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Old 29th October 2018, 10:32 PM   #1481
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Now the kooks are saying Sayoc is a Manchurian Candidate ie a disposable patsy !

Hogwash !

How do we prove it aint so?
Classic MK Ultra mind control - the Deep State is up to its old tricks.
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Old 29th October 2018, 10:35 PM   #1482
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Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
That may have been what drove him over the edge -- seeing Horseface naked. Oh, the Humanity!
He worked there the past two months; she was there in April. I remember when Townhall was one of the preeminent "conservative" sites. Looks like the place has gone to hell.
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Old 30th October 2018, 12:10 AM   #1483
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Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
That may have been what drove him over the edge -- seeing Horseface naked. Oh, the Humanity!

What is his point - apart from emulating his idol by recycling one of his more childish and misogynist nicknames? That this other bomb-bastling Trump fan is a frustrated incel who freaks out at the sight of a naked woman? (By they way, did he send her bombs, too?)


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Old 30th October 2018, 01:03 AM   #1484
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
What is his point - apart from emulating his idol by recycling one of his more childish and misogynist nicknames? That this other bomb-bastling Trump fan is a frustrated incel who freaks out at the sight of a naked woman? (By they way, did he send her bombs, too?)


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Trump blatantly lying at that rally about the NY Stock Exchange being opened the day after 9/11 is just another example of how little regard he has for the truth. And some people wonder why his press coverage is so bad. It's because what he does is so bad.
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Old 30th October 2018, 12:09 PM   #1485
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Pittsburgh Rabbi Receives Hate Mail for Saying He’d Be Honored to Meet Trump

"When I first said that the president was welcome, I’ve received a lot of emails, too numerous to count. I’ve received many that are not happy with those words. Those emails contain hate."

-- Rabbi Jeffrey Myers (Oct 30, 2018)

Sending hate mail to a Rabbi. Exactly what you would expect from the 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' loonies of the Democrat/Antifa Party.
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Old 30th October 2018, 12:09 PM   #1486
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Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
Sending hate mail to a Rabbi. Exactly what you would expect from the 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' loonies of the Democrat/Antifa Party.
Gee, crazy people acting crazy!

I guess the far-right isn't alone in having them.
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Old 30th October 2018, 02:21 PM   #1487
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Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
Sending hate mail to a Rabbi. Exactly what you would expect from the 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' loonies of the Democrat/Antifa Party.

S&A seems to confuse people who hate Trump with people who hate Jews.
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S&A seems to confuse people who hate Trump with people who hate Jews.
What do you expect from someone who keeps linking Antifa to the Democratic Party, with no support for such a link whatsoever? It's just pure trollery.
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What do you expect from someone who keeps linking Antifa to the Democratic Party, with no support for such a link whatsoever? It's just pure trollery.
Are you sure? It very well could be a plain case of "There's no evidence because the Fake News just isn't covering it!"
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Old 30th October 2018, 05:27 PM   #1490
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What do you expect from someone who keeps linking Antifa to the Democratic Party, with no support for such a link whatsoever? It's just pure trollery.
Are you saying the poster that routinely cites Sandy Hook truthers, the stupidest man on the internet and Charlie Diapers has credibility issues? Who could have seen that coming?
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Old 30th October 2018, 08:08 PM   #1491
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Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
That may have been what drove him over the edge -- seeing Horseface naked. Oh, the Humanity!
Ha ha! Political satire, that is.

It's funny when you call a woman ugly. Really funny.
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Old 30th October 2018, 08:37 PM   #1492
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Classic MK Ultra mind control - the Deep State is up to its old tricks.
I think they're onto something.

At this point who knows how many of their fellow MAGAhatters, Trumpmobile drivers, and avid rally attendees, who stand right next to them chanting "Lock her up!" and "CNN sucks" right on cue, are secretly liberal Deep State Soros-planted agents just waiting for the right command to attack some liberals and make Trump supporters look bad? Keep your enemies closer, isn't that how the saying goes? "The snake in the grass?"

I think Trump supporters everywhere need to be increasingly vigilant, and work hard to actively identify and expose the traitors hiding in plain sight and red caps among them.
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Old 30th October 2018, 09:51 PM   #1493
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I was informed this afternoon by the FBI that I was targeted by Cesar Sayoc. I applaud the hard working men and women of the FBI for his arrest and their continuing investigation. At some point, Trump will be held accountable for his role in the events of the last few weeks."

-- Michael Avenatti (Oct 30, 2018)

"Avenatti did not respond to questions from The Hill about whether a suspicious package was addressed to him or whether Sayoc intended to send one, or about what role he believes Trump played in the string of bomb threats."

-- The Hill (Oct 30, 2018)
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Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
Sending hate mail to a Rabbi. Exactly what you would expect from the 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' loonies of the Democrat/Antifa Party.
The rabbi did welcome a cancer, something low, base, immoral, vile and unhygienic into their neighborhood to disrupt the funerals. They have a right to be angry about that. I wouldn't want his kind around if one of the victims were a member of my family.
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"Avenatti did not respond to questions from The Hill about whether a suspicious package was addressed to him or whether Sayoc intended to send one, or about what role he believes Trump played in the string of bomb threats."

-- The Hill (Oct 30, 2018)
It's pretty obvious; the bomber's van pretty well clears that up.
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It's funny when you call a woman ugly. Really funny.

