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Old 24th October 2018, 12:33 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
The packages were real bombs, aimed at hurting real persons.
I don't think that that has been confirmed yet.

Originally Posted by TofuFighter
Kinda weird putting a sticker on something you expect to explode.
The white powder is weird too unless it's a poison meant to scatter when a bomb explodes.

Maybe none of this stuff is functional and is only meant to scare.
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Old 24th October 2018, 12:33 PM   #162
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The labeling a bomb as ISIS is the kind of idiocy a Trumper would do thinking that they would trick people into thinking ISIS did it.
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Old 24th October 2018, 12:34 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
The labeling a bomb as ISIS is the kind of idiocy a Trumper would do thinking that they would trick people into thinking ISIS did it.
It's a double-double false flag!
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Old 24th October 2018, 12:35 PM   #164
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at least some of the bombs would have exploded if this was an ISIS attack.
Pretty sure of that.
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Or maybe it wasn't actually ISIS who put it there. I don't think ISIS has any particular favorite in US politics.

I'd put better odds on it being someone from this forum than ISIS. Gawd knows we've got our fair share of wingnut wackos here.
Maybe, still may be ISIS also. We don't know. Soros is Jewish and powerful.
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Old 24th October 2018, 12:36 PM   #166
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
I don't think that that has been confirmed yet.


The white powder is weird too unless it's a poison meant to scatter when a bomb explodes.

Maybe none of this stuff is functional and is only meant to scare.
Described as crude but functional, IIRC.
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Old 24th October 2018, 12:37 PM   #167
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Sorry, are you suggesting that it's appropriate to attempt to assassinate one's political opponents? We shouldn't be horrified at such attempts?

There were no significant consequences from Trump suggesting that his supporters should assassinate Hillary during the campaign. This is just a little farther.
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Old 24th October 2018, 12:37 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Where's the ISIS flag, the black bit with the white squiggles? Is there a higher res image as when I try to zoom in on that there isn't enough detail to clearly make it out?
here is another view.

https://twitter.com/TAPAlerts/status...66869290790917

By the way, the device seems really small.
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It is just as likely that one of the CNN talking heads, or their supporters, sent this, so they could go on air to say that it was a Trumper, but it was really to try to shed the JobsNotMobs slogan that is killing them right now. "Look! The trumpers are Mobs too"
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
Maybe, still may be ISIS also. We don't know. Soros is Jewish and powerful.
Lots of people in the US hate Jews as well, and they also happen to hate the other would-be victims.
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Old 24th October 2018, 12:39 PM   #171
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
It is just as likely that one of the CNN talking heads, or their supporters, sent this, so they could go on air to say that it was a Trumper, but it was really to try to shed the JobsNotMobs slogan that is killing them right now. "Look! The trumpers are Mobs too"
Yes, just as likely.

Especially since they aren't saying it's a "Trumper" on air.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, bud.
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Might also be an ISIS flag as part of the message to the recipients, accusing them of being aligned to ISIS. I know first hand in the first Gulf war of at least one missile painted with Saddam's face, and a message written to him. The same thing was done with bombs in prior wars, I believe.
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Old 24th October 2018, 12:41 PM   #173
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Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys View Post
I never assumed it was meant to be a joke. Making wagers on serious, potentially life-threatening events is just as classless. Great you won, now tell that to the victim.
Your screen name is Bouncing Bettys
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Old 24th October 2018, 12:41 PM   #174
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Or maybe it wasn't actually ISIS who put it there. I don't think ISIS has any particular favorite in US politics.

I'd put better odds on it being someone from this forum than ISIS. Gawd knows we've got our fair share of wingnut wackos here.
So you think a few people who think Fauxcahontas is a fake Indian are more likely to be terrorist mail-bombers than an actual group of animals who have been slaughtering innocent people for years in every way imaginable? Perhaps you need to get out more.
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
It is just as likely that one of the CNN talking heads, or their supporters, sent this, so they could go on air to say that it was a Trumper, but it was really to try to shed the JobsNotMobs slogan that is killing them right now. "Look! The trumpers are Mobs too"
Come up with that on your own?
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Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys View Post
Offended by a joke?

Anyway, congrats on your faux horror. We all totally bought it.
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Come up with that on your own?
Think that came from Fox News.
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Old 24th October 2018, 12:45 PM   #178
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So is this something like the post-9/11 anthrax false flag where the letter some mad scientist wrote said something like "allahu akhbar death to Israel and Yankistan!!11 homies"?

