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Old 5th July 2022, 06:40 AM   #1961
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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller View Post
An unknown number of people have been killed and wounded by a man with a rifle at Field's shopping center in Copenhagen

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919

Yes, three killed, four more in a critical condition. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919
But no longer reason to fear for their lives: https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/seneste/al...-uden-livsfare
The shooter is well-known by the psychiatric system: https://politiken.dk/indland/art8866...-i-psykiatrien
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Old 5th July 2022, 08:33 AM   #1962
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I'm starting to think less and less about gun control and more about the whole culture of violence with a good fifth to sixth of the country stuck on 1776 mode and a majority still supporting the death penalty.
It seems to be supported by a mythology of violence as well. Especially among conservatives, there's a mythos about "how the West was won" that romanticizes the strong, masculine, steely-eyed "good guy with a gun" trope that so many Americans who support open carry imagine themselves to be. Never mind that the popular conception of westward expansion is utter ********, fabricated largely by Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. The vast majority of towns in the western territories would not allow people to walk around armed.

I know that many other countries have their share of violent fiction, but it seems to me that it's regarded as fantasy fiction more than history.
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He was/is a MAGAt.
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Old 5th July 2022, 10:04 AM   #1964
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Really? Nothing at all?!
I think the focus here was on "clear".
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Every time I see that face, I see Guy Fawkes.
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Originally Posted by Athyrio View Post
Every time I see that face, I see Guy Fawkes.
Guy Fawkes cosplaying Waldo.
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
Guy Fawkes cosplaying Waldo.
So glad it wasn't just me that saw that.
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Old 5th July 2022, 11:25 AM   #1968
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According to the news, police have indicated that the suspect wore women's clothing and a wig as a disguise during the event. The wig possibly resulted in initial descriptions of a subject with "long black hair". After the shooting, he discarded the rifle and possibly the disguise(?), blending in with the crowd fleeing the scene. From there he walked to his mother's house which was close by and "borrowed" her car. Police used the word "borrowed" but did not elaborate. My impression from the language used was that he did not live at his mother's house.

Police have said they have found reason to believe the attack had been "planned for weeks". The rifle used in the shooting was legally purchased and owned. Police found a second rifle in the car when he was arrested.
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Old 5th July 2022, 12:01 PM   #1969
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Shooting at the police isn't going to save democracy, really.
Hence the need for IED's.
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Old 5th July 2022, 12:53 PM   #1970
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I'm starting to think less and less about gun control and more about the whole culture of violence with a good fifth to sixth of the country stuck on 1776 mode and a majority still supporting the death penalty.

As for rampage type shootings, as mentioned a lot here already, rampage killings big picture have been on the rise the last few decades possibly as social contagion. The mass media of recent times has made it easier to embolden this kind of killer. And within the phenomenon there are examples of white-identity extremist elements that we may start to see more of as well.
Gun violence is just one, rather destructive, manifestation of the predominantly violent society that is prevalent in the USA. Not hatred, dudalb, but definitely pity.
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Screams incel as well.
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According to the news, police have indicated that the suspect wore women's clothing and a wig as a disguise during the event. The wig possibly resulted in initial descriptions of a subject with "long black hair". After the shooting, he discarded the rifle and possibly the disguise(?), blending in with the crowd fleeing the scene. From there he walked to his mother's house which was close by and "borrowed" her car. Police used the word "borrowed" but did not elaborate. My impression from the language used was that he did not live at his mother's house.

Police have said they have found reason to believe the attack had been "planned for weeks". The rifle used in the shooting was legally purchased and owned. Police found a second rifle in the car when he was arrested.
He lived with his uncle.
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Now 7 are dead from this shooting.
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He left his gun at the scene that he had bought. Why bother with all the disguise stuff and supposed weeks of planning and then practically leave your name at the scene?

******* idiot.
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Old 5th July 2022, 04:02 PM   #1975
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He left his gun at the scene that he had bought. Why bother with all the disguise stuff and supposed weeks of planning and then practically leave your name at the scene?

******* idiot.
It's almost like people doing this are not entirely mentally OK, right ?
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Screams incel as well.
The correlation is strong enough for an assumption.
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It's almost like people doing this are not entirely mentally OK, right ?
True, but a proper sociopath can run basic logistics.
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Old 5th July 2022, 04:26 PM   #1978
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It's almost like people doing this are not entirely mentally OK, right ?
Credit where credit is due, he managed to escape the scene with a ruse. That's not luck, it's planning. Regardless of one's effort or skill, I think capture (or death) is an inevitability for these types of very public crimes.
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Failure to account for something isn't a sign of mental deficiency. He may have positively believed the gun was untraceable, which might mean he was simply mistaken rather than somehow mentally compromised.

There's also the possibility that he originally planned to take the rifle with him and was forced to make a decision on the spot to leave it for some reason, needing to prioritize escaping the scene over not leaving any evidence behind.
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I'm expecting the TrumperTuckers to claim he was insane because he was a transvestite. (He used a female clothing disguise and wig to escape the rooftop and blend in with the running crowd.)
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Screams incel as well.
I almost think this is more relevant than his alt-right sympathies.

This profile was very popular among rampagers before rampage shootings became politicized. Probably not surprising that these losers hang out online.

