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Old 25th October 2018, 06:08 AM   #361
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Okay I "get" all the Democratic leaders and George Soros. Those have been boogeyman for the far right for years.

But De Niro? That's sort of out of left field. Even if the bomber just wanted an example of a "Hollywood Liberal" on the list, De Niro?
He directed harsh insults towards Trump recently at a high profile event.
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Old 25th October 2018, 06:09 AM   #362
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Did he say 'Mainstream Media', or 'Fake News' ?
He said mainstream media. Check his tweets. I'm on my phone.
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Old 25th October 2018, 06:12 AM   #363
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
What are the possibilities?

1. A crazed right winger getting back at all the Dems who have gone after Trump Supporters

2. A Liberal who is trying to make the Trump Supporters look bad by targeting Dems who have targeted Trump.

3. An Isis (or other terrorist group) plot to only scare Dems who have gone after Trump.

4. A non political Crazy person who thought he would throw a wrench in the mid term election frenzy.


3 is a non-starter for me, I think at least one would have blown up if this was the case.
1 and 4, I think at least one would have blown up, or at least been functional.

2 is the only one who would have intentionally sent a non-functional device in my opinion.

Please add other possibilities if I'm leaving any out.
Famous politicians receive death threats. The idea that these were not real bombs don't make them more suspect than the regular death threats.
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Old 25th October 2018, 06:12 AM   #364
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
6. A liberal trying to frame a conservative who's trying to frame a liberal for committing a double false flag.
Once trust in our media and law enforcement institutions has been sufficiently eroded, one can manufacture their own "truth". Thanks Trumpsters.
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Old 25th October 2018, 06:14 AM   #365
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Okay I "get" all the Democratic leaders and George Soros. Those have been boogeyman for the far right for years.

But De Niro? That's sort of out of left field. Even if the bomber just wanted an example of a "Hollywood Liberal" on the list, De Niro?
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Old 25th October 2018, 06:14 AM   #366
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
What are the possibilities?

1. A crazed right winger getting back at all the Dems who have gone after Trump Supporters

2. A Liberal who is trying to make the Trump Supporters look bad by targeting Dems who have targeted Trump.

3. An Isis (or other terrorist group) plot to only scare Dems who have gone after Trump.

4. A non political Crazy person who thought he would throw a wrench in the mid term election frenzy.


3 is a non-starter for me, I think at least one would have blown up if this was the case.
1 and 4, I think at least one would have blown up, or at least been functional.

2 is the only one who would have intentionally sent a non-functional device in my opinion.

Please add other possibilities if I'm leaving any out.
I don't at all follow your reasoning to think option 1 is not a strong possibility.

Personally I think a crazy right winger is the most likely but option 2 is also a real possibility.
Although I notice your option one leaves the president, Fox News etc without any possibility as the cause.

A terrorist organization looking to cause strife, fear and discord is also possible.

You left off Putin getting even for people speaking ill of his buddy.

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Old 25th October 2018, 06:15 AM   #367
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Famous politicians receive death threats. The idea that these were not real bombs don't make them more suspect than the regular death threats.
*Groans, takes a shot of Whiskey because I know I'm gonna regret this*

Please enlighten us Bob, how where they not real bombs?
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Old 25th October 2018, 06:19 AM   #368
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Okay I "get" all the Democratic leaders and George Soros. Those have been boogeyman for the far right for years.

But De Niro? That's sort of out of left field. Even if the bomber just wanted an example of a "Hollywood Liberal" on the list, De Niro?
Probably because of this.
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Old 25th October 2018, 06:21 AM   #369
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So we are up to 8?

a lot of work for one guy.
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Old 25th October 2018, 06:22 AM   #370
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
*Groans, takes a shot of Whiskey because I know I'm gonna regret this*

Please enlighten us Bob, how where they not real bombs?
Not a single one has exploded. If I make 9 chairs, and not a single one has a person sit on before it falls apart, I never make a real chair.

ETA: but the point is, the post I was responding to called them non functional. My point was non functional doesn't make it less likely to be a conservative because death threats without actual violence is common against famous people. I'm assuming the position taken by the arguer rather than substituting different assumptions.

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Old 25th October 2018, 06:25 AM   #371
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
So we are up to 8?

a lot of work for one guy.
Pipe bombs aren't exactly high tech. You can crank them out pretty fast.
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Old 25th October 2018, 06:25 AM   #372
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
What are the possibilities?

