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Old 28th July 2019, 11:05 AM   #1
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Tulsi, Tulsi, Tulsi :(

I had so much hope, was willing to forgive her past transgressions, as she really showed that she was hearing what was going on with the tech monopolies, even to the point of appearing on Rogan.

Like all the good, bipartisan parts of McCain, without the ....well, McCain part of it

Around here our biggest concerns with Tulsi weren't the anti-gay stuff she did as a teen (at the time you wouldn't last 5 minutes on the street gay bashing in hawaii, and probably wanted to be able to go outside sometime), it was the fact that she pandered

HARD

She would pander to the anti-science crowd again and again to the point where even the pro science people had to vote republican

She pandered to the anti-evolution side in education

She pandered to the anti-vaxxers. The legacy of that on Maui for instance, is insane

She pandered to the anti-GMO nuts to the point where they got hawaiians to vote to make their traditional foods illegal

Its not even like she was pandering to her local base, the people whipping this stuff up were your typical california, seattle left wing science deniers, the typical anti-gmo anti science nuts.

Hawaii has a conformity problem that most people wouldn't believe unless they've been here, where the people most reliant on the federal government for food march in lock step with whatever their "cultural leaders" (actually no such thing, as again ,most of these are from california) say....If one guy wears a shirt, they ALL wear that shirt. If the one guy punches someone, they ALL mob him.

The latest dustup has these californians telling the gullible mobs that someone is going to put nuclear powered telescopes on a mountain and use "the aquifer" that everyone drinks from (there is no one aquifer, only oahu is like that) for cooling and all the water will be poisoned.

First they just blocked the roads....nevermind that hawaii is 50th in education or any measure of intelligence, we NEED as much science as we can get. Then the violence, as usual, just like in the cases of vaccines and gmos started.

And now Tulsi has endorsed and pandered to them

I am sooooo bummed. Like betrayed. She really felt right.

Lets hope they let Yang run
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Old 28th July 2019, 11:40 AM   #2
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A politician who panders? I'm shocked!
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Old 28th July 2019, 11:46 AM   #3
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I assume this alludes to 'Tora, tora, tora". But for those of us who don't live in Hawaii could you explain what Tulsi means? Is it Hawaiian? Is it a person, could you link to an article, or give a full name, or position?
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I too wonder who this person is. Context, please?
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Old 28th July 2019, 12:00 PM   #5
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard

She's a Representative from Hawaii who was making enough sense that the corporate democrats wanted to stomp her. Probably most in the news right now for suing google over blocking her ads right at the critical point in the 2020 presidential race

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/t...es-google.html

She was willing to ditch tribalism in order to get things done and actually communicate with the American people, regardless of party.

She has a lot of dirty laundry that she seemed willing to rise above and a lot of us wanted to give her a chance, but youch.
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Old 28th July 2019, 12:07 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio View Post
She's a Representative from Hawaii who was making enough sense that the corporate democrats wanted to stomp her.
Does one have to be a corporate lackey to stomp someone who panders to the loony anti-science fringe?
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Old 28th July 2019, 12:45 PM   #7
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No, there were plenty who were willing to back Obama's anti-science banning of smoking cessation products
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Old 28th July 2019, 12:56 PM   #8
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I like Tulsi.

The crowd she attracts includes some if the most arrogant, self righteous, counterproductive conspiracy mongers who are quick to attack fellow progressives if they so much as bring up her name.
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Old 28th July 2019, 03:49 PM   #9
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Gee it would be too bad if she drops out. We'd only have, like, maybe 27 other candidates to choose from?*

*I'm a registered Democrat, and I think this is ridiculous. At least 22 of these people are no-chancers.
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Old 28th July 2019, 04:08 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio View Post
I had so much hope, was willing to forgive her past transgressions, as she really showed that she was hearing what was going on with the tech monopolies, even to the point of appearing on Rogan.

