The Jan. 6 Investigation - Page 77

Davidlpf · 28th June 2022, 06:33 PM

Poor baby he didn't when the election so he throw plate at a wall.

eerok · 28th June 2022, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I cannot think of anything more disgustng then using Ketchup on a really good steak.

Once a steak is well-done, there's no hope for it anyway.

zorro99 · 28th June 2022, 07:05 PM

“They’re not here to hurt me.” Those are the words of a lying, stinking coward. Trump behaves like a petty third-world dictator.

Davidlpf · 28th June 2022, 07:11 PM

Trump is a wannabe Tyrant but the institution was stronger than him.

Cain · 28th June 2022, 07:14 PM

The lurid (but ultimately unimportant) details sound too good to be true. Ketchup dribbling down the wall, reached for a steering wheel, attempted to throttle an agent with his tiny hands. Did he also pay Russian prostitutes to pee on a bed? The indictment against Trump is that it's all believable.

If Trump is playing 3-D chess, he should've had some payoff to get this 25 year-old to perjure herself, which would then cast all of the J6 hearings into doubt.

dudalb · 28th June 2022, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by eerok

Once a steak is well-done, there's no hope for it anyway.

You know about how good restaurants take the inferior cuts of meat and put them aside for the customers who order "well done"?

That was one of the dirty little secrets about restaurant kitchens that the late..and still missed...Anthony Bourdain told about in his first book.

Bob001 · 28th June 2022, 07:37 PM

Question: What are Cassidy Hutchinson's career prospects? She was 24 when this was happening around her, just 26 now. She worked for Trump and, before that, Scalise, because she supported right-wing Repub views. It's hard to believe that any Republican official or organization would hire her now, and places that might respect her intelligence and integrity wouldn't much like her politics, nor would she like their's. What's her next step? (I suspect grad school or law school, but she might not have the money or inclination.)

d4m10n · 28th June 2022, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Question: What are Cassidy Hutchinson's career prospects? She was 24 when this was happening around her, just 26 now. She worked for Trump and, before that, Scalise, because she supported right-wing Repub views. It's hard to believe that any Republican official or organization would hire her now, and places that might respect her intelligence and integrity wouldn't much like her politics, nor would she like their's. What's her next step?

The Lincoln Project^WP needs fresh blood.

Mike! · 28th June 2022, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

The plate throwing incident seems to be what the comedians are going to town on .

Pity SNL is on summer break. A cold open and Weekend Update would have a Field Day with this stuff.

varwoche · 28th June 2022, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

It's not a "conspiracy". I'm asking how this came about, this sudden uplanned action by the committee, and it has nothing to do with Trump. Obviously.

They were supposedly done with hearings until sometime in July, right? Was this woman reluctant to testify before, and if so, why?

It might be due to her attorney switch.

The Great Zaganza · 28th June 2022, 09:04 PM

this testimony might reinvigorate a lot of MAGA who lost faith in Trump.

Skeptic Ginger · 28th June 2022, 09:36 PM

Colbert had a great closing to his monologue tonight. After playing a clip of Gen Flynn taking the Fifth over and over to questioning by Liz Cheney, culminating with Flynn taking the Fifth to Cheney asking, "General Flynn do you believe in the peaceful transition of power in the United State of America?" Colbert does a jaw drop then starts singing a rendition of the Star Spangled Fifth, complete with his audience joining in and rising to their feet, hands over their hearts.

Here's a link to the whole monologue with Cheney's last question followed by the Anthem starting ~11:55:

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smartcooky · 28th June 2022, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Why did they bring this woman in unexpectedly, like a "surprise witness" on the Perry Mason show? Was there some timing issue or something? For dramatic effect? Or newly discovered info (seems odd for this to suddenly come to light)?