1. A crazed right winger getting back at all the Dems who have gone after Trump Supporters

2. A Liberal who is trying to make the Trump Supporters look bad by targeting Dems who have targeted Trump.

3. An Isis (or other terrorist group) plot to only scare Dems who have gone after Trump.

4. A non political Crazy person who thought he would throw a wrench in the mid term election frenzy.


3 is a non-starter for me, I think at least one would have blown up if this was the case.
1 and 4, I think at least one would have blown up, or at least been functional.

2 is the only one who would have intentionally sent a non-functional device in my opinion.

Please add other possibilities if I'm leaving any out.
I think you're leaving out someone who understands the concept of how a bomb works, but doesn't know enough to put a working one together, & luckily was too delusional to look for plans in how to do so. (Or dumb enough to trust someone who was LOLz special forces swearsies realsies.)
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Old 25th October 2018, 06:26 AM   #373
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Not a single one has exploded. If I make 9 chairs, and not a single one has a person sit on before it falls apart, I never make a real chair.

ETA: but the point is, the post I was responding to called them non functional. My point was non functional doesn't make it less likely to be a conservative because death threats without actual violence is common against famous people.
*Closes my eyes and sighs* I knew it was gonna be nonsensical and yet I'm still surprised.
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Old 25th October 2018, 06:27 AM   #374
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Not a single one has exploded. If I make 9 chairs, and not a single one has a person sit on before it falls apart, I never make a real chair.

ETA: but the point is, the post I was responding to called them non functional. My point was non functional doesn't make it less likely to be a conservative because death threats without actual violence is common against famous people.
For the law, the relevant question is in the perception of the victim: it's still a robbery when you are the only one knowing that you have no bullets in your gun.
And it is still terror if you scare people with only seemingly functional bombs.
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Old 25th October 2018, 06:29 AM   #375
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I think you're leaving out someone who understands the concept of how a bomb works, but doesn't know enough to put a working one together, & luckily was too delusional to look for plans in how to do so. (Or dumb enough to trust someone who was LOLz special forces swearsies realsies.)
A very real possibility.
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Official word is, the bombs were functional. That none of them exploded can be seen as lucky by normal people or evidence of a false flag by morons. There have been no non-functional bombs found thus far from what I've heard, so let's drop that off-topic tangent.
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People thought the Washington naval yard shooting was terrorism. It wasn't.
Still no.
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Old 25th October 2018, 06:32 AM   #378
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
For the law, the relevant question is in the perception of the victim: it's still a robbery when you are the only one knowing that you have no bullets in your gun.
And it is still terror if you scare people with only seemingly functional bombs.
But drewbots position wasnt about the law. Rather than argue about the functionality of the bomb, I focused on the idea that drewbots conclusion doesn't follow from drewbots premise.
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Old 25th October 2018, 06:33 AM   #379
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Official word is, the bombs were functional. That none of them exploded can be seen as lucky by normal people or evidence of a false flag by morons. There have been no non-functional bombs found thus far from what I've heard, so let's drop that off-topic tangent.
What did they mean by functional?

I also haven't found a credible source yet. The only thing I found was from Cuomo. Do we have an official statement?

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What are the possibilities?

1. A crazed right winger getting back at all the Dems who have gone after Trump Supporters

2. A Liberal who is trying to make the Trump Supporters look bad by targeting Dems who have targeted Trump.

3. An Isis (or other terrorist group) plot to only scare Dems who have gone after Trump.

4. A non political Crazy person who thought he would throw a wrench in the mid term election frenzy.


3 is a non-starter for me, I think at least one would have blown up if this was the case.
1 and 4, I think at least one would have blown up, or at least been functional.

2 is the only one who would have intentionally sent a non-functional device in my opinion.

Please add other possibilities if I'm leaving any out.
You missed "A Trump Supporter who is about as bright as a hatstand, but believes that is going after America's enemies."

The problem you have listening to the Rightwing media is that they are pushing that these devices weren't functional because none detonated. However the authorities are saying the exact opposite, that the bombs were poorly designed, but functional.

They weren't sophisticated by any stretch of the imagination, and were just simple pipe bombs with a digital timer, but that doesn't mean that they weren't actually dangerous, as certain people are claiming.

They were PVC pipes filled with the pyrotechnic powder from fireworks, capped and with wires from a digital timer to provide a spark to ignite the powder. The powder was also mixed with metal shrapnel.

