. I asked a local guy who was about my age what they were for. He said that during a specific season, people would place offerings of food on the bars for the ancestors. The local kids (himself included) would take the food right after it was placed, and everybody was happy: he'd get a snack, whoever placed the food felt that the offerings were accepted, the ancestors were honored.

I just like the fact that this particular cemetery has a gorgeous view...

This reminds me very much of cemeteries I've seen around Australia's former (and current) goldfields, particularly around Ballarat and Bendigo.

Many, many Chinese workers were employed on the goldfields and the cemeteries they constructed contain monuments similar to the one in your picture. The food offerings to ancestors were also similar to your description, although I can't attest to the "foraging"

As far as I know, this practice continues today, even in some of the very oldest Chinese cemeteries. I guess ancestors don't age very much.


Here's a picture of a Chinese cemetery at Beechworth in Victoria. The tower thingies are where the food (and money) offerings go, before they they set fire to them.


Beechworth Secondary College

I've been here a few times, chasing bunnies, and I imagine Old Bob has been here as well. I find things like this to look quite bizarre when they turn up in the middle of the Aussie bush.


ETA: There are also a number of Japanese cemeteries in Australia, but they aren't generally as old as the Chinese ones I'm describing here. Next post
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Further to the link with Hawaii is fact that the carrier group that launched the attacks on Darwin was made up of the Akagi, Kaga Soryu and Hiryu – all of which participated in the Pearl Harbour raid.


And HBS thought she was OT. Ha ha! Thank you for this snippet.



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This is true of at least the first attacks on Darwin Harbour. There were a total of 64 raids on Darwin and its environs, including Adelaide River and various airfields. This is according to “Darwin’s Air War” which is an NT Aviation Historical Society publication I picked up from their great museum in Darwin. The centre piece of the museum is USAF B-52 – once at least a frequent visitor to Darwin.


Yay! I get to tell another warry story.

I've seen a few B-52s doing their thing, but I was on an exercise near Kununurra once and the USAF sent one to help out with an "air strike" against some sheds that were pretending to be enemy tanks or something.

We knew the bomber was coming, so luckily knew where to look for it. In she came about 50 feet above the trees (NOE) and almost whispered straight over the top of us.

It was absolutely awesome, and I couldn't help thinking how deaded you'd be if they launched one of those things at you. You'd be in a billion pieces before you even saw the '52.



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I spent a lot of fun times as a kid camping around those northern airfields on Society expeditions to locate and recover various aircraft and parts. Unfortunately some of the old planes, including Spitfires, were bulldozed into pits and buried after the war – something to do with war loans and Australia not really owning them as I remember.


I've done the same thing in the course of playing soldiers. I, and a lot of other people, dream about finding some of those lost aircraft. My own home airfield at Oakey in Queensland was a second-line repair base during the War, and its rumoured cache contains 'Stangs and Liberators.

A bloke dug up the local drive-in theatre once, looking for them.



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We shouldn’t forget our Dutch friends in all this and the contributions of the Netherlands East Indies Air Force, who had a squadron of B-25 Mitchells based at the Batchelor strip (Gould) near Adelaide River.

http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/nei-af.htm



A Dutch B-25 Mitchell Bomber


Peter Dunn's AUSTRALIA @ WAR


I ho(i)sted this pic from your link. Thanks.


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Yesterday was the anniversary of the battle of Long Tan, one of the greatest feats of military valour in Australia's history. Just over 100 Australians and a few New Zealanders took on around 2,500 Viet Cong - and won. 18 Australians died, which was a tragedy for a small nation, but 245 of the enemy were killed.

Yesterday was also Vietnam Veterans Day. A salute to aussie Vietnam vets, and all others for that matter.

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It's Lt Colonel "Mad" Harry Murray, who I'm sure Akhenaten at least has heard of.

I do indeed Damien. LT Col Murray was an outstanding soldier. Personally, I admire the fact that he was able to work his way up from being a private soldier to commanding a battalion. His heroism and his single-minded devotion to duty are an inspiration to all, quite apart from the pride his nation has for his actions.

I'll do an article for the thread on him.

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Yesterday was the anniversary of the battle of Long Tan, one of the greatest feats of military valour in Australia's history. Just over 100 Australians and a few New Zealanders took on around 2,500 Viet Cong - and won. 18 Australians died, which was a tragedy for a small nation, but 245 of the enemy were killed.

Yesterday was also Vietnam Veterans Day. A salute to aussie Vietnam vets, and all others for that matter.

http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov....icles/longtan/

Thanks for that lionking. As it happens, I met up with a few mates for a Long Tan drinky at Pucka today and I'm only just coming good again.

Long Tan is a large chapter in our military history. I've been putting off articles about the Vietnam era until we'd drifted through our WWI and WWII history, and it seems the appropriate time has arrived. I'll get something together to introduce Australia's Vietnam war in a bit more detail.

Is there anything from the two world wars that anyone would like covered, before I sort of move on? I know I promised an article on Sir John Monash, but I'm saving that for next Anzac Day.

Also, there's been a fair bit of news regarding Fromelles lately, and I wouldn't mind doing a write-up on that. I think that's an area of interest for you, lk?


Thanks again fellas,

Dave


PS This thread's doing rather well isn't it? There's some weird **** going on in those other threads and I have to wonder why I don't just stay in here all the time.
How come everyone but Australians are as mad as cut snakes?

