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Old Yesterday, 04:52 PM   #561
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
According to director of homeland security:
The Department of Homeland Security and the US Secret Service are fully prepared to support and secure the State of the Union. We thank the Service for their mission focus and dedication and for all they do each day to secure our homeland.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/16/home...he-union-.html

Of course, it brings up the question... just because the SotU speach CAN go on, does it mean it SHOULD go on. After all, the people running security are dedicated people, but requiring the workers to go without pay for something that is (at this point) just a big publicity stunt seems like its taking advantage of the secret security staff.
Doesn't matter. Without Pelosi inviting Trump, no speech. The reason she gave was just a polite way of saying as long as your holding the country hostage, were not inclined to give a terrorist a podium.

After all, President Trump is the biggest security risk this country faces.
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Old Yesterday, 05:02 PM   #562
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Doesn't matter. Without Pelosi inviting Trump, no speech. The reason she gave was just a polite way of saying as long as your holding the country hostage, were not inclined to give a terrorist a podium.

After all, President Trump is the biggest security risk this country faces.
Are you sure? Does she have more to say about it than the senate?
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Are you sure? Does she have more to say about it than the senate?
Yes, Pelosi has that power. The Speaker must invite the POTUS to deliver the speech in the House. He can deliver it from somewhere else or put it in writing.
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Old Yesterday, 05:30 PM   #564
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Yes, Pelosi has that power. The Speaker must invite the POTUS to deliver the speech in the House. He can deliver it from somewhere else or put it in writing.
I for one did not know that

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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Are you sure? Does she have more to say about it than the senate?
Both houses have to pass a resolution inviting him to speak to a joint session. So, yeah, she (specifically... e.g. The Speaker of the House) has that power.
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Old Yesterday, 05:37 PM   #566
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Are you sure? Does she have more to say about it than the senate?
100 percent sure.

BOTH have to invite him. So either can prevent it.

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Both houses have to pass a resolution inviting him to speak to a joint session. So, yeah, she (specifically... e.g. The Speaker of the House) has that power.
Could he try an end-run? Maybe arrange a senate-only speech (with selected house members... i.e. Republicans)

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Donnie Jr. is previewing the Trump reaction... "She's a-skeered of letting his daddy address the nation and making his case!"

Yeah, Br'er Democraticus don't want Br'er Fox (nice coincidence) to have a podium. The last time he addressed the nation his approval rating went down by five points and the population thinking Trump (specifically - not "the Republicans") is to blame for the shutdown shut up to over 55%!

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Could he try an end-run? Maybe arrange a senate-only speech (with selected house members... i.e. Republicans)

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From my understanding...NO.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
100 percent sure.

BOTH have to invite him. So either can prevent it.

Ninja'd by the fool.
Both sides have to invite him to speak to a Joint Session. But he doesn't have to speak to the Congress at all. For many years the State of the Union report was a document delivered to Congress. Pelosi herself said he could speak from the Oval Office. And the Senate could invite him to their chamber, even if the House locks its doors.
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Both sides have to invite him to speak to a Joint Session. But he doesn't have to speak to the Congress at all. For many years the State of the Union report was a document delivered to Congress. Pelosi herself said he could speak from the Oval Office. And the Senate could invite him to their chamber, even if the House locks its doors.
My guess is if that happens, all the Democratic Senators will boycott the speech and no one wants to really listen to that gas bag anyway.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Here's a question... how come the Democrats (or at least a PAC supporting them) haven't taken out ads on TV showing the video clip of Trump saying he'll take responsibility for the shutdown? Play it on every network Fox News, every hour. Remind people who's responsible for coastguard people not getting paid, and for long lineups at airport security.
That's the only audience that needs to hear it, over and over and over a.......
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My guess is if that happens, all the Democratic Senators will boycott the speech and no one wants to really listen to that gas bag anyway.
I tend to think that, and Pelosi disinviting him, are playing into his hands. It makes THEM look petty instead of Trump. Make him show up and try to explain what a wonderful thing the shutdown is. The fact-checks the next day will be AWESOME.
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Those too-late fact checks might warm our hearts but won't be heard inside the GOP bubble.

You make a good argument about looking bad but, all things considered, I'm with Nancy on this one.
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I really doubt Trump cares, this is an empty threat to him. He'd rather post 3 a.m. tweets than have a State of the Union anyway.
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I really doubt Trump cares, this is an empty threat to him. He'd rather post 3 a.m. tweets than have a State of the Union anyway.
... tweets about Nasty Nancy disrespecting this important, long-standing tradition in our democratic system, and poor, victimized me.
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I tend to think that, and Pelosi disinviting him, are playing into his hands. It makes THEM look petty instead of Trump. Make him show up and try to explain what a wonderful thing the shutdown is. The fact-checks the next day will be AWESOME.
I don't think so. A days news at most.
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I tend to think that, and Pelosi disinviting him, are playing into his hands. It makes THEM look petty instead of Trump. Make him show up and try to explain what a wonderful thing the shutdown is. The fact-checks the next day will be AWESOME.
This is a different Trump than a year ago. He delivered an almost-presidential SoU address but that was when he trusted his advisor corps. By his calculation those same advisors got him pilloried for his Veterans Day stupidity, told him to commandeer the media for an "Important Address" that said/did nothing other than showing how empty the playbook is, and sent him to the border for a dramatic (ho hum) first hand look at The Crisis(!!!), and got him on camera looking at the border folks showing him how easy it is to tunnel under a wall!

He'll get much more enjoyment out of the tweetathon over the disinvitation and playing victim, calling the press "fake news", etc... He's got no one he trusts to write the speech. Miller? Mick? The greenskeeper from his NJ club? If he hands it to an experienced politico it won't have sufficient "Me! Me! Look At Me, Dammit!" If he gives it to Miller he could get a Bible Code of hidden messages to the lunatic right. Mick? Trump's already interrupted him, purportedly saying, "No, Mick. You're just ******** this up." (In the last meet-up with Congressional leaders. Or "Congressional leaders not named Mitch".
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What is the status of an SoU speech? Is it something that needs to go into the formal congressional record in an acceptable way? If so, would tweeting something REALLY be "official"?

Because if Trump did resort to that, he would be extra-pissed with somebody if Nancy responded with "That's nice. But it's not an SoU presentation. All bets are still on."
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Trump should hold a rally and give the speech to real people, not the Washington elite. Trump is, after all, a man of the people and speaks for them.
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Trump should hold a rally and give the speech to real people, not the Washington elite. Trump is, after all, a man of the people and speaks for them.
Maybe to those who are currently furloughed. After all, they are all 100% in agreement with him. Amirite?
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What is the status of an SoU speech? Is it something that needs to go into the formal congressional record in an acceptable way? If so, would tweeting something REALLY be "official"?

Because if Trump did resort to that, he would be extra-pissed with somebody if Nancy responded with "That's nice. But it's not an SoU presentation. All bets are still on."
If Trump sends Congress a postcard, he's fulfilled his obligation and nothing in the Constitution says how often and when POTUS should do this. It simply says:

President “shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.” Article II, Section 3, Clause 1.
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