It's clear that the builder did not have a lot of knowledge about building bombs, nor a lot of access to the materials, there were no blasting caps or high explosive for example, but for an example of what these simple fireworks pipe bombs can do, have a look at the following video.

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This one is even better in that if you watch to the end you'll see the damage it does to the ground, and them planting a second one

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He said mainstream media. Check his tweets. I'm on my phone.
OK, if this is the one you're referring to, he definitely says 'fake news'

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A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News.
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Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
I doubt if you can be charged with "attempted murder" for mailing something harmless. Perhaps there is some law pertaining to "implied threat." Don't know.

Whatever the case, when they do finally catch the Democrats that did this, maybe a few years in prison will set their minds right.
Still desperately clinging to that narrative, Sling? LMFAO!
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Functional in the sense that if you lit the fuses they would shoot fireworks.
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...ews-fake-bombs
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Functional in the sense that if you lit the fuses they would shoot fireworks.
You're about 12 hours behind TBD, try getting caught up, the bomb from CNN was X-Rayed, it didn't have fireworks mortars, it had PVC caps with putty over them.
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Functional in the sense that if you lit the fuses they would shoot fireworks.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...istics-n923951

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Senior technicians briefed on the case said that the aspiring bomber had all the components necessary to set off a successful explosion.
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NBC is reporting that 10 packages have been found.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tom_Winte...48533246136320
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Still desperately clinging to that narrative, Sling? LMFAO!
It's just like if I rob a bank with a gun, but later on it is revealed it wasn't loaded. That's totally not a crime or anything. No harm, no foul.
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So if a Muslim kid brings a digital clock to a school, it's a bomb.

If an actual literal bomb is mailed to a Democrat, it's not a bomb.

Okay, good, glad we're cleared that up.
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OK, if this is the one you're referring to, he definitely says 'fake news'
You're right. He said both.

I'm sure portraying the media as the cause of all this is going to calm things down and it will end well.
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Official word is, the bombs were functional. That none of them exploded can be seen as lucky by normal people or evidence of a false flag by morons. There have been no non-functional bombs found thus far from what I've heard, so let's drop that off-topic tangent.
Making a letter bomb is fairly difficult. Pipe bombs are easy, but making a trigger mechanism that actually detonates at the right moment can be complicated. Hell, it took the Unabomber a few tries to get it right and that guy was a genius.

There is nothing suspicious at all that all these bombs failed to detonate as intended.
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Functional in the sense that if you lit the fuses they would shoot fireworks.
Are you ill?

You missed the lol and laughing dog...
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Do we seriously have people arguing that these bombs "don't count" because they didn't go off?

Seriously?

I mean I know it is true, I can see people literally arguing that, but...
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So if a Muslim kid brings a digital clock to a school, it's a bomb.

If an actual literal bomb is mailed to a Democrat, it's not a bomb.

Okay, good, glad we're cleared that up.
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Old 25th October 2018, 07:04 AM   #395
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Do we seriously have people arguing that these bombs "don't count" because they didn't go off?

Seriously?

I mean I know it is true, I can see people literally arguing that, but...
Depends on what you mean by don't count. I don't know if anyone is arguing about a legal sense. There is certainly an existential question if they count.
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Old 25th October 2018, 07:06 AM   #396
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Do we seriously have people arguing that these bombs "don't count" because they didn't go off?

Seriously?

I mean I know it is true, I can see people literally arguing that, but...
It's what we mean when we talk about Trumpists not living in reality.
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Old 25th October 2018, 07:12 AM   #397
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
So we are up to 8?

a lot of work for one guy.
Not really. I doubt it takes half an hour to put one together, if you have bothered to gather up the components. Half a workday to make them, another half to mail them from different locations.
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Old 25th October 2018, 07:15 AM   #398
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
Not really. I doubt it takes half an hour to put one together, if you have bothered to gather up the components. Half a workday to make them, another half to mail them from different locations.
Yep, too much work if I don't get paid.
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Old 25th October 2018, 07:17 AM   #399
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They definitely count.

It depends if the guy they trace them to purposely built them so they wouldn't explode, or if he was just incompetent.
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Old 25th October 2018, 07:24 AM   #400
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
They definitely count.

It depends if the guy they trace them to purposely built them so they wouldn't explode, or if he was just incompetent.
You're speculating far beyond evidence.

Reports say they were functional.

None of them actually exploded.

Nothing indicates that they could not explode, which you seem to be clinging to.

ETA: Also, the construction of the devices clearly points to a lack of experience/incompetence. It's possible that was intentional, but not probable.

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