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Old 10th April 2019, 10:37 AM   #41
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Your reply wasn't in agreement with anything I'd said.
Well I assumed you disagreed with the bit you quoted from the OP. So I agreed with you by openly disagreeing with The Atheist. What's the problem here?
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Old 10th April 2019, 10:45 AM   #42
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It's not the planet that needs saving, it's homo sapiens, but I'm afraid it's too late. I think there's a universal law that "intelligent" civilizations do themselves in, and we're on the wrong side of the turning point. If anyone does visit this planet someday, perhaps they'll find the skeleton of the last human, still clinging to his sticks and bonds.
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It is amusing how some people seem to take great joy in putting on a act of total despair.
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And to the OP: Mind your own damn business. I feel like seeking out some Kiwi Politican and urge them to stand for PM just in retalitation.
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Well I assumed you disagreed with the bit you quoted from the OP. So I agreed with you by openly disagreeing with The Atheist. What's the problem here?
Ah, no. I was responding to The_Animus's request for elaboration on why it has to be Michelle Obama. There's actually some of elaboration in the OP, and I gave one example. I figure it's up to The_Animus to decide whether or not he agrees with that example (or any of the other elaboration). He's the one that asked for it, after all. I assume he'll want to discuss it now that he knows where to find it. Me? Not so much.

I'd apologize for the confusion, but I don't think I actually caused any. You accidentally read an opinion that wasn't present in my post, is all. Could happen to anyone. No harm, no foul. Carry on!

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It would give Trump the unique achievement of having beaten not one, but two former First Ladies.
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Old 10th April 2019, 12:01 PM   #46
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I think is HAS to be a Democrat.

The puss-filled wound that is Donald Trump needs to be excised and cauterised. What the orange bastard has done has to be brought into the light - he has to be exposed to the world for the criminal piece of **** that he is. A Republican will NEVER, EVER to that, they will only be interested in covering it all up and pretending none of it ever happened. (Look up Proclamation 4311, on September 8, 1974). That is what we can expect to see if a Republican other than Trump is elected president.
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Under 35.

and if you think AOC is not intelligent, think again. She is intelligent enough that the Old White Men of the GOP are bloody terrified of her. She is also very savvy, very smart, and has a CRAPLOAD of young people behind her... they are the future of the world, and it will be theirs soon enough.

The world is a changin'; people like Trump, McConnell, Schumer, Nadler, Grassley, Meadows... they will be distant memories, irrelevancies consigned to the bad old days.
I'm one of those Old White Men myself, but I can see what's coming. Our children, our grandchildren and our great-grandchildren will look back at what we did in our tenure as custodians of this planet, and they they will not look upon us kindly for what we have done.


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I don't think Michelle Obama as US President is a silly idea. She is eminently more qualified for the job than the steaming pile of criminal excrement currently squatting at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave... for starters, she is actually a member of the human race, which means she would never endorse or allow a policy of dragging children away from their parents and locking them up in cages.
I think your posts might be sillier than the OP. The Old white men(and Women) who are most afraid of her are all in the Democratic party. The GOP loves running against her and desperately hope she is the face of the Dems in the upcoming elections. Also, what makes you think the Dems have any more interest in holding presidents accountable for alleged crimes than the GOP? Have they done so at any time in the last 50 years?

As to the OP, hard to imagine that Michelle O would be any worse than the current occupant but why her? She hasn't shown any interest that I'm aware of nor is she particularly qualified, based on resume alone, less so than the current occupant. I'd guess here political ideas would be similar to her husbands but that is just a high probability guess. I am really curious why anyone would think she is the "one" that can save us.

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Old 10th April 2019, 12:48 PM   #47
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As to the OP, hard to imagine that Michelle O would be any worse than the current occupant but why her? She hasn't shown any interest that I'm aware of nor is she particularly qualified, based on resume alone, less so than the current occupant. I'd guess here political ideas would be similar to her husbands but that is just a high probability guess. I am really curious why anyone would think she is the "one" that can save us.
It's hard to avoid the suspicion that it's partly a desire to do an end run around the two term limit on the Presidency. Enough with the dynasties, already.
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Some people here should really go for information about US Politics to more sources then trendy left wing pages.
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Old 10th April 2019, 01:30 PM   #49
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Mrs Obama has said she isn't the least bit interested in running for political office of any sort let alone the presidency. And she is a woman of her word. So it doesn't matter if you think she is the ultimate saviour or the ultimate joke. Ain't gonna happen. Pick on someone else.
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Old 10th April 2019, 05:49 PM   #50
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We might be able to pull off the road for awhile, but we're on a one-way trip on the highway to hell.
Yeah, I agree with that, which is why I put quotation marks over the save.