If you bothered doing something called "research" before you knee-jerked off another post in which you question the motives of those testifying against your Dear Leader, you would have known that Ms Hutchinson changed her legal representation earlier in this month. This fact is why I predicted her as one of two possible candidates to be the surprise witness (see post 2957)

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...rings-00038439

Cassidy Hutchinson — a top aide to former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows during the Trump era — has parted ways with her lawyer and brought on new representation. Her new lawyer, Jody Hunt of Alston Bird, confirmed the move to POLITICO.

"The change in counsel signals an increased willingness from Hutchinson to cooperate fully with the Jan. 6 select committee’s probe, according to a person familiar with her thinking. The panel has signalled that it views her as a key witness.

Hutchinson’s former attorney, Stefan Passantino, has deep Trump World connections. Her new lawyer, Jody Hunt, is a long-time close ally of Jeff Sessions and served as his chief of staff when the former attorney general enraged Trump by recusing from the Russia probe

She has switched from a Trump sycophant lawyer to an honest lawyer. I would bet dollars to donuts that Passantino was strongly advising her not to testify, and that Hunt is now giving her different advice.

The Great Zaganza · 28th June 2022, 10:06 PM

it's a good idea to have lawyer who actually represents you, instead of someone who would like you to cover for them.

arayder · 28th June 2022, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

But The FPDJT wasn't worried -- he "hardly knew her". (His first reaction Tweet - or whatever they're called on his system.)

She worked just steps from the Oval Office.

Trump did his usual number of pretending he's the clear because he hardly knew Hutchinson. . .which is like a criminal saying he had to have known the person who I.D.ed him for the testimony to count.

Then he launched into his usual dismissive story of how Hutchinson is really just a ex-staffer with a chip on her shoulder because she wasn't allowed to join the Trump team in Mar-a-logo.

So he says he didn't know her but claims he had knowledge of her and her alleged poor work. And he knows she was sore about being left behind .

Which is it Donny?

Skeptic Ginger · 28th June 2022, 10:29 PM

Hardly knew her even though she had an office pretty close to the POTUS hangouts and was directly under Meadows, Drumpf's chief of staff.

Sorry Baby Drumpf, you used that one much too often, you wore it out.

Bob001 · 28th June 2022, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Hardly knew her even though she had an office pretty close to the POTUS hangouts and was directly under Meadows, Drumpf's chief of staff.

Sorry Baby Drumpf, you used that one much too often, you wore it out.

She apparently accompanied Meadows at the highest-level meetings to take notes, and she gave orders in his name. If Trump didn't know her, he was blind and deaf.

Quote:

Brendan Buck, a former aide to House speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), said in an interview that Hutchinson “was always by his side … when there were meetings you’d expect to be principal level or very small senior staff level, he would always insist she was in the room.” Buck said she was usually a quiet presence. “She was largely there to take notes,” Buck said. “It’s just unusual to have a relatively junior aide to either be in principal level or senior staff level, but it was his call, so we deferred to him.”

She was viewed throughout the White House as speaking for Meadows when she gave other staff members orders, and regularly said “Mark wants” or “the chief says” — the chief being Meadows.

A former White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions, said that Hutchinson traveled constantly with Meadows, going on Air Force One, answering his calls, and getting texts from members of Congress. Key members of the White House staff who wanted to get a message to Trump or Meadows often went through her.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...osive-witness/

Cain · 28th June 2022, 11:44 PM

Jane Mayer tweets: Thinking today about the unusual $1m that Trump’s PAC gave to Mark Meadows’ nonprofit, The Conservative Partnership Institute. What motivated that whopping gift?

Jane, you ignorant slut. It's called generosity.

smartcooky · 29th June 2022, 12:08 AM

Brett Baer on Faux News last night
Listen, this testimony is first of all stunning, because we haven't heard this. Two, it's compelling because of her proximity to power all of these people directly having conversations with her. I think as we have seen before, it's methodical. We always point out the caveat there's not a minority here that's pushing back or questioning the other way, but it leads up to January 6 the concern that it might "get real real bad" in the days before. The concern that the proud boys and oath keepers were going to be there, the concern that there would be weapons on the mall, and then radio transmissions that they saw weapons - AR-15s and others, and then the testimony that the president was really concerned about the crowd, that they weren't allowed in through the magnetometers. He wanted the crowd to be bigger, more robust and she quotes him as saying (and she was there in that back room behind the stage) "I don't effing care that they have weapons, they're not here to hurt me. Take the effing mags away let my people in they can march to the capital from here. Let the people in - take the effing mags away".

