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Old 14th October 2016, 02:55 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Muzzle the press.
In a thread you started entitled "Breitbart MUST be destroyed," you're concerned that Trump is going to muzzle the press?
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Old 14th October 2016, 02:56 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Period.

They are responsible for this.
How should we destroy them?
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Old 14th October 2016, 03:02 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Hillary's own campaign emails. She tried to pull a McCaskill/Akin. Was this not obvious even before the email leaked? It should have been.

I see that Ted Cruz is at the top of the list.

That didn't work out very well for her, I guess.
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Old 14th October 2016, 03:10 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Amazing. You're so dead-set against Hillary that you're setting yourself up to blame Trump on her?

Is there any evil she's not responsible for?

Chicxulub?
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Old 14th October 2016, 04:06 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
In a thread you started entitled "Breitbart MUST be destroyed," you're concerned that Trump is going to muzzle the press?
They're the press?
Hahaha

Uh. No.
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Old 14th October 2016, 04:09 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
They're the press?
Hahaha

Uh. No.
Anybody that publishes is the press. It's a fundamental principle.
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Old 14th October 2016, 04:39 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
They're the press?
Hahaha

Uh. No.
In the digital age, Breitbart most certainly is the press, as are Salon, the Huffington Post, and a lot of other people whom I don't necessarily agree with politically.
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Old 14th October 2016, 05:07 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
How should we destroy them?
DDOS?
I dunno.
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Old 14th October 2016, 05:08 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Anybody that publishes is the press. It's a fundamental principle.
Hey, what can i say?
I'm taking cues from your great pumpkin.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
In a thread you started entitled "Breitbart MUST be destroyed," you're concerned that Trump is going to muzzle the press?
By the press, most of us mean the press that vets stories and does it's best to remain unbiased. If you consider Breitbart to have any association with vetting and using fully or even partially true stories I do you the courtesy of assuming you have been foully and terribly misled!!!! Breitbart has no relationship of any kind with the truth. Though innuendo and mistruth seem to be it's stale bread and rancid butter!!!
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Old 14th October 2016, 05:18 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
How should we destroy them?
check the first of fuelair's maxims/rules for a good and kind life below the line in every one of my posts!!!!!!!

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Old 14th October 2016, 05:34 PM   #52
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Originally Posted by fuelair View Post
By the press, most of us mean the press that vets stories and does it's best to remain unbiased. If you consider Breitbart to have any association with vetting and using fully or even partially true stories I do you the courtesy of assuming you have been foully and terribly misled!!!! Breitbart has no relationship of any kind with the truth. Though innuendo and mistruth seem to be it's stale bread and rancid butter!!!
You clearly have no knowledge of the history of the press in the United States.
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Old 14th October 2016, 05:48 PM   #53
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Amazing. You're so dead-set against Hillary that you're setting yourself up to blame Trump on her?

Is there any evil she's not responsible for?

It's not just amazing, it's an admirable bit of cognitive judo. My compliments to the chef.
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Old 14th October 2016, 05:50 PM   #54
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Best way to destroy Breitbart is to educate the masses.

Take the issues of the Trumpistas seriously (there are clear demographic markers pointing out who's most likely to be a Trumpista). The issues are that their lives aren't as good as they used to be. Work to fix that.

Them being bigots, racists and generally deplorable is most likely a symtom rather than the disease.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
In a thread you started entitled "Breitbart MUST be destroyed," you're concerned that Trump is going to muzzle the press?
Apparently, you're taking him literally? Haven't the leading Republican lights explained to us that you can't take Noah literally. He means, of course, that they MUST be destroyed,... democratically.
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Old 14th October 2016, 06:06 PM   #56
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You clearly have no knowledge of the history of the press in the United States.
I was not discussing the history of the press in the US nor how a lot was in the not all that distant past. Learned a lot about that while working toward my MLS. I was only comparing legitimate press and "press" of the yellow journalism (see, I really do not make this **** up) current type such as Breitbart and Faux/Fox news lies. Hope this helps.

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Old 14th October 2016, 06:22 PM   #57
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Amazing. You're so dead-set against Hillary that you're setting yourself up to blame Trump on her?