I think she - or another very good president can mitigate the change a little.

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What does a former first lady have to do with... literally anything that's happening right now?
She's enormously popular and has empathy for everyday people.

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Yes. and many think we have several good candidates running. Would you care to elaborate as to why she is the only one who can save us?
I've looked at the field as it stands right now; I've looked at other potential candidates; I don't see any of them beating Trump.

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And it's very clear that you see her as a messiah figure.
I can't help you with your comprehension skills, sorry.

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Also, you may have inadvertently put your real name in the OP. Was that intentional?
Of course it was deliberate.

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Now I understand why Aussies are always complaing about Kiwis having a moral superiourity complex,thinking themselves superior to everybody else.
Not think, know. NZ has always been superior in every aspect of human rights - to Australia and almost every other country on the planet.

What year did Australia, USA & Canada enfranchise non-whites? What year did you all allow women the vote? Which country provided the highest percentage of its population to WWI? Which country has had three female Prime Ministers? Which country had the first openly transgender member of parliament? Which countries currently have a self-confessed agnostic as leader?

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And to the OP: Mind your own damn business. I feel like seeking out some Kiwi Politican and urge them to stand for PM just in retalitation.
Haha! Be my guest - the National (conservative) Party would love to find someone who is 1/50th as popular as our current PM.
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Old 10th April 2019, 05:52 PM   #51
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I think your posts might be sillier than the OP. The Old white men(and Women) who are most afraid of her are all in the Democratic party. The GOP loves running against her and desperately hope she is the face of the Dems in the upcoming elections.
No, no, we're terrified that she will be the secret weapon that finally results in everybody voting for the Democrats. She's bright, she's young, she has a deep understanding of economics and politics, and she connects with young people. She seems destined to be a two-term president (possibly more if we repeal that amendment), and a Nobel prize winner in three categories (peace, economics and meteorology). Not only that but her daughter will probably find a cure for cancer.

Or, as Br'er Rabbit said, "Please don't throw me in the briar patch!"
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She's enormously popular and has empathy for everyday people.
That might work in New Zealand, but not here. Americans consider empathy to be a weakness, not a strength.

I hope Michelle Obama stays out of politics because it would only hurt her. But that's just my empathy speaking - which proves I am not a real American. Real Americans think she's a man.
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Is this Michell Obama relate to Barack Obama? His brother?
No, you missed the e on the person to whom you referred: Michelle Obama.
Also, I am pretty sure you meant related rather than relate
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That might work in New Zealand, but not here. Americans consider empathy to be a weakness, not a strength.
Empathy is appreciated even in America. But there's no evidence at all that Michelle Obama has any.
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Real Americans think she's a man.
If that's true, she'd be in the best-looking 3 or 4 guys I've ever seen.

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No, you missed the e on the person to whom you referred: Michelle Obama.
That was before the thread title was edited. I left the E out.

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Empathy is appreciated even in America. But there's no evidence at all that Michelle Obama has any.
Amazing what you don't see with your eyes shut. Or looking the other way.
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She hasn't shown any interest that I'm aware of nor is she particularly qualified, based on resume alone, less so than the current occupant.
How do you figure?

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She hasn't shown any interest that I'm aware of nor is she particularly qualified, based on resume alone, less so than the current occupant.
Ha!

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Empathy is appreciated even in America. But there's no evidence at all that Michelle Obama has any.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I agree she would make a decent president.



And she has the double whammy of bringing with her a partner who has been one and knows the ins and outs, and has her own personal experience as partner of one.



Just don't get why Atheist seems to imply it has to be a woman to fix the orange idiots mess.



Doesn't even have to be a democrat
Is she eligible, wasn't she born a male Muslim in Nigeria.....