Especially when it is a woman that S&A's idol Trump is so attracted to. It was funny when she pointed out that Trump calling her Horseface implies that he is into bestiality!
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Are you sure? It very well could be a plain case of "There's no evidence because the Fake News just isn't covering it!"

Is there any real difference between that and trollery?
Is this a case of trollery - or is it a case of somebody who honestly fears that the Fake News won't cover it correctly? (Did it, by the way, cover it correctly, the Fake News? I guess S&A will never answer that question.)
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Old 31st October 2018, 01:58 AM   #1498
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Sending hate mail to a Rabbi. Exactly what you would expect from the 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' loonies of the Democrat/Antifa Party.

Isn't it high time that you realize that what you would expect from what you refer to as "the loonies of the Democrat/Antifa Party" is usually the exact opposite of what is actually going on? I.e. that the perpetrators are usually loonies from the Trump/Alt-Right Party?
Do you feel proud of your predictions so far?!
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Gee, crazy people acting crazy!

I guess the far-right isn't alone in having them.

The far-right is somewhat unique in the lengths they go to to embrace and welcome them, and excuse or deny their crimes and misdeeds.
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The far-right is somewhat unique in the lengths they go to to embrace and welcome them, and excuse or deny their crimes and misdeeds.
Yes, it's like, "We want angry bigots to vote for us, but not the crazy ones of course."
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Especially when it is a woman that S&A's idol Trump is so attracted to. It was funny when she pointed out that Trump calling her Horseface implies that he is into bestiality!
Well, we already knew he was into piss. I suspect there's no depraved act Trump wouldn't try.
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BTW plead guilty and cried in court

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Awwww...Poor as - guy...
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How was he supposed to know that posting explosives to people, including prominent government representatives, could cause so much trouble?

And he's just a kid too. Are you going to tell me YOU never did dumb things when you were (*checks*) 57?
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Cesar Sayoc has been sentenced to 20 years in prison for his mailbomb spree against Democrat politicians and famous progressives.
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Cesar Sayoc has been sentenced to 20 years in prison for his mailbomb spree against Democrat politicians and famous progressives.
... way below the Sentencing Guidelines.
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... way below the Sentencing Guidelines.
Sentencing guidelines for a real letter bomb, or for a fake letter bomb?
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Sentencing guidelines for a real letter bomb, or for a fake letter bomb?
We know they were real bombs.
The fact that they might not have been wired to blow doesn't change the fact that they could have exploded in the wrong circumstances.
If you only want to send a warning don't send actual explosives.
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... way below the Sentencing Guidelines.
Minimum was 10 years. The guy plead guilty, and apparently has mental health issues. Prosecutors asked for minimum + 10 and got exactly that.

Where's the issue?
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Minimum was 10 years. The guy plead guilty, and apparently has mental health issues. Prosecutors asked for minimum + 10 and got exactly that.

Where's the issue?

Not exactly.

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As Rakoff read his decision, Sayoc placed his head down on the defense table and sobbed into his hands. He then gestured a cross with his right hand, lifted his head to the ceiling and mouthed, "Thank you."

After a 90-minute sentencing hearing that included testimony from two doctors about Sayoc's state-of-mind, the judge determined a life sentence was "inappropriate" and a 10-year mandatory minimum was not enough. Prosecutors recommended a life sentence plus 10 years to set an example.

Seems like the judge was a bit more sympathetic to the mental issues than the prosecution.

Given that it was a consideration at all, I'mm not sure that twenty years in prison with a follow-up of outpatient mental health treatment is an appropriate treatment regimen.

Using our prisons as mental illness treatment storage facilities isn't a policy I find appropriate.

Profitable, perhaps, but maybe not the best solution for the mentally ill.
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Not exactly.

From the link above;

Seems like the judge was a bit more sympathetic to the mental issues than the prosecution.

Given that it was a consideration at all, I'mm not sure that twenty years in prison with a follow-up of outpatient mental health treatment is an appropriate treatment regimen.

Using our prisons as mental illness treatment storage facilities isn't a policy I find appropriate.

Profitable, perhaps, but maybe not the best solution for the mentally ill.
There seemed to be a bit of conversation during the sentencing hearing about the ability of the bombs he sent to actually detonate. Though the bomb contained explosive material, there was essentially no way for them to be detonated as built by our aspiring terrorist.

There was some discussion whether Sayoc was a competent enough bomb maker to make functional bombs and chose not to. Seems his defense was trying to argue he chose not to in order to argue for a less severe sentence.

I'm guessing the judge was convinced that Sayoc did not intend to murder any of his targets, thus the lighter sentence.

With any luck he'll die or be so infirm of old age by the time of release we don't have to worry about him again.

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BTW plead guilty and cried in court

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How was he supposed to know that posting explosives to people, including prominent government representatives, could cause so much trouble?

And he's just a kid too. Are you going to tell me YOU never did dumb things when you were (*checks*) 57?
Surely they can't throw him in jail. They'd ruin the life of this poor handsome young man!
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We know they were real bombs.
The fact that they might not have been wired to blow doesn't change the fact that they could have exploded in the wrong circumstances.
If you only want to send a warning don't send actual explosives.
We've already discussed this. I'm not seeing any new arguments.

Without a trigger and a detonator, I don't consider it a real bomb. These things were not designed, built, or intended to explode. They were intended to frighten. That is a heinous crime that deserves severe punishment. Which it got. I just don't think it deserves the same punishment as attempted murder, which is what a real letter bomb would be.

It's kind of a moot point, though, since apparently he did get the minimum sentence plus some.
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