Is there any evil she's not responsible for?
You obviously didn't pay attention to the "if" in my original question. It's important.
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Old 14th October 2016, 06:24 PM   #58
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Apparently, you're taking him literally? Haven't the leading Republican lights explained to us that you can't take Noah literally. He means, of course, that they MUST be destroyed,... democratically.
How exactly do you think one "democratically" destroys a private company?
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Old 14th October 2016, 07:03 PM   #59
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
They're the press?
Hahaha

Uh. No.
Best to just debunk and expose their lies.
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How exactly do you think one "democratically" destroys a private company?
I dunno. Ask the Breitbart/Mercer/Bannon stooges. That's Kellyanne's defense of Donnie, You'd be in jail, Trump. "You're taking him literally. Of course he didn't mean to just put her in jail, but to do it democratically."

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You clearly have no knowledge of the history of the press in the United States.
Well I know that kind of history needs to stay just that.
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Hillary's own campaign emails. She tried to pull a McCaskill/Akin. Was this not obvious even before the email leaked? It should have been.
There were 3 names on that list, Trump being only one of them, clearly a preference for the most far right candidates.

This is hardly any different from Trump's regular comments in favor of Sanders. Just because Red-State interprets that email as "using Trump" that framing is a figment of the op-ed writer's imagination.
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Old 14th October 2016, 08:21 PM   #63
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In a thread you started entitled "Breitbart MUST be destroyed," you're concerned that Trump is going to muzzle the press?
Calling Breitbart the press is a stretch. Does Trump's regular threats of suing the press not bother you? After all there was the dismantling of Gawker by lawsuit funded by another fat cat. So suing the press is a threat to free speech, is it not?
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How should we destroy them?
You nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. Where have you been?
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I dunno. Ask the Breitbart/Mercer/Bannon stooges. That's Kellyanne's defense of Donnie, You'd be in jail, Trump. "You're taking him literally. Of course he didn't mean to just put her in jail, but to do it democratically."
No. We do not put people in jail democratically. We put people in jail through due process. So all you've done is shifted one question with no obvious answer (what's the "democratic" way to destroy Breitbart) to a question that obviously has no answer (what's the due process way to destroy Breitbart). You made your own position worse.

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Mmmmm.... sweet irony.
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There were 3 names on that list, Trump being only one of them, clearly a preference for the most far right candidates.

This is hardly any different from Trump's regular comments in favor of Sanders.
I never said it was different. But Noah seems to think it's different, since he thinks a Trump presidency would be an existential threat, but I doubt he feels the same about a Sanders presidency.
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Calling Breitbart the press is a stretch.
Not from a legal and constitutional standpoint.

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Doesn't really bother me, since he mostly bluffs, I doubt he could win any of his threatened suits, and none of the targets of his threats seem to be at all intimidated.

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After all there was the dismantling of Gawker by lawsuit funded by another fat cat. So suing the press is a threat to free speech, is it not?
That depends very much on the nature of the suit.
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Best to just debunk and expose their lies.
Oh, look! Someone who actually thinks the remedy for bad speech is more speech!

Around here that's getting to be as rare as hen's teeth.
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No. We do not put people in jail democratically. We put people in jail through due process. So all you've done is shifted one question with no obvious answer (what's the "democratic" way to destroy Breitbart) to a question that obviously has no answer (what's the due process way to destroy Breitbart). You made your own position worse.
No, you just didn't get the point. I think it's an absurd position. I was making fun of their own defense of the ferret-wearing creep. The fact that you didn't see it coming really can't be placed at my feet.

It was a set-up. Surely you should have learned by now not to walk in swinging when I toss out a looping right hook. I'm a southpaw. When you try to counter the fake right hook, you're going to catch the left uppercut.


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Yeah, I'd say. It was a set-up. You fell for it. Neener, neener, neener.
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No, you just didn't get the point. I think it's an absurd position. I was making fun of their own defense of the ferret-wearing creep. The fact that you didn't see it coming really can't be placed at my feet.

