The Johnny Depp/Amber Heard thing

[Jules Galen]

One thing about Johnny that i respect is his choice of Bodyguards.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...977787cd24.jpg

His Bodyguard is a pretty old guy that I bet even Johnny could whip pretty hefty...but being tough is not what makes a great bodyguard. I figure an old guy like this has been "around the block" a couple of dozen times, at least, and knows how to spot trouble from a half-mile away and steer Johnny clear of it: and that is the best kind of self defense.

[Joey McGee]

Oh, it's possible, "but you said it was impossible" No I didn't "WAHHHHHHH"

[Klimax]

Looks like just more "believe crap" noise. Well, I don't think people will have to wait too long...

BTW: Self-injuries are quite common. There is a reason why just believing is ultimate idiocy. (Justice just gets thrown out...)

[Puppycow]

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I AGREE

[johnny karate]

No matter how you feel about the abuse allegations or how that video may or may not substantiate them, one thing is for sure: Johnny Depp comes off like a huge douchebag.

[Cain]

You know what would hurt his popularity way, way more? If he jumped up on a couch and said he loved his girlfriend. What kind of an ******* does that?

[TheGoldcountry]

Originally Posted by Cain

You know what would hurt his popularity way, way more? If he jumped up on a couch and said he loved his girlfriend. What kind of an ******* does that?

A better question is why some people care more about the lives of celebrities more than the people around them, who actually might care about them.

[Cleon]

The woman who was "obviously" in it for the money has donated her entire divorce settlement to the ACLU and Children's Hospital of Los Angeles.

[KatieG]

I don't think she was in it for the money but she certainly knew what she was getting into when she entered into a relationship with him. He'd already been in several brawls and was known to be a alcoholic and a drug abuser. Whether from an "I can change him, he'll give all that up cuz he loves me" or "well, he's not like that all the time", women can rationalize their emotions and make horrible decisions. Not that I would know anything about doing that

She's lucky she's out and maybe JD can try to repair his relationships with Vanessa and his children.

[Stacko]

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Johnny Depp comes off like a huge douchebag.

Isn't this an evergreen statement regardless of context?

[Cain]

Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry

A better question is why some people care more about the lives of celebrities more than the people around them, who actually might care about them.

Celebrities care about and love their fans. Plus celebrity lives are far more interesting than our own. They're also brave, like when they wear a certain dress to a premiere.

[Jules Galen]

Too bad there's not a law that protects men's natural rights to hit women - especially when they nag and nag and won't shut up. Seriously, there's a lot of women out there who would be much better people if it were legal for their husbands to smack them in the face every now and then. And there's nothing wrong with that - it's just the natural way of disciplining married women (at least the ones who need to be smacked in the face).

Anyways...I douby Johnny hit Amber, but he should have rightfully been able to do so.

[cullennz]

Originally Posted by Jules Galen

Too bad there's not a law that protects men's natural rights to hit women - especially when they nag and nag and won't shut up. Seriously, there's a lot of women out there who would be much better people if it were legal for their husbands to smack them in the face every now and then. And there's nothing wrong with that - it's just the natural way of disciplining married women (at least the ones who need to be smacked in the face).

Anyways...I douby Johnny hit Amber, but he should have rightfully been able to do so.

Kinda odd post

[Jules Galen]

Originally Posted by cullennz

Kinda odd post

Yes, it is. I wouldn't take it too seriously.

On a more serious note to guys: Don't ever hit your wife, even if she desrves it. Furthermore, do not tolerate her hitting you. If it happens, then make plans for divorce immediatly and start the process. No need to tell her (or anyone else)...just let it be a surprise. Otherwise, do not be surprised to find yourself eventually sitting in a jail cell when your loving spouse lies to the police about you hitting her.

[cullennz]

Originally Posted by Jules Galen

Yes, it is. I wouldn't take it too seriously.

On a more serious note to guys: Don't ever hit your wife, even if she desrves it. Furthermore, do not tolerate her hitting you. If it happens, then make plans for divorce immediatly and start the process. No need to tell her (or anyone else)...just let it be a surprise. Otherwise, do not be surprised to find yourself eventually sitting in a jail cell when your loving spouse lies to the police about you hitting her.