Like all the good, bipartisan parts of McCain, without the ....well, McCain part of it

Around here our biggest concerns with Tulsi weren't the anti-gay stuff she did as a teen
You left out the fact she has reversed positions on this and has apologized for her former stance.

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(at the time you wouldn't last 5 minutes on the street gay bashing in hawaii, and probably wanted to be able to go outside sometime), it was the fact that she pandered

HARD

She would pander to the anti-science crowd again and again to the point where even the pro science people had to vote republican,
Evidence?

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She pandered to the anti-evolution side in education
Evidence?

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She pandered to the anti-vaxxers. The legacy of that on Maui for instance, is insane
Evidence?

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She pandered to the anti-GMO nuts to the point where they got hawaiians to vote to make their traditional foods illegal
Evidence for both?

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Its not even like she was pandering to her local base, the people whipping this stuff up were your typical california, seattle left wing science deniers, the typical anti-gmo anti science nuts.

Hawaii has a conformity problem that most people wouldn't believe unless they've been here, where the people most reliant on the federal government for food march in lock step with whatever their "cultural leaders" (actually no such thing, as again ,most of these are from california) say....If one guy wears a shirt, they ALL wear that shirt. If the one guy punches someone, they ALL mob him.

The latest dustup has these californians telling the gullible mobs that someone is going to put nuclear powered telescopes on a mountain and use "the aquifer" that everyone drinks from (there is no one aquifer, only oahu is like that) for cooling and all the water will be poisoned.

First they just blocked the roads....nevermind that hawaii is 50th in education or any measure of intelligence, we NEED as much science as we can get. Then the violence, as usual, just like in the cases of vaccines and gmos started.

And now Tulsi has endorsed and pandered to them
What is your evidence she has endorsed the nutty position you describe? Se has gone on record as supporting the protestors over their belief Mauna Kea is sacred, saying "there are spiritual and cultural issues that are being ignored." There is no evidence she believes the telescope is nuclear powered and will contaminate the groundwater several hundred metres below.

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I am sooooo bummed. Like betrayed. She really felt right.

Lets hope they let Yang run
Overall this post sounds quite hysterical. It's long on rhetoric and short on facts. True, that's par for the course for the politics section, but this is also supposed to be a skeptics' board. It would be nice to some overlap every once in a while.
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Remember, I called Tulsi "trash" first.
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Old 28th July 2019, 05:19 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio View Post
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard

She's a Representative from Hawaii who was making enough sense that the corporate democrats wanted to stomp her. Probably most in the news right now for suing google over blocking her ads right at the critical point in the 2020 presidential race
There was no critical point in the 2020 presidential race for Tulsi. She's kind of the Ron Paul of the Democrats.
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Old 28th July 2019, 05:43 PM   #13
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Just read the tribalism in this thread if you want to wonder why trump won 2020
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Old 28th July 2019, 05:48 PM   #14
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Posters contradicting your view is NOT "tribalism".
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Old 28th July 2019, 07:59 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio View Post
Just read the tribalism in this thread if you want to wonder why trump won 2020
What?

Asking for evidence is not a symptom of tribalism. You posted five claims that you didn't back up. Remember, "That which is alleged without evidence can be rejected without evidence." Unless you can back up your claims the default reaction should be to ignore them.

Sadly, way too many people regardless of their politics are far too willing to accept unsubstantiated claims over established facts.
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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio View Post
... She has a lot of dirty laundry that she seemed willing to rise above and a lot of us wanted to give her a chance, but youch.
How about you provide evidence of this dirty laundry?

I quickly looked up your claim that she was (is?) anti vax and didn't see any evidence of that.

Since you're quick to presume that challenges amount to tribalism, I'll share with you that my impression of Gabbard isn't very positive.
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The telescope controversy is worthy of its own thread. I looked and couldn't find one. Is there one I haven't found?
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I first heard of her when she did an early town hall even on CNN. Same one at Buttagieg in it and I had not heard of him before that either.