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Old 19th August 2009, 08:19 AM   #426
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Almost anything you could want to know about Australia on the Western Front can be found in Les Carlyons excellent history The Great War.

Of course, this is also a good spot: http://www.awm.gov.au/histories/first_world_war/

But no-one could ever remember all of that.
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You do a pretty good job
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Originally Posted by Akhenaten View Post
How come everyone but Australians are as mad as cut snakes?
Not exactly sure what a cut snake is, nor how mad they are, but I'm pretty sure I'm not Australian... (unless there's a category for honorary Australians reserved for people who've never been there).

Should I be insulted?
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Originally Posted by HawaiiBigSis View Post
Not exactly sure what a cut snake is, nor how mad they are, but I'm pretty sure I'm not Australian... (unless there's a category for honorary Australians reserved for people who've never been there).

Should I be insulted?
Yes you should be.

Anyway, I resent Akhenaten's disgraceful stereotyping of Australians. I get as mad as a cut snake sometimes, and I'm proud of it.
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Originally Posted by HawaiiBigSis View Post
Not exactly sure what a cut snake is, nor how mad they are, but I'm pretty sure I'm not Australian... (unless there's a category for honorary Australians reserved for people who've never been there).

Should I be insulted?
No,not at all it's just the way we talk, example would be I could call lionking a "dopey wanker" and he would take no notice, so on behalf of Akhenaten I'm sure nothing insulting was meant.
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Originally Posted by HawaiiBigSis View Post
Not exactly sure what a cut snake is, nor how mad they are, but I'm pretty sure I'm not Australian... (unless there's a category for honorary Australians reserved for people who've never been there).

Should I be insulted?


  1. Obtain snake.

  2. Cut.

  3. Observe snake's reaction.

  4. Compare to behaviour of religious zealots, faith healers, YECs and most of Africa.

  5. Realise that HBS is not like that.

  6. Decide not to be insulted.

By the power vested in me as Pharaoh of the Upper and Lower Lands and Pi-Broadford I declare you, HawaiiBigSis, to be an honorary Australian, with all the rights, priveleges and stereotypes obtaining thereto.

Raise your tinny and repeat after me:


"Do you come from a land down under?

Where women glow and men plunder?

Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder?

You better run, you better take cover."

I dub thee "A Good Sort".





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Yes you should be.

Anyway, I resent Akhenaten's disgraceful stereotyping of Australians. I get as mad as a cut snake sometimes, and I'm proud of it.


Me too! It's a good thing that snakes of the same species are immune to each other's venom.



Cheers Mate.
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No,not at all it's just the way we talk, example would be I could call lionking a "dopey wanker" and he would take no notice, so on behalf of Akhenaten I'm sure nothing insulting was meant.

Too right, Cobber
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No,not at all it's just the way we talk, example would be I could call lionking a "dopey wanker" and he would take no notice, so on behalf of Akhenaten I'm sure nothing insulting was meant.
Only in Australia can you call your best friend "a complete bastard" and your worst enemy only "a bit of a bastard".

Ya drongo.
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By the power vested in me as Pharaoh of the Upper and Lower Lands and Pi-Broadford I declare you, HawaiiBigSis, to be an honorary Australian, with all the rights, priveleges and stereotypes obtaining thereto.
w00t!

(wait...does it mean I have to start drinking Foster's or something like that? I don't do beer. But if I ever get there, I'd be happy to sample local-grown wines. Actually, I think I might've already. Is Yellowtail from Australia?)
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Originally Posted by HawaiiBigSis View Post
w00t!

(wait...does it mean I have to start drinking Foster's or something like that? I don't do beer. But if I ever get there, I'd be happy to sample local-grown wines. Actually, I think I might've already. Is Yellowtail from Australia?)
Do not, whatever you do, do NOT start drinking Fosters.

The local Chardonnay will be just fine.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Do not, whatever you do, do NOT start drinking Fosters.
No worries. It would have to be the only thing between me and certain death from dehydration for me to drink a beer.

However, the Yellow Tail wines I've had, I've enjoyed.

Now that I'm an official honorary Australian, I looked into how much it would cost for me to get from here to there.

Yikes!

I'll start saving my pennies now. Maybe I'll live long enough.
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Yellow tail is from Aussi along with dozens more (all great) We do make beautiful wine no doubt helped by the Italian born Australians who brought there wine making skill here. North east Victoria near Myrtleford has wine processing plant that looks like a oil refinery. My wife bought good quailty red for the special price of a $1.99 ( a happy night in every bottle) Bush fire smoke in the fall can taint the grapes and does spoil a lot.
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Originally Posted by HawaiiBigSis View Post
w00t!

(wait...does it mean I have to start drinking Foster's or something like that? I don't do beer.
Thats alright, Fosters isn't a beer, so you wont be disapointed
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Originally Posted by Old Bob View Post
Yellow tail is from Aussi along with dozens more (all great) We do make beautiful wine no doubt helped by the Italian born Australians who brought there wine making skill here. North east Victoria near Myrtleford has wine processing plant that looks like a oil refinery. My wife bought good quailty red for the special price of a $1.99 ( a happy night in every bottle) Bush fire smoke in the fall can taint the grapes and does spoil a lot.

German immigrants also made a big contribution in South Australia's Barossa Valley.
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German immigrants also made a big contribution in South Australia's Barossa Valley.

They also built wineries in Queensland. Some of the remnants of these have been mis-identified as signs of a much older civilization, and some even as Pyramids.

More to follow, over.
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