It was a set-up. Surely you should have learned by now not to walk in swinging when I toss out a looping right hook. I'm a southpaw. When you try to counter the fake right hook, you're going to catch the left uppercut.




Yeah, I'd say. It was a set-up. You fell for it. Neener, neener, neener.
Oh, I get it. You think you're clever because you figured out how to do a tu quoque. I'm so impressed. You sure showed me.
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Calling Breitbart the press is a stretch.
Not from a legal and constitutional standpoint.
I think the worry is that Trump will silence those who disagree with him, in which case that portion of the press that does agree with or support him will be allowed to go on doing so.

The issue then isn't whether or not Breitbart constitutes a member of the press, but rather how the press as a whole will be treated. Breitbart isn't "the press", it's a member of that class, and as such it can be treated differently from the press as a whole, even if that means being singled out to be left alone.
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I'm sure she thought exactly that. But the point is, easier or not, Trump might still win. The odds aren't 0%. Hillary is willing to risk Trump being president. So again, what does that say about Hillary?
The odds of an asteroid hitting the earth aren't 0% either, but I'm more concerned about cancer.

Obviously she needs to weigh the chances of losing against the cost of losing. The cost of losing to a different candidate may be less than the cost of losing to Trump, but the chances of losing higher and it may, then, come out to be more reasonable to prefer Trump in that case.

This is true even if she has only the interests of the country in mind.

No, I don't think that she does, but we're talking about a matter of logic here.
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Oh, I get it. You think you're clever because you figured out how to do a tu quoque. I'm so impressed. You sure showed me.
You're welcome.
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I was not discussing the history of the press in the US nor how a lot was in the not all that distant past. Learned a lot about that while working toward my MLS. I was only comparing legitimate press and "press" of the yellow journalism (see, I really do not make this **** up) current type such as Breitbart and Faux/Fox news lies. Hope this helps.
Your appeal to authority is noted, but sorry, if you're trying to claim that Breitbart is not the press, your claim is rejected. And lots of other sites that are equally biased towards the Democrats (like the Huffington Post) also qualify. We are moving back to the days of yellow journalism, and I find it somewhat refreshing rather than the pretense of neutrality claimed by the legacy press.
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Old 15th October 2016, 12:30 AM   #75
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The US might seriously benefit from a purely state- financed and run news outlet.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
The US might seriously benefit from a purely state- financed and run news outlet.
How do you think that would go down with the anti-gubmint conspiracy theorists?
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DDOS?
I dunno.
You're wanting to stop free press, yet you complain about a leader that you "feel" will. Also, if the press is so bad -- why are you concerned that people are reading it? Wouldnt you want them to so they can see its so bad? Sounds more like... you dislike their opinions, and want to silence them.
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Originally Posted by N0z View Post
You're wanting to stop free press, yet you complain about a leader that you "feel" will. Also, if the press is so bad -- why are you concerned that people are reading it? Wouldnt you want them to so they can see its so bad? Sounds more like... you dislike their opinions, and want to silence them.
Only concern with the tools listening to /watching it (I doubt they read anything outside of very simple signs) and thinking it has some connection with reality. Of course I refer to -by example as there are many others- Fox, Breitfart, Limbaugh and all like them. Scum for deplorable scum.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Your appeal to authority is noted, but sorry, if you're trying to claim that Breitbart is not the press, your claim is rejected. And lots of other sites that are equally biased towards the Democrats (like the Huffington Post) also qualify. We are moving back to the days of yellow journalism, and I find it somewhat refreshing rather than the pretense of neutrality claimed by the legacy press.
You find rags that constantly lie refreshing?

Didn't see that coming....
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Originally Posted by Roboramma View Post
The odds of an asteroid hitting the earth aren't 0% either, but I'm more concerned about cancer.
In that case, then, there's no reason to be upset at Breitbart for backing Trump.

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No, I don't think that she does, but we're talking about a matter of logic here.
That's sort of my point: Noah's logic is inconsistent. If the threat of a Trump presidency is really so great that Breitbart must be destroyed in retaliation, then Hillary should be condemned as well. If the threat of a Trump presidency is small enough that Hillary shouldn't be condemned, then there's no reason to destroy Breitbart in response.
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