From what I can remember she evaded just about every question asked of her. Not a fan after that.
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The telescope controversy is worthy of its own thread. I looked and couldn't find one. Is there one I haven't found?
I vaguely remember such a thread, but I can't recall the title. It was probably something skeptical-snarky, though, rather than plainly informative of the topic and easily searchable.
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I vaguely remember such a thread, but I can't recall the title. It was probably something skeptical-snarky, though, rather than plainly informative of the topic and easily searchable.
Telescope Fight in Hawaii
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Gee it would be too bad if she drops out. We'd only have, like, maybe 27 other candidates to choose from?*

*I'm a registered Democrat, and I think this is ridiculous. At least 22 of these people are no-chancers.
Its almost like the Dems hadn't heard about what happened in the last Rep primary.

This makes me want a return to the smoke filled rooms, kind of like most parliamentary systems choose there leaders.

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Tulsi is tied with Marriane Williamson for being the biggest Crackpot in the Democratic primaries.
I really hope both are removed from the process early on. They are not helping the Dems any.
As someone who thinks the future of Amereicn as a free country will depend on keeping Trump from being reelected, I have real concerns the Dems will blow it.
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Tulsi is tied with Marriane Williamson for being the biggest Crackpot in the Democratic primaries.
I really hope both are removed from the process early on. They are not helping the Dems any.
As someone who thinks the future of Amereicn as a free country will depend on keeping Trump from being reelected, I have real concerns the Dems will blow it.
As someone who knows the future of America as free country is not really at risk, I wouldn't lose my mind if either Gabbard or Williamson got elected. Though I'd prefer Williamson. So I'll probably vote for her in the primaries.
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Remember, I called Tulsi "trash" first.
what a coincidence!
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Tulsi is tied with Marriane Williamson for being the biggest Crackpot in the Democratic primaries..
[Citation required.]

You're at least the the second person in thread thread to level an accusation that she's somewhat out of step with reality, but like the OP you've offered no evidence for it. Please show some examples, preferably with links back to a source, that would show someone who hasn't followed her career and who heard her name for the first time in this thread (that would be me) that she's not a worthy candidate for whatever position she's holding or seeking.
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An op-ed on Tulsi from the WaPo
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When opposing congressional legislation calling for humanitarian aid for the Syrian people and protection of civilians, Gabbard called it a thinly veiled regime-change effort using the “rationale of humanitarianism.” That’s an atrocious response to what State Department officials have called the worst machinery of death since the Nazis.

Other Democratic candidates have promised to end U.S. military adventurism without making excuses for a mass murderer. It’s neither progressive nor liberal to defend Assad, a fascist, totalitarian psychopath who can never peacefully preside over Syria after what he has done.
She's nearly as deserving as Trump is for Russian support.
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She's nearly as deserving as Trump is for Russian support.
Funny you should say that...

Pro-Kremlin news have been quite enthusiastic about her, and Russian Twitter bots have supported her attack on Kamala Harris.
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As someone who knows the future of America as free country is not really at risk, I wouldn't lose my mind if either Gabbard or Williamson got elected. Though I'd prefer Williamson. So I'll probably vote for her in the primaries.
Now I know you're just trolling.

Marianne Williamson was interviewed by a 9/11 conspiracy theorist in 2012 — and seemed to think he was making sense.

These Old Marianne Williamson Tweets Only Prove That She's A National Treasure [sarcasm]
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And now that everyone has searched her, we also know her past history of being an anti-vaxxer, which she conveniently backtracked prior to last night’s debate. Quite the timing there, huh? That’s quite the timing for that come to Jesus moment. Yet, it goes beyond that. From Williamson’s past tweets, which only further shows that she’s a gem and national treasure, it reinforced her past beliefs that medicine doesn’t cure disease, positive thinking does (via Daily Beast):

In fact, if you read the tweet closely, and if you know about Williamson’s 30-year career in the New Age world, two things become clear: first, she hasn’t backed down at all, and second, she’s been anti-science, anti-medicine, and anti-rationality for decades.

