[Continuation] Today's Mass Shooting (2) - Page 50

dann · 5th July 2022, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

An unknown number of people have been killed and wounded by a man with a rifle at Field's shopping center in Copenhagen

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919

Yes, three killed, four more in a critical condition. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919
But no longer reason to fear for their lives: https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/seneste/al...-uden-livsfare
The shooter is well-known by the psychiatric system: https://politiken.dk/indland/art8866...-i-psykiatrien

Foster Zygote · 5th July 2022, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Venom

I'm starting to think less and less about gun control and more about the whole culture of violence with a good fifth to sixth of the country stuck on 1776 mode and a majority still supporting the death penalty.

It seems to be supported by a mythology of violence as well. Especially among conservatives, there's a mythos about "how the West was won" that romanticizes the strong, masculine, steely-eyed "good guy with a gun" trope that so many Americans who support open carry imagine themselves to be. Never mind that the popular conception of westward expansion is utter ********, fabricated largely by Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. The vast majority of towns in the western territories would not allow people to walk around armed.

I know that many other countries have their share of violent fiction, but it seems to me that it's regarded as fantasy fiction more than history.

ZiprHead · 5th July 2022, 08:42 AM

https://imgur.com/gallery/8twxn2I

He was/is a MAGAt.

Dr.Sid · 5th July 2022, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by dann

Really? Nothing at all?!

I think the focus here was on "clear".

Athyrio · 5th July 2022, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

https://imgur.com/gallery/8twxn2I

He was/is a MAGAt.

Every time I see that face, I see Guy Fawkes.

bruto · 5th July 2022, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Athyrio

Every time I see that face, I see Guy Fawkes.

Guy Fawkes cosplaying Waldo.

Thermal · 5th July 2022, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by bruto

Guy Fawkes cosplaying Waldo.

So glad it wasn't just me that saw that.

Checkmite · 5th July 2022, 11:25 AM

According to the news, police have indicated that the suspect wore women's clothing and a wig as a disguise during the event. The wig possibly resulted in initial descriptions of a subject with "long black hair". After the shooting, he discarded the rifle and possibly the disguise(?), blending in with the crowd fleeing the scene. From there he walked to his mother's house which was close by and "borrowed" her car. Police used the word "borrowed" but did not elaborate. My impression from the language used was that he did not live at his mother's house.

Police have said they have found reason to believe the attack had been "planned for weeks". The rifle used in the shooting was legally purchased and owned. Police found a second rifle in the car when he was arrested.

ponderingturtle · 5th July 2022, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

Shooting at the police isn't going to save democracy, really.

Hence the need for IED's.

Steve · 5th July 2022, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

I'm starting to think less and less about gun control and more about the whole culture of violence with a good fifth to sixth of the country stuck on 1776 mode and a majority still supporting the death penalty.

As for rampage type shootings, as mentioned a lot here already, rampage killings big picture have been on the rise the last few decades possibly as social contagion. The mass media of recent times has made it easier to embolden this kind of killer. And within the phenomenon there are examples of white-identity extremist elements that we may start to see more of as well.

Gun violence is just one, rather destructive, manifestation of the predominantly violent society that is prevalent in the USA. Not hatred, dudalb, but definitely pity.

The Atheist · 5th July 2022, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

https://imgur.com/gallery/8twxn2I

He was/is a MAGAt.

Screams incel as well.

ZiprHead · 5th July 2022, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

According to the news, police have indicated that the suspect wore women's clothing and a wig as a disguise during the event. The wig possibly resulted in initial descriptions of a subject with "long black hair". After the shooting, he discarded the rifle and possibly the disguise(?), blending in with the crowd fleeing the scene. From there he walked to his mother's house which was close by and "borrowed" her car. Police used the word "borrowed" but did not elaborate. My impression from the language used was that he did not live at his mother's house.

Police have said they have found reason to believe the attack had been "planned for weeks". The rifle used in the shooting was legally purchased and owned. Police found a second rifle in the car when he was arrested.

He lived with his uncle.