Listen. All of this is first hand so it's from her listening to it. That's why it's so compelling and that's perhaps why we have this hearing that popped out of nowhere

I think what you pointed to Sandra [Smith] was the most compelling when she quotes Mark Meadows saying "Pat you heard the president, he doesn't care. He thinks Mike deserves it, he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong" as far as they're literally literally calling for the vice president to be hung, and then Pat Cipolone says this is effing crazy according to Hutchinson.

This testimony was very compelling from beginning to end. She obviously had access to all of the players. We are now hearing from the former president on various posts where he questions her accuracy he goes after her directly says he doesn't know who she is and said he didn't lunge at the secret service agent in the beast, that didn't happen he says he didn't throw his lunch against the wall that didn't happen, and that she's lying.

Cassie Hutchinson is under oath on Capitol Hill, the president is on Truth Social making his statements What was so compelling, I think, is how it was laid out. We always point out that there's not a push back and it would have been great to hear Jim Jordan or some congressman say some other angle to this, but the testimony in and of itself is really, really powerful.

Even Faux News is having trouble handwaving all this away!

Ladewig · 29th June 2022, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

James Buchanan says hi.
Trump might be neck in neck with Buchana, but as far as damage goes, nothing Bush 2 did approached what Buchanan caused.
I am still annoyned the otherwise intelligent people seem so ignorant of history.

And so contemptuous of people who have spent years studying it.

llwyd · 29th June 2022, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

And so contemptuous of people who have spent years studying it.

Off-topic but you really notice that this is a forum dominated by people with natural science and engineering backgrounds when it comes to understanding the academic study of history - or history itself. Sometimes it seems that otherwise well educated and intelligent people have no idea...

Craig4 · 29th June 2022, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Why did they bring this woman in unexpectedly, like a "surprise witness" on the Perry Mason show? Was there some timing issue or something? For dramatic effect? Or newly discovered info (seems odd for this to suddenly come to light)?

It's okay because it hurt Trump. It would be unpatriotic for any American who is able to have it in their capacity to damage Trump and the scum who support him and not do it. If the Americans had leaked or previewed the testimony it wouldn't have had as big of an impact on the enemy as it did. Trump and its supporters are a clear and present danger to the nation and a domestic enemy of the Constitution. Americans should seek to inflict maximum damage where and when possible. If holding a damaging witness in secret and releasing her information when it would be most impactful hurts Trump more, than it was right for them to have done it.

Susheel · 29th June 2022, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

It's okay because it hurt Trump.... If holding a damaging witness in secret and releasing her information when it would be most impactful hurts Trump more, than it was right for them to have done it.

Captain_Swoop · 29th June 2022, 01:51 AM

Peter Alexander Chief White House Correspondent for NBC tweeted

Quote:

@PeterAlexander
A source close to the Secret Service tells me both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel.

Captain_Swoop · 29th June 2022, 01:52 AM

House Judiciary GOP Retweeted

Quote:

House Republicans @HouseGOP

MUST WATCH
Even CNN's Jake Tapper and Rep. Jamie Raskin (who sits on Lame Duck Speaker Pelosi's illegitimate witch-hunt) are forced to admit that Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony is just "hearsay."

The Great Zaganza · 29th June 2022, 02:13 AM

Some but not all is.

Susheel · 29th June 2022, 02:28 AM

I don't think Trump would have lunged for anything. I doubt he is even aware of how a car works, having been driven around for most of his life. Is there an pic of him behind thee wheel of anything other than a golf cart?