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Seven charges of first degree murder. I expect more charges to come.
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Seven charges of first degree murder. I expect more charges to come.
They did say that more charges were imminent. But I don't know how you can get more than the mandatory Life In Prison unless they had that other option.
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The rifle used in the shooting was legally purchased and owned.
This is the most important fact in this story.

His political sympathies and motives are secondary. I don't care if he was a leftist or a rightist, or a nihilist or a notoriety-seeker. There will always be angry men with a grudge against society and a desire to commit mass murder. If they want to commit mass murder, and can legally purchase deadly firearms, there is very little that can be done to prevent that.
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I'm expecting the TrumperTuckers to claim he was insane because he was a transvestite. (He used a female clothing disguise and wig to escape the rooftop and blend in with the running crowd.)
Greendouche might give that one a spin.
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I see reports he had domestic violence "links" but nothing specific that I can see.

But again he shouldn't have had a gun
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According to the news, police have indicated that the suspect wore women's clothing and a wig as a disguise during the event.

Did he remember to shave?
He could have avoided having to do so if he had donned niqāb instead, and Tucker Carlson and his ilk could then have claimed that he was a Muslim transvestite.
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If this guy was a transvestite, then every kid at Halloween is a superhero.
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I suspect that Crimo has no specific political allegiances. The pix of him that seek to prove that he's a Trump follower and the pix of him that seek to prove that he's Antifa all reek of cosplay. Perhaps he loved the drama and simmering violence of any and all extreme political positions.

The two things I think are responsible for his attack are untreated mental illness and the availability of guns.
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I'm expecting the TrumperTuckers to claim he was insane because he was a transvestite. (He used a female clothing disguise and wig to escape the rooftop and blend in with the running crowd.)
alex jones did exactly that, and claimed it proves that he is part of the NWO.
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I suspect that Crimo has no specific political allegiances. The pix of him that seek to prove that he's a Trump follower and the pix of him that seek to prove that he's Antifa all reek of cosplay. Perhaps he loved the drama and simmering violence of any and all extreme political positions.
A possibility often overlooked or ignored.
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Gun violence is just one, rather destructive, manifestation of the predominantly violent society that is prevalent in the USA. Not hatred, dudalb, but definitely pity.
Sorry but I have noted hate and contempt for the US seems to be eteranl on the Canadian Left.
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I suspect that Crimo has no specific political allegiances. The pix of him that seek to prove that he's a Trump follower and the pix of him that seek to prove that he's Antifa all reek of cosplay. Perhaps he loved the drama and simmering violence of any and all extreme political positions.

The two things I think are responsible for his attack are untreated mental illness and the availability of guns.
Yeah, Crimo appears to be a non political homicidal Maniac.
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I see reports he had domestic violence "links" but nothing specific that I can see.

But again he shouldn't have had a gun
I heard on the news today that, among other things, his father had signed off on a gun purchase before he became of age, and that the police had been called to his home at least once when he threatened to kill himself and, and, it seems, everyone else. No links at the moment, but I suspect more will turn up.
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I heard on the news today that, among other things, his father had signed off on a gun purchase before he became of age, and that the police had been called to his home at least once when he threatened to kill himself and, and, it seems, everyone else.
I saw similar televised reports, including the detail that his father sponsored him for the gun license only two months after the incident in which he threatened to kill the family. Police reportedly removed several knives and other bladed weapons from his room when responding to that incident, but the family ultimately never pressed for charges, so none were filed and the incident did not appear in any of his background checks during the gun application process.

It may be that we're dealing with an Ethan Crumbley type scenario in which the shooter's family contends there were "no warning signs" because they apparently do not believe in warning signs.
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This country is mired butt deep in a gun culture. The adulation of guns and the moronic belief that gun ownership is somehow "freedom" is just sick. Until that ends, the mass shootings and tens of thousands of gun-related deaths will continue. But I have little hope of that. People are stupid.
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Screams incel as well.

Conspiracy types are taking a different tack of course. One comment to the blog post linked below, whose creator tries to argue the shooter was apolitical, states that the rose tatoos are "...a common antifa tattoo ..."


Another claims that "...the FBI activated another drone...", or to put it simply the shooter is yet another product of 'MK-Ultra/Treadstone' mass shooter factory.


The rest of the commentary is not much better.


https://up-ship.com/blog/?p=49886
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Every time I see that face, I see Guy Fawkes.
Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

But my first impression was "Emo Philips".
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Old 6th July 2022, 11:16 PM   #1999
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This country is mired butt deep in a gun culture. The adulation of guns and the moronic belief that gun ownership is somehow "freedom" is just sick. Until that ends, the mass shootings and tens of thousands of gun-related deaths will continue. But I have little hope of that. People are stupid.
Hollywood doesn't help. They glorify the gun.
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From https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...b2116568.html:
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Robert Crimo, the 21-year-old man charged with killing seven in the July 4 mass shooting in Highland Park, threatened to “kill everyone” in his home with a “collection of knives” three years before he allegedly went on his shooting rampage.

Officials revealed in a press conference on Tuesday afternoon that law enforcement were called to his home for two incidents involving the suspect in 2019 – but he was still able to legally purchase five firearms.

On the second time – in September 2019 – police were called to a report from a family member that Mr Crimo had vowed to “kill” the people inside the home and that he had a trove of knives.

Officers responded to the scene and found Mr Crimo had 16 knives, a dagger and a sword.

The knives were confiscated but officers did not arrest the suspect because no complaint was made by the alleged victims.

Lethally ridiculous
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