William Parcher · 5th July 2022, 03:17 PM

Now 7 are dead from this shooting.

Skeptic Ginger · 5th July 2022, 03:38 PM

He left his gun at the scene that he had bought. Why bother with all the disguise stuff and supposed weeks of planning and then practically leave your name at the scene?

******* idiot.

Dr.Sid · 5th July 2022, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

He left his gun at the scene that he had bought. Why bother with all the disguise stuff and supposed weeks of planning and then practically leave your name at the scene?

******* idiot.

It's almost like people doing this are not entirely mentally OK, right ?

trustbutverify · 5th July 2022, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

https://imgur.com/gallery/8twxn2I

He was/is a MAGAt.

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Screams incel as well.

The correlation is strong enough for an assumption.

Thermal · 5th July 2022, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Dr.Sid

It's almost like people doing this are not entirely mentally OK, right ?

True, but a proper sociopath can run basic logistics.

Cain · 5th July 2022, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Dr.Sid

It's almost like people doing this are not entirely mentally OK, right ?

Credit where credit is due, he managed to escape the scene with a ruse. That's not luck, it's planning. Regardless of one's effort or skill, I think capture (or death) is an inevitability for these types of very public crimes.

Checkmite · 5th July 2022, 04:41 PM

Failure to account for something isn't a sign of mental deficiency. He may have positively believed the gun was untraceable, which might mean he was simply mistaken rather than somehow mentally compromised.

There's also the possibility that he originally planned to take the rifle with him and was forced to make a decision on the spot to leave it for some reason, needing to prioritize escaping the scene over not leaving any evidence behind.

alfaniner · 5th July 2022, 04:43 PM

I'm expecting the TrumperTuckers to claim he was insane because he was a transvestite. (He used a female clothing disguise and wig to escape the rooftop and blend in with the running crowd.)

Venom · 5th July 2022, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Screams incel as well.

I almost think this is more relevant than his alt-right sympathies.

This profile was very popular among rampagers before rampage shootings became politicized. Probably not surprising that these losers hang out online.

ZiprHead · 5th July 2022, 06:20 PM

Seven charges of first degree murder. I expect more charges to come.

alfaniner · 5th July 2022, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

Seven charges of first degree murder. I expect more charges to come.

They did say that more charges were imminent. But I don't know how you can get more than the mandatory Life In Prison unless they had that other option.

Puppycow · 5th July 2022, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

The rifle used in the shooting was legally purchased and owned.

This is the most important fact in this story.

His political sympathies and motives are secondary. I don't care if he was a leftist or a rightist, or a nihilist or a notoriety-seeker. There will always be angry men with a grudge against society and a desire to commit mass murder. If they want to commit mass murder, and can legally purchase deadly firearms, there is very little that can be done to prevent that.

trustbutverify · 5th July 2022, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

I'm expecting the TrumperTuckers to claim he was insane because he was a transvestite. (He used a female clothing disguise and wig to escape the rooftop and blend in with the running crowd.)

Greendouche might give that one a spin.

jimbob · 5th July 2022, 10:50 PM

I see reports he had domestic violence "links" but nothing specific that I can see.

But again he shouldn't have had a gun

dann · 5th July 2022, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

According to the news, police have indicated that the suspect wore women's clothing and a wig as a disguise during the event.

Did he remember to shave?
He could have avoided having to do so if he had donned niqāb instead, and Tucker Carlson and his ilk could then have claimed that he was a Muslim transvestite.

arthwollipot · 5th July 2022, 11:19 PM

If this guy was a transvestite, then every kid at Halloween is a superhero.

eerok · 6th July 2022, 08:02 AM

I suspect that Crimo has no specific political allegiances. The pix of him that seek to prove that he's a Trump follower and the pix of him that seek to prove that he's Antifa all reek of cosplay. Perhaps he loved the drama and simmering violence of any and all extreme political positions.

The two things I think are responsible for his attack are untreated mental illness and the availability of guns.