Hevneren · 29th June 2022, 02:54 AM

Yes, I'm afraid so.

sarge · 29th June 2022, 08:46 AM

Thread continued here http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=359948

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28th June 2022, 06:33 PM	#3041
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28th June 2022, 06:43 PM	#3042
eerok Quixoticist Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ON Canada Posts: 5,146	Originally Posted by dudalb I cannot think of anything more disgustng then using Ketchup on a really good steak. Once a steak is well-done, there's no hope for it anyway.
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28th June 2022, 07:05 PM	#3043
zorro99 Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,217	“They’re not here to hurt me.” Those are the words of a lying, stinking coward. Trump behaves like a petty third-world dictator.
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28th June 2022, 07:11 PM	#3044
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28th June 2022, 07:14 PM	#3045
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 15,117	The lurid (but ultimately unimportant) details sound too good to be true. Ketchup dribbling down the wall, reached for a steering wheel, attempted to throttle an agent with his tiny hands. Did he also pay Russian prostitutes to pee on a bed? The indictment against Trump is that it's all believable. If Trump is playing 3-D chess, he should've had some payoff to get this 25 year-old to perjure herself, which would then cast all of the J6 hearings into doubt.
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28th June 2022, 07:22 PM	#3046
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 56,022	Originally Posted by eerok Once a steak is well-done, there's no hope for it anyway. You know about how good restaurants take the inferior cuts of meat and put them aside for the customers who order "well done"? That was one of the dirty little secrets about restaurant kitchens that the late..and still missed...Anthony Bourdain told about in his first book.
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28th June 2022, 07:37 PM	#3047
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 15,638	Question: What are Cassidy Hutchinson's career prospects? She was 24 when this was happening around her, just 26 now. She worked for Trump and, before that, Scalise, because she supported right-wing Repub views. It's hard to believe that any Republican official or organization would hire her now, and places that might respect her intelligence and integrity wouldn't much like her politics, nor would she like their's. What's her next step? (I suspect grad school or law school, but she might not have the money or inclination.)
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28th June 2022, 07:56 PM	#3048
d4m10n Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Mounts Farm Posts: 9,216	Originally Posted by Bob001 Question: What are Cassidy Hutchinson's career prospects? She was 24 when this was happening around her, just 26 now. She worked for Trump and, before that, Scalise, because she supported right-wing Repub views. It's hard to believe that any Republican official or organization would hire her now, and places that might respect her intelligence and integrity wouldn't much like her politics, nor would she like their's. What's her next step? The Lincoln Project^WP needs fresh blood.
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28th June 2022, 08:09 PM	#3049
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28th June 2022, 08:48 PM	#3050
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 16,118	Originally Posted by Warp12 It's not a "conspiracy". I'm asking how this came about, this sudden uplanned action by the committee, and it has nothing to do with Trump. Obviously. They were supposedly done with hearings until sometime in July, right? Was this woman reluctant to testify before, and if so, why? It might be due to her attorney switch.
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28th June 2022, 09:04 PM	#3051
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,372	this testimony might reinvigorate a lot of MAGA who lost faith in Trump.
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28th June 2022, 09:59 PM	#3053
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 21,871	Originally Posted by Warp12 Why did they bring this woman in unexpectedly, like a "surprise witness" on the Perry Mason show? Was there some timing issue or something? For dramatic effect? Or newly discovered info (seems odd for this to suddenly come to light)? If you bothered doing something called "research" before you knee-jerked off another post in which you question the motives of those testifying against your Dear Leader, you would have known that Ms Hutchinson changed her legal representation earlier in this month. This fact is why I predicted her as one of two possible candidates to be the surprise witness (see post 2957) https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...rings-00038439 Cassidy Hutchinson — a top aide to former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows during the Trump era — has parted ways with her lawyer and brought on new representation. Her new lawyer, Jody Hunt of Alston Bird, confirmed the move to POLITICO. "The change in counsel signals an increased willingness from Hutchinson to cooperate fully with the Jan. 6 select committee’s probe, according to a person familiar with her thinking. The panel has signalled that it views her as a key witness. Hutchinson’s former attorney, Stefan Passantino, has deep Trump World connections. Her new lawyer, Jody Hunt, is a long-time close ally of Jeff Sessions and served as his chief of staff when the former attorney general enraged Trump by recusing from the Russia probe She has switched from a Trump sycophant lawyer to an honest lawyer. I would bet dollars to donuts that Passantino was strongly advising her not to testify, and that Hunt is now giving her different advice.
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28th June 2022, 10:06 PM	#3054
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28th June 2022, 10:12 PM	#3055
arayder Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,537	Originally Posted by alfaniner But The FPDJT wasn't worried -- he "hardly knew her". (His first reaction Tweet - or whatever they're called on his system.) She worked just steps from the Oval Office. Trump did his usual number of pretending he's the clear because he hardly knew Hutchinson. . .which is like a criminal saying he had to have known the person who I.D.ed him for the testimony to count. Then he launched into his usual dismissive story of how Hutchinson is really just a ex-staffer with a chip on her shoulder because she wasn't allowed to join the Trump team in Mar-a-logo. So he says he didn't know her but claims he had knowledge of her and her alleged poor work. And he knows she was sore about being left behind . Which is it Donny?
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28th June 2022, 10:29 PM	#3056
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 92,453	Hardly knew her even though she had an office pretty close to the POTUS hangouts and was directly under Meadows, Drumpf's chief of staff. Sorry Baby Drumpf, you used that one much too often, you wore it out.