My wife has punched me once but never hit her.

It's amazing how **** you can make someone feel by just saying nothing and leaving for a couple of hours

[Butter!]

Originally Posted by Jules Galen

Too bad there's not a law that protects men's natural rights to hit women - especially when they nag and nag and won't shut up. Seriously, there's a lot of women out there who would be much better people if it were legal for their husbands to smack them in the face every now and then. And there's nothing wrong with that - it's just the natural way of disciplining married women (at least the ones who need to be smacked in the face).

Anyways...I douby Johnny hit Amber, but he should have rightfully been able to do so.

[Joey McGee]

Originally Posted by cullennz

My wife has punched me once but never hit her.

It's amazing how **** you can make someone feel by just saying nothing and leaving for a couple of hours

Sounds like a great way to have some of my stuff set on fire.

[Joey McGee]

Originally Posted by Jules Galen

Yes, it is. I wouldn't take it too seriously.

On a more serious note to guys: Don't ever hit your wife, even if she desrves it. Furthermore, do not tolerate her hitting you. If it happens, then make plans for divorce immediatly and start the process. No need to tell her (or anyone else)...just let it be a surprise. Otherwise, do not be surprised to find yourself eventually sitting in a jail cell when your loving spouse lies to the police about you hitting her.

This managed to be even more stupid and ridiculous just in a more subtle way.

[Puppycow]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

Sounds like a great way to have some of my stuff set on fire.

Really? He didn't say anything or fight back, just left for a couple hours. If you come back and find your stuff has been burned, I would say that person has a serious problem and you need to leave the relationship. But that's just me.

[Joey McGee]

That much you could have left unsaid my friend. As I just finished saying to someone who is reading this thread, allow me to quote myself, "Lots of couples have never been in a fight, I take a fight to be pretty much the end of the relationship if it isn't easily patched up in a way that leads one to believe that it won't happen again, fighting all the time like that, I lived that once, never again, I've never seen it end well for anyone I know either... but, you have to give them credit for soldiering on, life is hard."

If you're at the point where you would leave your partner without saying anything, leaving them hanging as we all know, a painful prospect, every system in your body trying to resolve a social problem and being left alone, that's like leaving your dog by himself in the park because he chased a squirrel what the hell? That's abuse, I'm sorry. Keep the channels open and work it out. It was a joke, in other words.

[Puppycow]

Sorry to bump an old thread that I started.

Just happened upon a news item that says that Depp is now suing Heard for defamation for an Op-Ed she wrote about domestic abuse.

Ireland Baldwin slams Amber Heard amid Johnny Depp trial: 'Absolute disaster of a human being'

Quote:

Depp, 58, is suing Heard, 36, for $50 million over an op-ed she wrote for The Washington Post alleging she was the victim of domestic abuse. Heard never identified Depp directly, but attorneys for the "Pirates of the Caribbean" actor say her allegations have negatively impacted Depp's career and relationship with his family.

The pair have accused each other of abuse over the course of the trial for the past 10 days, but cross-examination by Heard's defense team on Thursday revealed eye-popping text messages, photos and video evidence — much of which Heard took herself during their relationship — painting Depp as a violent substance abuser.

Maybe the abuse went both ways. There does seem to be some evidence that she was violent too. Her attorney is named "Rottenborn", which seems like an unfortunate name to me.

I'm not taking sides here, because I have no inside knowledge of course, but it is a spectacle. They were divorced 7 years ago but the fight still goes on. I guess they haven't moved on yet.

Legally, is there any chance he could actually win this lawsuit (seems unlikely to me), or is it primarily just a way to attempt to restore his tarnished reputation?

[Puppycow]

Here's another article about the trial:
Johnny Depp v. Amber Heard: the shocking trial's wildest moments

Quote:

The couple abused each other during their vicious quarrels, a marriage counselor testified in a videotaped deposition.

"With Ms. Heard, he was triggered, and they engaged in what I saw as mutual abuse," said Dr. Laurel Anderson. "I know she led on more than one occasions and started it."