The Great Zaganza · 6th July 2022, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

I'm expecting the TrumperTuckers to claim he was insane because he was a transvestite. (He used a female clothing disguise and wig to escape the rooftop and blend in with the running crowd.)

alex jones did exactly that, and claimed it proves that he is part of the NWO.

Checkmite · 6th July 2022, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by eerok

I suspect that Crimo has no specific political allegiances. The pix of him that seek to prove that he's a Trump follower and the pix of him that seek to prove that he's Antifa all reek of cosplay. Perhaps he loved the drama and simmering violence of any and all extreme political positions.

A possibility often overlooked or ignored.

dudalb · 6th July 2022, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Steve

Gun violence is just one, rather destructive, manifestation of the predominantly violent society that is prevalent in the USA. Not hatred, dudalb, but definitely pity.

Sorry but I have noted hate and contempt for the US seems to be eteranl on the Canadian Left.

dudalb · 6th July 2022, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by eerok

I suspect that Crimo has no specific political allegiances. The pix of him that seek to prove that he's a Trump follower and the pix of him that seek to prove that he's Antifa all reek of cosplay. Perhaps he loved the drama and simmering violence of any and all extreme political positions.

The two things I think are responsible for his attack are untreated mental illness and the availability of guns.

Yeah, Crimo appears to be a non political homicidal Maniac.

bruto · 6th July 2022, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

I see reports he had domestic violence "links" but nothing specific that I can see.

But again he shouldn't have had a gun

I heard on the news today that, among other things, his father had signed off on a gun purchase before he became of age, and that the police had been called to his home at least once when he threatened to kill himself and, and, it seems, everyone else. No links at the moment, but I suspect more will turn up.

Checkmite · 6th July 2022, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

I heard on the news today that, among other things, his father had signed off on a gun purchase before he became of age, and that the police had been called to his home at least once when he threatened to kill himself and, and, it seems, everyone else.

I saw similar televised reports, including the detail that his father sponsored him for the gun license only two months after the incident in which he threatened to kill the family. Police reportedly removed several knives and other bladed weapons from his room when responding to that incident, but the family ultimately never pressed for charges, so none were filed and the incident did not appear in any of his background checks during the gun application process.

It may be that we're dealing with an Ethan Crumbley type scenario in which the shooter's family contends there were "no warning signs" because they apparently do not believe in warning signs.

Stacyhs · 6th July 2022, 06:56 PM

This country is mired butt deep in a gun culture. The adulation of guns and the moronic belief that gun ownership is somehow "freedom" is just sick. Until that ends, the mass shootings and tens of thousands of gun-related deaths will continue. But I have little hope of that. People are stupid.

Graham2001 · 6th July 2022, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Screams incel as well.

Conspiracy types are taking a different tack of course. One comment to the blog post linked below, whose creator tries to argue the shooter was apolitical, states that the rose tatoos are "...a common antifa tattoo ..."

Another claims that "...the FBI activated another drone...", or to put it simply the shooter is yet another product of 'MK-Ultra/Treadstone' mass shooter factory.

The rest of the commentary is not much better.

https://up-ship.com/blog/?p=49886

alfaniner · 6th July 2022, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by Athyrio

Every time I see that face, I see Guy Fawkes.

Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

But my first impression was "Emo Philips".

a_unique_person · 6th July 2022, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

This country is mired butt deep in a gun culture. The adulation of guns and the moronic belief that gun ownership is somehow "freedom" is just sick. Until that ends, the mass shootings and tens of thousands of gun-related deaths will continue. But I have little hope of that. People are stupid.

Hollywood doesn't help. They glorify the gun.

jimbob · 6th July 2022, 11:45 PM

From https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...b2116568.html:

Quote:

Robert Crimo, the 21-year-old man charged with killing seven in the July 4 mass shooting in Highland Park, threatened to “kill everyone” in his home with a “collection of knives” three years before he allegedly went on his shooting rampage.

Officials revealed in a press conference on Tuesday afternoon that law enforcement were called to his home for two incidents involving the suspect in 2019 – but he was still able to legally purchase five firearms.

On the second time – in September 2019 – police were called to a report from a family member that Mr Crimo had vowed to “kill” the people inside the home and that he had a trove of knives.