28th June 2022, 10:59 PM	#3057
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 15,638	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Hardly knew her even though she had an office pretty close to the POTUS hangouts and was directly under Meadows, Drumpf's chief of staff. Sorry Baby Drumpf, you used that one much too often, you wore it out. She apparently accompanied Meadows at the highest-level meetings to take notes, and she gave orders in his name. If Trump didn't know her, he was blind and deaf. Quote: Brendan Buck, a former aide to House speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), said in an interview that Hutchinson “was always by his side … when there were meetings you’d expect to be principal level or very small senior staff level, he would always insist she was in the room.” Buck said she was usually a quiet presence. “She was largely there to take notes,” Buck said. “It’s just unusual to have a relatively junior aide to either be in principal level or senior staff level, but it was his call, so we deferred to him.” She was viewed throughout the White House as speaking for Meadows when she gave other staff members orders, and regularly said “Mark wants” or “the chief says” — the chief being Meadows. A former White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions, said that Hutchinson traveled constantly with Meadows, going on Air Force One, answering his calls, and getting texts from members of Congress. Key members of the White House staff who wanted to get a message to Trump or Meadows often went through her. https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...osive-witness/
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28th June 2022, 11:44 PM	#3058
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 15,117	Jane Mayer tweets: Thinking today about the unusual $1m that Trump’s PAC gave to Mark Meadows’ nonprofit, The Conservative Partnership Institute. What motivated that whopping gift? Jane, you ignorant slut. It's called generosity.
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29th June 2022, 12:08 AM	#3059
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 21,871	Brett Baer on Faux News last night Listen, this testimony is first of all stunning, because we haven't heard this. Two, it's compelling because of her proximity to power all of these people directly having conversations with her. I think as we have seen before, it's methodical. We always point out the caveat there's not a minority here that's pushing back or questioning the other way, but it leads up to January 6 the concern that it might "get real real bad" in the days before. The concern that the proud boys and oath keepers were going to be there, the concern that there would be weapons on the mall, and then radio transmissions that they saw weapons - AR-15s and others, and then the testimony that the president was really concerned about the crowd, that they weren't allowed in through the magnetometers. He wanted the crowd to be bigger, more robust and she quotes him as saying (and she was there in that back room behind the stage) "I don't effing care that they have weapons, they're not here to hurt me. Take the effing mags away let my people in they can march to the capital from here. Let the people in - take the effing mags away". Listen. All of this is first hand so it's from her listening to it. That's why it's so compelling and that's perhaps why we have this hearing that popped out of nowhere I think what you pointed to Sandra [Smith] was the most compelling when she quotes Mark Meadows saying "Pat you heard the president, he doesn't care. He thinks Mike deserves it, he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong" as far as they're literally literally calling for the vice president to be hung, and then Pat Cipolone says this is effing crazy according to Hutchinson. This testimony was very compelling from beginning to end. She obviously had access to all of the players. We are now hearing from the former president on various posts where he questions her accuracy he goes after her directly says he doesn't know who she is and said he didn't lunge at the secret service agent in the beast, that didn't happen he says he didn't throw his lunch against the wall that didn't happen, and that she's lying. Cassie Hutchinson is under oath on Capitol Hill, the president is on Truth Social making his statements What was so compelling, I think, is how it was laid out. We always point out that there's not a push back and it would have been great to hear Jim Jordan or some congressman say some other angle to this, but the testimony in and of itself is really, really powerful. Even Faux News is having trouble handwaving all this away!
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29th June 2022, 12:49 AM	#3060
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,530	Originally Posted by dudalb James Buchanan says hi. Trump might be neck in neck with Buchana, but as far as damage goes, nothing Bush 2 did approached what Buchanan caused. I am still annoyned the otherwise intelligent people seem so ignorant of history. And so contemptuous of people who have spent years studying it.
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29th June 2022, 01:03 AM	#3061
llwyd Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Helsinki Posts: 1,133	Originally Posted by Ladewig And so contemptuous of people who have spent years studying it. Off-topic but you really notice that this is a forum dominated by people with natural science and engineering backgrounds when it comes to understanding the academic study of history - or history itself. Sometimes it seems that otherwise well educated and intelligent people have no idea...