Heard told Anderson that she had hit, socked and thrown a can at [Depp] on various occasions. She said he also hit her.

"It was a point of pride to [Heard] if she felt disrespected to initiate a fight," the Los Angeles doctor said.

Sounds like they're both pretty awful people.

[cullennz]

They seem to come across as both being a bit self indulgent privileged prima donnas.

With her winning the the wouldn't want to be around contest a little bit. But not by much.

She is obviously the bigger weirdo though, in the who is the biggest weirdo of the 2 competition.

[Orphia Nay]

All I know is that Depp faces a pretty hard time trying to prove his innocence, being a man.

Abused men are a thing, though whether anyone believes it or not is another story.

I haven't read much of the trial, but I'll be interested in the outcome, hoping the judge will decide for me.

[dudalb]

I think this has become a case of mutual assured destruction, both seem determined to drag the other down with them.I am sure their PR people and their agents have advised both to reach some kind of deal no way either can really "win" this case anymore, but the hatred between the two seems real.\
It probably does not matter which one wins legally. they have both done serious perhaps fatal damage to their careers.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think this has become a case of mutual assured destruction, both seem determined to drag the other down with them.I am sure their PR people and their agents have advised both to reach some kind of deal no way either can really "win" this case anymore, but the hatred between the two seems real.\
It probably does not matter which one wins legally. they have both done serious perhaps fatal damage to their careers.

I think the trial is going pretty well for Johnny. Yeah, there are lots of uncomfortable details about his drug use and whatnot. But that’s long been out there. The trial is showing a consistent pattern of Amber being physically abusive herself, frequently lying, and nobody backing up her story of being physically abused. Under the circumstances, that’s a victory for Johnny.

[whoanellie]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

I think the trial is going pretty well for Johnny. Yeah, there are lots of uncomfortable details about his drug use and whatnot. But that’s long been out there. The trial is showing a consistent pattern of Amber being physically abusive herself, frequently lying, and nobody backing up her story of being physically abused. Under the circumstances, that’s a victory for Johnny.

I don't think the trial is going well for Depp.
Both Depp and Heard are coming off very poorly. I might agree that Heard is getting the worst of it so far but at this point we've only heard [NPI] Depp's witnesses and Depp himself. Many of Depp's witness come off as yes-men and enablers of his drug abuse.
Ultimately, the issue in Depp's suit is not whether Heard was more or less abusive than Depp. The issue is did Heard defame Depp in her WaPo op-ed. Heard's lawyers have made a very good case that there is nothing in that article that is defamatory. Finally, the fact that Depp's drug use has 'long been out there' argues against Depp actually sustaining any significant damages as a result of Heard's op-ed.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by whoanellie

I don't think the trial is going well for Depp.
Both Depp and Heard are coming off very poorly. I might agree that Heard is getting the worst of it so far but at this point we've only heard [NPI] Depp's witnesses and Depp himself. Many of Depp's witness come off as yes-men and enablers of his drug abuse.
Ultimately, the issue in Depp's suit is not whether Heard was more or less abusive than Depp. The issue is did Heard defame Depp in her WaPo op-ed. Heard's lawyers have made a very good case that there is nothing in that article that is defamatory. Finally, the fact that Depp's drug use has 'long been out there' argues against Depp actually sustaining any significant damages as a result of Heard's op-ed.

Actors using drugs is the biggest dog bites man story out there. He didn't lose roles because he did drugs. That never happens in Hollywood.

He lost roles because Amber claimed he physically abused her. If that claim falls apart, then he wins.

[whoanellie]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Actors using drugs is the biggest dog bites man story out there. He didn't lose roles because he did drugs. That never happens in Hollywood.

There were articles in the Hollywood press regarding Depp (prior to any abuse allegations) suggesting otherwise. Never is a big word.

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

He lost roles because Amber claimed he physically abused her. If that claim falls apart, then he wins.

Where are those claims in the washington post article?

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by whoanellie

There were articles in the Hollywood press regarding Depp (prior to any abuse allegations) suggesting otherwise.