Officers responded to the scene and found Mr Crimo had 16 knives, a dagger and a sword.

The knives were confiscated but officers did not arrest the suspect because no complaint was made by the alleged victims.

Lethally ridiculous

5th July 2022, 06:40 AM	#1961
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 16,694	Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller An unknown number of people have been killed and wounded by a man with a rifle at Field's shopping center in Copenhagen https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919 Yes, three killed, four more in a critical condition. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919 But no longer reason to fear for their lives: https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/seneste/al...-uden-livsfare The shooter is well-known by the psychiatric system: https://politiken.dk/indland/art8866...-i-psykiatrien
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5th July 2022, 08:33 AM	#1962
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,899	Originally Posted by Venom I'm starting to think less and less about gun control and more about the whole culture of violence with a good fifth to sixth of the country stuck on 1776 mode and a majority still supporting the death penalty. It seems to be supported by a mythology of violence as well. Especially among conservatives, there's a mythos about "how the West was won" that romanticizes the strong, masculine, steely-eyed "good guy with a gun" trope that so many Americans who support open carry imagine themselves to be. Never mind that the popular conception of westward expansion is utter ********, fabricated largely by Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. The vast majority of towns in the western territories would not allow people to walk around armed. I know that many other countries have their share of violent fiction, but it seems to me that it's regarded as fantasy fiction more than history.
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5th July 2022, 08:42 AM	#1963
ZiprHead Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sag-Nasty Posts: 713	https://imgur.com/gallery/8twxn2I He was/is a MAGAt.
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5th July 2022, 10:35 AM	#1965
Athyrio Hipster Doofus Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nutsack, FL Posts: 2,389	Originally Posted by ZiprHead https://imgur.com/gallery/8twxn2I He was/is a MAGAt. Every time I see that face, I see Guy Fawkes.
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5th July 2022, 10:58 AM	#1966
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 32,811	Originally Posted by Athyrio Every time I see that face, I see Guy Fawkes. Guy Fawkes cosplaying Waldo.
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5th July 2022, 10:04 AM	#1964
Dr.Sid Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Olomouc, Czech Republic Posts: 3,827	Originally Posted by dann Really? Nothing at all?! I think the focus here was on "clear".

5th July 2022, 11:03 AM	#1967
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA (in the Troll Ignoring Section) Posts: 19,569	Originally Posted by bruto Guy Fawkes cosplaying Waldo. So glad it wasn't just me that saw that.
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5th July 2022, 11:25 AM	#1968
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 27,726	According to the news, police have indicated that the suspect wore women's clothing and a wig as a disguise during the event. The wig possibly resulted in initial descriptions of a subject with "long black hair". After the shooting, he discarded the rifle and possibly the disguise(?), blending in with the crowd fleeing the scene. From there he walked to his mother's house which was close by and "borrowed" her car. Police used the word "borrowed" but did not elaborate. My impression from the language used was that he did not live at his mother's house. Police have said they have found reason to believe the attack had been "planned for weeks". The rifle used in the shooting was legally purchased and owned. Police found a second rifle in the car when he was arrested.
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5th July 2022, 12:01 PM	#1969
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 52,774	Originally Posted by Checkmite Shooting at the police isn't going to save democracy, really. Hence the need for IED's.
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5th July 2022, 12:53 PM	#1970
Steve Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 11,432	Originally Posted by Venom I'm starting to think less and less about gun control and more about the whole culture of violence with a good fifth to sixth of the country stuck on 1776 mode and a majority still supporting the death penalty. As for rampage type shootings, as mentioned a lot here already, rampage killings big picture have been on the rise the last few decades possibly as social contagion. The mass media of recent times has made it easier to embolden this kind of killer. And within the phenomenon there are examples of white-identity extremist elements that we may start to see more of as well. Gun violence is just one, rather destructive, manifestation of the predominantly violent society that is prevalent in the USA. Not hatred, dudalb, but definitely pity.
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5th July 2022, 02:02 PM	#1971
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 32,070	Originally Posted by ZiprHead https://imgur.com/gallery/8twxn2I He was/is a MAGAt. Screams incel as well.
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5th July 2022, 02:32 PM	#1972
ZiprHead Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sag-Nasty Posts: 713	Originally Posted by Checkmite According to the news, police have indicated that the suspect wore women's clothing and a wig as a disguise during the event. The wig possibly resulted in initial descriptions of a subject with "long black hair". After the shooting, he discarded the rifle and possibly the disguise(?), blending in with the crowd fleeing the scene. From there he walked to his mother's house which was close by and "borrowed" her car. Police used the word "borrowed" but did not elaborate. My impression from the language used was that he did not live at his mother's house. Police have said they have found reason to believe the attack had been "planned for weeks". The rifle used in the shooting was legally purchased and owned. Police found a second rifle in the car when he was arrested. He lived with his uncle.
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5th July 2022, 03:17 PM	#1973
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5th July 2022, 03:38 PM	#1974
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 92,453	He left his gun at the scene that he had bought. Why bother with all the disguise stuff and supposed weeks of planning and then practically leave your name at the scene? ******* idiot.

