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Old 7th December 2017, 11:21 PM   #1321
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Same-sex marriage: This is everyone who didn't vote to support the bill
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Only four MPs voted no — the Coalition's Russell Broadbent, Keith Pitt and David Littleproud, and crossbencher Bob Katter.
However, a number of staunch opponents of the same-sex marriage bill were notably absent during the vote.
In other words these staunch opponents were not genuine. They just wanted to delay passing the bill. A low tactic.
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Old 8th December 2017, 12:07 AM   #1322
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
Same-sex marriage: This is everyone who didn't vote to support the bill


In other words these staunch opponents were not genuine. They just wanted to delay passing the bill. A low tactic.
Old news.

As for your claim that abstaining was a delaying tactic:
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Old 8th December 2017, 12:22 AM   #1323
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Other MPs to abstain include Treasurer Scott Morrison, deputy PM Barnaby Joyce, assistant ministers Michael Sukkar and Alex Hawke, Liberal MPs Andrew Hastie, Kevin Andrews, Rick Wilson and National MP George Christensen.

However, the only official record is of the 4 "no" voters: Coalition MPs Russell Broadbent, Keith Pitt, David Littleproud and independent MP Bob Katter.

Mr Pitt subsequently released a statement claiming that he wasn't against SSM but the actual bill.

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Your link is behind a paywall.

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As for your claim that abstaining was a delaying tactic:
That is not my claim.
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Old 8th December 2017, 12:51 AM   #1324
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
Your link is behind a paywall.
Sorry about that. At least my summary of the link is consistent with your link.

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That is not my claim.

I just can't see any other possible way to interpret your post:
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However, a number of staunch opponents of the same-sex marriage bill were notably absent during the vote.
In other words these staunch opponents were not genuine. They just wanted to delay passing the bill. A low tactic.
As a matter of fact, had just one of these abstainers voted "no" then there would have had to be a formal count of the votes which would have delayed passage of the bill by - minutes.
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Old 8th December 2017, 02:19 AM   #1325
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Sorry about that. At least my summary of the link is consistent with your link.




I just can't see any other possible way to interpret your post:

As a matter of fact, had just one of these abstainers voted "no" then there would have had to be a formal count of the votes which would have delayed passage of the bill by - minutes.
One of the methods they used to delay passing the vote was this pointless survey. It was wanted only by those who did not SSM.
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Old 8th December 2017, 02:38 AM   #1326
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
One of the methods they used to delay passing the vote was this pointless survey. It was wanted only by those who did not SSM.
In other words, your post had absolutely nothing to do with what you quoted. It was a total non-sequitur.
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Old 10th December 2017, 12:58 AM   #1327
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To be honest, I think that leaving the floor for the vote may be the greatest moral integrity I've ever seen Abbott display.

He had promised his electorate that he would not vote against their will. Everyone knew that the vote was going to pass. He had to abstain.
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Old 10th December 2017, 01:35 PM   #1328
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
In other words, your post had absolutely nothing to do with what you quoted. It was a total non-sequitur.

I can see what rjh01 is saying quite clearly psion. Perhaps you should read it again without your "skeptical about skeptics" glasses.
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Old 10th December 2017, 11:55 PM   #1329
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I can see what rjh01 is saying quite clearly psion. Perhaps you should read it again without your "skeptical about skeptics" glasses.
I eagerly await your explanation of how rjh01's post is related to their quote.
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Old 11th December 2017, 01:08 PM   #1330
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I think this picture shows what I mean. The people who wanted the survey wanted it just as a delaying tactic and nothing more. If they wanted to measure the people's opinion then these people would have voted yes, as their electorates said yes, but they either voted no or abstained. Shame on Turnbull who allowed himself to be used by these people.

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Old 11th December 2017, 01:57 PM   #1331
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Yes you make your point quite well rjh01. I think however you may have to write it in braille for psionl0 to comprehend.
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Old 11th December 2017, 08:58 PM   #1332
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
I think this picture shows what I mean. The people who wanted the survey wanted it just as a delaying tactic and nothing more. If they wanted to measure the people's opinion then these people would have voted yes, as their electorates said yes, but they either voted no or abstained. Shame on Turnbull who allowed himself to be used by these people.

https://www.facebook.com/EMRAUST/pho...type=3&theater
That facebook picture doesn't prove what you think it does.

If you want to establish that the no/abstain voters intended to delay the SSM bill then you need to show that these same MPs actually voted in favour of a plebiscite. So far, you have nothing.

ETA quite a few electorates in western Sydney voted NO in the poll. How many MPs respected their constituents' vote?

EETA The Plebiscite (Same-Sex Marriage) Bill 2016 was introduced into the House of Representatives on 14 September 2016 by Malcolm Turnbull (not any of the abstainers). The third reading of the bill was carried on party lines on 20 October 2016 with all coalition members voting yes (76 votes) and Labor voting as a block "no" (67 votes). http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/...ad4b%2F0000%22
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Old 11th December 2017, 09:32 PM   #1333
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Yes you make your point quite well rjh01. I think however you may have to write it in braille for psionl0 to comprehend.
Judging from what is written below I fear you are right. Thank you for telling me that you, at least, understood what I said.


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That facebook picture doesn't prove what you think it does.

If you want to establish that the no/abstain voters intended to delay the SSM bill then you need to show that these same MPs actually voted in favour of a plebiscite. So far, you have nothing.

ETA quite a few electorates in western Sydney voted NO in the poll. How many MPs respected their constituents' vote?
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Old 11th December 2017, 09:59 PM   #1334
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
Judging from what is written below I fear you are right.
Does that trick ever work?
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