29th June 2022, 01:30 AM	#3062
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 25,719	Originally Posted by Warp12 Why did they bring this woman in unexpectedly, like a "surprise witness" on the Perry Mason show? Was there some timing issue or something? For dramatic effect? Or newly discovered info (seems odd for this to suddenly come to light)? It's okay because it hurt Trump. It would be unpatriotic for any American who is able to have it in their capacity to damage Trump and the scum who support him and not do it. If the Americans had leaked or previewed the testimony it wouldn't have had as big of an impact on the enemy as it did. Trump and its supporters are a clear and present danger to the nation and a domestic enemy of the Constitution. Americans should seek to inflict maximum damage where and when possible. If holding a damaging witness in secret and releasing her information when it would be most impactful hurts Trump more, than it was right for them to have done it.
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29th June 2022, 01:33 AM	#3063
Susheel Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 2,765	Originally Posted by Craig4 It's okay because it hurt Trump.... If holding a damaging witness in secret and releasing her information when it would be most impactful hurts Trump more, than it was right for them to have done it.
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29th June 2022, 01:51 AM	#3064
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 43,373	Peter Alexander Chief White House Correspondent for NBC tweeted Quote: @PeterAlexander A source close to the Secret Service tells me both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel.

29th June 2022, 01:52 AM	#3065
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 43,373	House Judiciary GOP Retweeted Quote: House Republicans @HouseGOP MUST WATCH Even CNN's Jake Tapper and Rep. Jamie Raskin (who sits on Lame Duck Speaker Pelosi's illegitimate witch-hunt) are forced to admit that Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony is just "hearsay."

29th June 2022, 02:13 AM	#3066
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,372	Some but not all is.
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29th June 2022, 02:28 AM	#3067
Susheel Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 2,765	I don't think Trump would have lunged for anything. I doubt he is even aware of how a car works, having been driven around for most of his life. Is there an pic of him behind thee wheel of anything other than a golf cart?
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29th June 2022, 02:54 AM	#3068
Hevneren Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 355	Yes, I'm afraid so.
Hevneren Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 355