Yeah, no. Drug use which leads to behavior problems can sometimes lose actors a role. But drug use on its own? Nope, doesn't happen. As to all that tabloid stuff, that's all it is: tabloid stuff. If that's the best that Heard's team can do, they've got nothing.

[dudalb]

It's not going well for either, frankly.
Clear who you support and, given your politics, no surprise.

[IsThisTheLife]

My morbid curiosity has been getting the better of me. Paid precisely zero attention to this "story" until last night when I somehow ended up whiling away a few hours watching various depositions and court testimonies ... and it's now crystal clear that Amber Heard is a pathologically malignant and dangerous individual who, for the crimes she's committed, should be in jail or a psychiatric institution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR0Wu4fa7C4&t=1230s

[qayak]

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Sorry to bump an old thread that I started.

Just happened upon a news item that says that Depp is now suing Heard for defamation for an Op-Ed she wrote about domestic abuse.

Ireland Baldwin slams Amber Heard amid Johnny Depp trial: 'Absolute disaster of a human being'



Maybe the abuse went both ways. There does seem to be some evidence that she was violent too. Her attorney is named "Rottenborn", which seems like an unfortunate name to me.

I'm not taking sides here, because I have no inside knowledge of course, but it is a spectacle. They were divorced 7 years ago but the fight still goes on. I guess they haven't moved on yet.

The only one I know who was arrested for domestic violence is Amber Heard.

[TheGoldcountry]

It sounds like she felt it was okay to drag him through the mud to get what she wanted in their divorce, which is reprehensible.

But, that being said, I'm seeing a lot of misogynistic "Yeah! Look! Women can be abusers too!" rhetoric coming out of this as though this is representative of society in general.

A lot of toxic MRA's are having a field day with this, and it makes me a little queasy.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I've seen bits and pieces, and so far it looks like he's winning. But who knows?

But....what's the deal with all their conversations being recorded? Who was recording them? Is this normal for celebrities?

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

I've seen bits and pieces, and so far it looks like he's winning. But who knows?

But....what's the deal with all their conversations being recorded? Who was recording them? Is this normal for celebrities?

Some recordings were done by Amber because she was trying to set him up to help her in the divorce proceedings. Some were done by Johnny because she kept lying and he wanted stuff on the record.

[IsThisTheLife]

Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry

It sounds like she felt it was okay to drag him through the mud to get what she wanted in their divorce, which is reprehensible.

But, that being said, I'm seeing a lot of misogynistic "Yeah! Look! Women can be abusers too!" rhetoric coming out of this as though this is representative of society in general.

A lot of toxic MRA's are having a field day with this, and it makes me a little queasy.

A lot of toxic liberals had a field day with this, and it made me a little queasy.

ETA >> Generally speaking, what's intersting is the light this sheds on the extreme double-standards and moral relatavism that have permeated everything, not least our legal/justice systems.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I will note that the women on my FB feed are not fans of hers.

[IsThisTheLife]

As I said, I had been paying zero interest, but the "news" coverage and chatter was impossible to avoid. For example, it would have been in 2020 I saw the photo, taken in 2016, of Depp in ER flat on his back on a gurney with a bleeding finger and thought "drama queen", because no details or context were given other than "his finger was cut". Turns out a good cm or so of the middle finger of his dominant hand had been chopped off (including bone), the remaining phalange crushed into three pieces, and he was supine because he'd been dosed to the eyeballs on pain killers. He later contracted an MRSA infection that got to the point of "life threatening". Depp had told the medical personnel at the time that he had trapped the finger in an "accordian door". Nice, Ms. Heard.

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry

It sounds like she felt it was okay to drag him through the mud to get what she wanted in their divorce, which is reprehensible.

But, that being said, I'm seeing a lot of misogynistic "Yeah! Look! Women can be abusers too!" rhetoric coming out of this as though this is representative of society in general.

A lot of toxic MRA's are having a field day with this, and it makes me a little queasy.

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<SNIP> Edited for Rule 11; Rule 12

I repeat; both Heard and Depp are total trainwrecks.