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Old 10th March 2014, 04:12 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
Indeed they do. But the question is what you're obligated to provide in response.
Obliged? It's not a legal trial we are discussing. A conspiracy theory is not an accusation.
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:17 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
If the media remains virtually silent about the children, then that's an indication of that the children were made-up passengers. Probably with names that aren't even registered in the U.S. birth records.
So if the names are found and they get more reporting they're real?
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:17 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy View Post
Sooo, they staged a crash, but forgot to place a plane or any wreckage where the plane allegedly went down?

Brilliant!!!!
The whole MH 370 flight was fake. That's my current belief. They just wrote in some information in their data systems. Then what about radar data? Faked. The Boeing 777 plane was real, but not used that day. Radio traffic could have been sent from another plane, so that could have been real.
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:18 PM   #204
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy View Post
Sooo, they staged a crash, but forgot to place a plane or any wreckage where the plane allegedly went down?

Brilliant!!!!
Yeah the super secret evil elite Anders believes exist are rather bad on the little technical details....
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:19 PM   #205
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So if the names are found and they get more reporting they're real?
Then they could be real. But don't underestimate what kind of fakery they can come up with, even faked birth certificates etc.
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:19 PM   #206
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
The whole MH 370 flight was fake. That's my current belief. They just wrote in some information in their data systems. Then what about radar data? Faked. The Boeing 777 plane was real, but not used that day. Radio traffic could have been sent from another plane, so that could have been real.
Oh really well explained where that plane is now then? Tell us too what happened when real people showed up for the scheduled flight......lol
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:22 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
Obliged? It's not a legal trial we are discussing. A conspiracy theory is not an accusation.

Of course it is. And you've already conceded that the burden of proof is entirely upon a conspiracy theorist.

Now please answer my last question.
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:28 PM   #208
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
Of course it is. And you've already conceded that the burden of proof is entirely upon a conspiracy theorist.

Now please answer my last question.
I don't know if the burden of proof is always on the conspiracy theorist.

You mean this question: Would you be okay with someone citing your unwillingness to satisfy his personal standard of proof as justification for vilifying you in public and undermining your public reputation and credibility?

Yes. I think.
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:32 PM   #209
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
Then they could be real. But don't underestimate what kind of fakery they can come up with, even faked birth certificates etc.
So you really don't need anything to support your belief. All you need is imagination.
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:37 PM   #210
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
I don't know if the burden of proof is always on the conspiracy theorist.



You mean this question: Would you be okay with someone citing your unwillingness to satisfy his personal standard of proof as justification for vilifying you in public and undermining your public reputation and credibility?



Yes. I think.

You just conceded so. Your last answer doesn't seem very confident. go back and try again. You're telling me somebody you've conceded has no burden of proof nevertheless has the responsibility to endure all the suffering inflicted by people who have a conspiracy theory the involves him.
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:37 PM   #211
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Oh really well explained where that plane is now then? Tell us too what happened when real people showed up for the scheduled flight......lol
The real plane probably still sits in some hangar somewhere. The scheduled passengers? Just fake data. Fake tickets. It's just a matter of entering information in their computer systems.
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:38 PM   #212
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
You just conceded so. Your last answer doesn't seem very confident. go back and try again. You're telling me somebody you've conceded has no burden of proof nevertheless has the responsibility to endure all the suffering inflicted by people who have a conspiracy theory the involves him.
You lost me there. Maybe you should start a thread in the philosophy section about it.
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:44 PM   #213
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
The real plane probably still sits in some hangar somewhere. The scheduled passengers? Just fake data. Fake tickets. It's just a matter of entering information in their computer systems.
I see you know nothing about modern aviation. Every important part of that plane has a unique serial number that is tracked by the manufacturer and owner.

There are mechanics and pilots who 'know' it.

You are utterly clueless about what you are making stuff up about...lol

It's a schedule flight there was no cancellation...try again, think harder
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:45 PM   #214
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
You lost me there. Maybe you should start a thread in the philosophy section about it.
It's called in modern terms being pwned
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:46 PM   #215
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Ignore doesn't work so well when the dreck keeps getting quoted.
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:47 PM   #216
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Originally Posted by DGM View Post
So you really don't need anything to support your belief. All you need is imagination.
How could I prove there was no plane? Impossible! Only those who have access to the actual data can do prove that. What I can do is to point out indications of hoaxery.

Even if the U.S. government would say that there are no U.S. birth records for the two children, then debunkers will no doubt come up with yet more of incredible explanations; adding to the growing pile of utterly rare coincidences that they will claim all happened to happen that day.
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:48 PM   #217
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
The real plane probably still sits in some hangar somewhere. The scheduled passengers? Just fake data. Fake tickets. It's just a matter of entering information in their computer systems.
Go the full nine yards Anders. On foot of your proposition all air travel is faked, why not.