Williamson was an anti-vaxxer before anti-vaxxers were anti-vaxxers. ...

On The View, Williamson said, “I do not trust the propaganda on either side,” equating thousands of hours of scientific research with conspiracy theories hatched by ignoramuses. In a statement to The Daily Beast, she said that “public safety must be carefully balanced with the right of individuals to make their own decisions,” yet again misconstruing the public health risk of unvaccinated citizens....

“The AIDS virus is not more powerful than God,” Williamson told a group of HIV positive disciples, according to a 1992 Los Angeles Times expose, written when Williamson was still in the early days of her fame.

For years, Williamson…and others told gay men that they could cure themselves if only they would properly visualize themselves getting well. Not just gay men, of course; people with cancer and other terminal illnesses, people struggling with obesity, people with chronic health conditions—to all of these, Williamson and her ilk said that they had the power to heal themselves, science be damned.
This is someone you don't care if she becomes POTUS?
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Just read the tribalism in this thread if you want to wonder why trump won 2020
I can't stand her. Why does that make me a tribalist?
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An op-ed on Tulsi from the WaPo


She's nearly as deserving as Trump is for Russian support.
I've seen a lot of pushback on this within the past few days from her supporters. From what I've seen, their points usually revolve around Tulsi not actually being an apologist for Assad, but really just against getting involved in wars in general, knowing the cost because of her service, wanting to focus on diplomacy, etc. I tend to lean towards giving people the benefit of the doubt when it come to criticism like this, because the media really does love to take things out of context something (especially with non-status-quo figures), but I really can't do that with Tulsi after doing a bit of reading. She's been trying to walk back her statements on Assad, and her supporters are doing lots of handwaving, but she really did seem to have a soft spot for Assad. She also has some indirect involvement with Hindu nationalist organizations (again, that she's tried to distance herself from since running for president) and is a big fan of Modi. For as much as she paints herself as a (somewhat) anti-war non-interventionist, she really does seem to have a soft spot for some dictators (coincidentally, ones that perpetuate or encourage violence against Muslims and have supporters that have either donated money to her or taken her on "fact finding" trips), and she's had a lot of really hawkish things to say about the war on terrorism in the past.

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/05/...ionalist-modi/
https://theweek.com/articles/855766/...rd-no-peacenik

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An op-ed on Tulsi from the WaPo


She's nearly as deserving as Trump is for Russian support.
And I'd venture to guess, she's getting it. Coincidentally first-confirmed by CE, Tulsi is once again the most-searched candidate after the second debates. That's two debates in a row where Ron Paul Tulsi has a greater web presence than real-world presence.

Gee, this is hardly familiar at all. Either 99.75% of those searchers don't like what they see or those searchers are allergic to answering polls or simply not eligible for the polls... How dare they discount the opinions of the great nation of Botsfarma!
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Old 2nd August 2019, 11:46 PM   #34
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If Marianne Williamson becomes POTUS, there will be more mainstream support for stuff like Medical Intuitives like Bandy Lee. You should be happy!

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Hell, the television show Our Cartoon President just refers to her as "Crazy Russian Plant."
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Old 3rd August 2019, 01:19 AM   #36
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
And I'd venture to guess, she's getting it. Coincidentally first-confirmed by CE, Tulsi is once again the most-searched candidate after the second debates. That's two debates in a row where Ron Paul Tulsi has a greater web presence than real-world presence.

Gee, this is hardly familiar at all. Either 99.75% of those searchers don't like what they see or those searchers are allergic to answering polls or simply not eligible for the polls... How dare they discount the opinions of the great nation of Botsfarma!
Huh. Maybe.
I think there's also a chance normal people searched her and it just didn't persuade them to choose her. Especially since there's so much rabidly anti-Gabbard stuff out there on the web.

But you're definitely right that the Russian gov has quite a motive to try to boost any candidate who's opposed to ME regime change wars.
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