5th July 2022, 04:02 PM	#1975
Dr.Sid Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Olomouc, Czech Republic Posts: 3,827	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger He left his gun at the scene that he had bought. Why bother with all the disguise stuff and supposed weeks of planning and then practically leave your name at the scene? ******* idiot. It's almost like people doing this are not entirely mentally OK, right ?

5th July 2022, 04:04 PM	#1976
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9,694	Originally Posted by ZiprHead https://imgur.com/gallery/8twxn2I He was/is a MAGAt. Originally Posted by The Atheist Screams incel as well. The correlation is strong enough for an assumption.
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5th July 2022, 04:16 PM	#1977
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA (in the Troll Ignoring Section) Posts: 19,569	Originally Posted by Dr.Sid It's almost like people doing this are not entirely mentally OK, right ? True, but a proper sociopath can run basic logistics.
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5th July 2022, 04:26 PM	#1978
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 15,117	Originally Posted by Dr.Sid It's almost like people doing this are not entirely mentally OK, right ? Credit where credit is due, he managed to escape the scene with a ruse. That's not luck, it's planning. Regardless of one's effort or skill, I think capture (or death) is an inevitability for these types of very public crimes.
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5th July 2022, 04:41 PM	#1979
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 27,726	Failure to account for something isn't a sign of mental deficiency. He may have positively believed the gun was untraceable, which might mean he was simply mistaken rather than somehow mentally compromised. There's also the possibility that he originally planned to take the rifle with him and was forced to make a decision on the spot to leave it for some reason, needing to prioritize escaping the scene over not leaving any evidence behind.
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5th July 2022, 04:43 PM	#1980
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 26,872	I'm expecting the TrumperTuckers to claim he was insane because he was a transvestite. (He used a female clothing disguise and wig to escape the rooftop and blend in with the running crowd.)
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5th July 2022, 05:30 PM	#1981
Venom Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 5,920	Originally Posted by The Atheist Screams incel as well. I almost think this is more relevant than his alt-right sympathies. This profile was very popular among rampagers before rampage shootings became politicized. Probably not surprising that these losers hang out online.
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5th July 2022, 06:20 PM	#1982
ZiprHead Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sag-Nasty Posts: 713	Seven charges of first degree murder. I expect more charges to come.
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5th July 2022, 06:32 PM	#1983
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 26,872	Originally Posted by ZiprHead Seven charges of first degree murder. I expect more charges to come. They did say that more charges were imminent. But I don't know how you can get more than the mandatory Life In Prison unless they had that other option.
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5th July 2022, 06:49 PM	#1984
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 27,262	Originally Posted by Checkmite The rifle used in the shooting was legally purchased and owned. This is the most important fact in this story. His political sympathies and motives are secondary. I don't care if he was a leftist or a rightist, or a nihilist or a notoriety-seeker. There will always be angry men with a grudge against society and a desire to commit mass murder. If they want to commit mass murder, and can legally purchase deadly firearms, there is very little that can be done to prevent that.
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5th July 2022, 10:46 PM	#1985
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9,694	Originally Posted by alfaniner I'm expecting the TrumperTuckers to claim he was insane because he was a transvestite. (He used a female clothing disguise and wig to escape the rooftop and blend in with the running crowd.) Greendouche might give that one a spin.
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5th July 2022, 10:50 PM	#1986
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 26,788	I see reports he had domestic violence "links" but nothing specific that I can see. But again he shouldn't have had a gun
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5th July 2022, 10:58 PM	#1987