The MA precludes me from expressing my opinion of you.
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:48 PM   #218
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Ignore doesn't work so well when the dreck keeps getting quoted.
Take it as participating in an on going Shakespearean farce called, Confusion in Stockholm

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Originally Posted by Hans View Post
It's called in modern terms being pwned
It looked like obfuscation by complexification to me. I need something simpler to grasp.
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:51 PM   #220
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Go the full nine yards Anders. On foot of your proposition all air travel is faked, why not.

The MA precludes me from expressing my opinion of you.
Get in line he's working on proving Malaysia doesn't exist
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Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
It looked like obfuscation by complexification to me. I need something simpler to grasp.
You lost
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Old 10th March 2014, 04:57 PM   #222
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Go the full nine yards Anders. On foot of your proposition all air travel is faked, why not.
I take it you think it would have been impossible to fake the MH370 incident. The radar data would have been difficult to fake, IF it had been actual radar data. Military radar data shows that the plane turned back. That data is in parts corroborated by civilian radar data. Does anyone believe in that confusion? The explanation becomes clearer if the radar data is just made up.
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You lost
Lost an argument that looked like an obfuscated trap of some kind? Whew! Thank goodness for that.
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I take it you think it would have been impossible to fake the MH370 incident. The radar data would have been difficult to fake, IF it had been actual radar data. Military radar data shows that the plane turned back. That data is in parts corroborated by civilian radar data. Does anyone believe in that confusion? The explanation becomes clearer if the radar data is just made up.
You again ignore the fact that an actual plane and people are missing. Your ideas are without merit, evidence or even plausible
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Lost an argument that looked like an obfuscated trap of some kind? Whew! Thank goodness for that.
Yes it's fun watching you be publicly beaten ...again, lol

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You again ignore the fact that an actual plane and people are missing. Your ideas are without merit, evidence or even plausible
Zero plane wreckage found and American children without birth certificates. Shaky radar data. Shaky tracking of plane flight path. Shaky radio communication with the plane. Those are facts. Where is the real plane?
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If the media remains virtually silent about the children, then that's an indication of that the children were made-up passengers. Probably with names that aren't even registered in the U.S. birth records.
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Then they could be real. But don't underestimate what kind of fakery they can come up with, even faked birth certificates etc.
So sometimes our NWO overlords can produce fake birth records and other times they are just phoning in their conspiracies and can't be bothered.

Seems dangerously inconsistent to me. And you are saying that the media ARE complicit now?
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Zero plane wreckage found and American children without birth certificates. Shaky radar data. Shaky tracking of plane flight path. Shaky radio communication with the plane. Those are facts. Where is the real plane?
Lost just like you...lol
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So sometimes our NWO overlords can produce fake birth records and other times they are just phoning in their conspiracies and can't be bothered.

Seems dangerously inconsistent to me. And you are saying that the media ARE complicit now?
No, the media is just reporting as usual it seems. Except a recent CNN article that looked suspiciously defensive to me, but that may be just to give people explanations and doesn't need to have anything to do with a conspiracy. So overall the media is still innocent in this case.
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What I can do is to point out indications of hoaxery.
But, considering these "indicators" are only limited by your imagination, what differentiates this from fantasy.
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Lost just like you...lol
Not as lost as the news articles describing it as a mystery all the time. Ha ha.
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But, considering these "indicators" are only limited by your imagination, what differentiates this from fantasy.
Predictions. I predict that no wreckage of MH 370 will be found and that there are no genuine U.S. birth certificates for the supposed American children on board the plane.

ETA: Hmm... The children could have been born outside the U.S. and still be American citizens.

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Not as lost as the news articles describing it as a mystery all the time. Ha ha.
Planes are lost at times, why you are trying to troll the situation is beyond me, as it's above your intellectual level to understand
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Predictions. I predict that no wreckage of MH 370 will be found and that there are no genuine U.S. birth certificates for the supposed American children on board the plane.
And if you are wrong on one of these you agree to leave JREF permanently?
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Predictions. I predict that no wreckage of MH 370 will be found and that there are no genuine U.S. birth certificates for the supposed American children on board the plane.
They're not predictions if you control the validity of any evidence. It's fantasy.
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And if you are wrong on one of these you agree to leave JREF permanently?
I just corrected that post and added: "The children could have been born outside the U.S. and still be American citizens."

I don't make promises, but the idea is that the American children are just made-up names.
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They're not predictions if you control the validity of any evidence. It's fantasy.
Yelp he'll just make up more nonsense to CHA

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I just corrected that post and added: "The children could have been born outside the U.S. and still be American citizens."

I don't make promises, but the idea is that the American children are just made-up names.
Yep made up nonsense from Anders the plane will be found
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Why do people engage Anders in this stupidity?
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Why do people engage Anders in this stupidity?
He's comedy gold and by engaging him it prevents him sucking in people who might think his postings are real.
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