I guess the fineprint here reads "Hillary **** smells fishy, murikkka great a gain"? Or is it even lamer?
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It appears the one sent to CNN also had a picture of John Brennan on the device.
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Old 24th October 2018, 12:46 PM   #180
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So you think a few people who think Fauxcahontas is a fake Indian are more likely to be terrorist mail-bombers than an actual group of animals who have been slaughtering innocent people for years in every way imaginable? Perhaps you need to get out more.
The Saudis?
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Old 24th October 2018, 12:48 PM   #181
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The media here is flying the false narrative that rhetoric on both sides is what catalyzed this.
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
The Saudis?
The KKK? Oh wait, they are terrorists who would use such an insult.
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Old 24th October 2018, 12:50 PM   #183
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In all seriousness, I don't think that's actually the ISIS flag. I think it's an imitation of the image. Someone on Twitter posted this and, as ridiculous as the image is, I think that's closer to what's on the device. (slightly NSFW)
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It appears that the "explosive" devices on the end are fireworks mortars

see, just as an example... https://keystonefireworks.com/shop/m...illery-shells/
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So you think a few people who think Fauxcahontas is a fake Indian are more likely to be terrorist mail-bombers than an actual group of animals who have been slaughtering innocent people for years in every way imaginable? Perhaps you need to get out more.

Failed attempt at downplaying the minds' of nutjobs... no matter which side of the aisle said nutjob may sit on.

Perhaps you need to get out more.
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Such a tiny device means picture for ants.
These guys, whoever they are, had a very bad original concept and, it was carried out poorly. This bombing attempt was the worst in the history of bombing attempts.

I haven't checked to see if I can find out whether the other devices that are being talked about are identical or very similar to this one, but with such a large, relatively, number of devices, if that is true, the people who sent these must surely be easier to track.
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In all seriousness, I don't think that's actually the ISIS flag. I think it's an imitation of the image. Someone on Twitter posted this and, as ridiculous as the image is, I think that's closer to what's on the device. (slightly NSFW)
Brooklyn, you still think ISIS is the most likely culprit?
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In all seriousness, I don't think that's actually the ISIS flag. I think it's an imitation of the image. Someone on Twitter posted this and, as ridiculous as the image is, I think that's closer to what's on the device. (slightly NSFW)


Wow, that is correct...
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Brooklyn, you still think ISIS is the most likely culprit?
She is likely torn between three options:

1. It was ISIS.
2. It was liberals.
3. ISIS is liberals.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
here is another view.

https://twitter.com/TAPAlerts/status...66869290790917

By the way, the device seems really small.
It honestly looks more like this parody of the ISIS flag:

ISIS Threatens Revenge for Counterfeit Flags

Look at the center of the "Arabic" writing in the image in your twitter link. The three center characters are near mirror images - like in the parody flag.

(ETA: Got spanked by Scum. There's a joke in there somewhere, give me time....)

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Brooklyn, you still think ISIS is the most likely culprit?
No, I didn't say that. To sum it up -- like I used to tell people in the JonBenet case -- this isn't a game of Clue. Suspects aren't limited to people whose names you know.
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The ISIS flag itself is such a crude insult to Arabic calligraphy. A total mockery.
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It honestly looks more like this parody of the ISIS flag:

ISIS Threatens Revenge for Counterfeit Flags

Look at the center of the "Arabic" writing in the image in your twitter link. The three center characters are near mirror images - like in the parody flag.

(ETA: Got spanked by Scum. There's a joke in there somewhere, give me time....)
Yes, I agree that it is a parody of the ISIS flag. Good catch!

here is a tweet with a better pic showing the other side of the device. Those are clearly fireworks on the ends.

https://twitter.com/The_Earl_GH/stat...81535203205120
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I bet the perp is a Trumper.
Probably from the Qanon/pizzagate end of spectrum.
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well, the one sent to CNN is clearly a hoax device.

That of course does not answer who sent it
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Not only is this person(s) the world's most incompetent serial bomber... they don't even know how to make a proper vector graphic with enough points and paths to give it a nice smoothness around all the curves.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
here is another view.

https://twitter.com/TAPAlerts/status...66869290790917

By the way, the device seems really small.
Knock it off, we've already received a harsh warning over the Anthony Weiner jokes.
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Probably from the Qanon/pizzagate end of spectrum.
Why? The whole argument if Qanon is Trump is running the most successful investigation in history. What would a bombing do?
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Not only is this person(s) the world's most incompetent serial bomber... they don't even know how to make a proper vector graphic with enough points and paths to give it a nice smoothness around all the curves.
From the comments:

Quote:
This is coordinated effort is signature “Weather Underground” ...

But ... I go to their website everyday to check my local weather! They seemed like such a nice website.
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To the surprise of nobody, Alex Jones is yelling False Flag over this.
Statred a thread in Conspiracy theories about this.
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