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 16,694	Originally Posted by Checkmite According to the news, police have indicated that the suspect wore women's clothing and a wig as a disguise during the event. Did he remember to shave? He could have avoided having to do so if he had donned niqāb instead, and Tucker Carlson and his ilk could then have claimed that he was a Muslim transvestite.
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5th July 2022, 11:19 PM	#1988
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 77,485	If this guy was a transvestite, then every kid at Halloween is a superhero.
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6th July 2022, 08:02 AM	#1989
eerok Quixoticist Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ON Canada Posts: 5,144	I suspect that Crimo has no specific political allegiances. The pix of him that seek to prove that he's a Trump follower and the pix of him that seek to prove that he's Antifa all reek of cosplay. Perhaps he loved the drama and simmering violence of any and all extreme political positions. The two things I think are responsible for his attack are untreated mental illness and the availability of guns.
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6th July 2022, 08:12 AM	#1990
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,372	Originally Posted by alfaniner I'm expecting the TrumperTuckers to claim he was insane because he was a transvestite. (He used a female clothing disguise and wig to escape the rooftop and blend in with the running crowd.) alex jones did exactly that, and claimed it proves that he is part of the NWO.
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6th July 2022, 09:47 AM	#1991
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 27,726	Originally Posted by eerok I suspect that Crimo has no specific political allegiances. The pix of him that seek to prove that he's a Trump follower and the pix of him that seek to prove that he's Antifa all reek of cosplay. Perhaps he loved the drama and simmering violence of any and all extreme political positions. A possibility often overlooked or ignored.
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6th July 2022, 02:03 PM	#1992
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 56,022	Originally Posted by Steve Gun violence is just one, rather destructive, manifestation of the predominantly violent society that is prevalent in the USA. Not hatred, dudalb, but definitely pity. Sorry but I have noted hate and contempt for the US seems to be eteranl on the Canadian Left.
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6th July 2022, 02:04 PM	#1993
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 56,022	Originally Posted by eerok I suspect that Crimo has no specific political allegiances. The pix of him that seek to prove that he's a Trump follower and the pix of him that seek to prove that he's Antifa all reek of cosplay. Perhaps he loved the drama and simmering violence of any and all extreme political positions. The two things I think are responsible for his attack are untreated mental illness and the availability of guns. Yeah, Crimo appears to be a non political homicidal Maniac.
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6th July 2022, 02:19 PM	#1994
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 32,811	Originally Posted by jimbob I see reports he had domestic violence "links" but nothing specific that I can see. But again he shouldn't have had a gun I heard on the news today that, among other things, his father had signed off on a gun purchase before he became of age, and that the police had been called to his home at least once when he threatened to kill himself and, and, it seems, everyone else. No links at the moment, but I suspect more will turn up.
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6th July 2022, 05:40 PM	#1995
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 27,726	Originally Posted by bruto I heard on the news today that, among other things, his father had signed off on a gun purchase before he became of age, and that the police had been called to his home at least once when he threatened to kill himself and, and, it seems, everyone else. I saw similar televised reports, including the detail that his father sponsored him for the gun license only two months after the incident in which he threatened to kill the family. Police reportedly removed several knives and other bladed weapons from his room when responding to that incident, but the family ultimately never pressed for charges, so none were filed and the incident did not appear in any of his background checks during the gun application process. It may be that we're dealing with an Ethan Crumbley type scenario in which the shooter's family contends there were "no warning signs" because they apparently do not believe in warning signs.
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