Might as well start the ball rolling....
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Mrs Obama has said she isn't the least bit interested in running for political office of any sort let alone the presidency. And she is a woman of her word. So it doesn't matter if you think she is the ultimate saviour or the ultimate joke. Ain't gonna happen. Pick on someone else.
And if anything, I strongly suspect that her time as First Lady has only reinforced her decision to stay out of politics. Even putting aside the racist crap the current president spewed towards her husband, there were all of the ridiculous attacks on both her, and especially her daughters that she was clearly disgusted by.

Yes, I've seen the candidates the dems currently have. I see a number of candidates with good ideas, who are both willing and fully capable of being highly effective *if* we can also keep the house and retake the senate - it's also clear that the GOP is broken, and has little to go for it apart from handing money to the already wealthy, bigotry, and screaming about how horrible anything the dems try to do will be. Which isn't to say that Mango Mussolini can't win another term, since that's apparently enough for many people. But dems are best off with someone who stepped up already prepared, than with someone who wants nothing to do with it.
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It's hard to avoid the suspicion that it's partly a desire to do an end run around the two term limit on the Presidency. Enough with the dynasties, already.
Do you think it was a similar desire for Hillary and Bush junior?
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I've looked at the field as it stands right now; I've looked at other potential candidates; I don't see any of them beating Trump.
If the electorate cared about the truth more than about what they want to hear, a magic 8-ball could beat Trump.
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Empathy is appreciated even in America. But there's no evidence at all that Michelle Obama has any.
"Ok, how could I responde to that with a partisan statement?"
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b) Cortez seems like a nice person, but she was a bit late to the queing when they were handing out intelligence
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I actually think it's the other way round: She's highly intelligent, but divisive rather than nice.
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The idea of another dynasty presidency makes me sick. I'm just exhausted with the spouses or children of successful politicians gliding into positions of power solely on the residual popularity.

Michelle Obama seems like a swell lady. She has never held political office in her own right and has only served in a supporting role for another. She is, simply put, totally unqualified for such a high office. Maybe she should run for a lower office and generate a public identity besides "Obama's wife". Comparing her to AOC is an insult to AOC, who, you know, actually ran a winning political campaign on her own merits.
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How do you figure?
Being the first lady doesn't qualify you for anything other than event planning. Other than that, she was on the board of a non-profit and teacher I think. So, really not much of a resume that I'm aware. He had actually done stuff. Sure, he's willfully ignorant and an ******* but that doesn't generally get written on a resume. He lost me at the interview but I don't really see much reason to give her the interview in the first place.

Edit to add, don't get me wrong, I'd vote for her over Trump, its just she isn't actually qualified for the job. That was not meant as an endorsement of his orangeness.

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He had actually done stuff.
Who, Trump? He hasn't done much by himself, other than failures, and he has no public experience.
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I had surgery once. I suppose if the surgeon hadnít been there then I could have got his wife to do it. Thatís the same thing, right?

Or maybe we really have discovered how little the person in the Oval Office really matters. We have the Orange buffoon there now and the sky hasnít fallen. If he can do it then maybe the job really did require such a low level of expertise that you can literally put someoneís spouse in charge and expect no worse results. The corrollary is that you canít expect the president to save the world or much else I suppose.
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I had surgery once. I suppose if the surgeon hadnít been there then I could have got his wife to do it. Thatís the same thing, right?

Or maybe we really have discovered how little the person in the Oval Office really matters. We have the Orange buffoon there now and the sky hasnít fallen. If he can do it then maybe the job really did require such a low level of expertise that you can literally put someoneís spouse in charge and expect no worse results. The corrollary is that you canít expect the president to save the world or much else I suppose.
Maybe the separate branch isn't needed? We don't have it in parliamentary systems, after all.
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Do you think it was a similar desire for Hillary and Bush junior?
Yes with Hillary, not so much with Bush Jr since his dad wouldn't be literally living in the White House, but still some dynastic appeal I didn't like, and I was quite happy to see Jeb crater.
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And to the OP: Mind your own damn business. I feel like seeking out some Kiwi Politican and urge them to stand for PM just in retalitation.
You'd have to reach out to the spouse of a Kiwi politician for the analogy to work.
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"Ok, how could I responde to that with a partisan statement?" : rolleyes :
Rolleyes indeed. I replied to a bigoted statement in the spirit in which it was offered. But that bigotry didn't trigger you at all.
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If the electorate cared about the truth more than about what they want to hear, a magic 8-ball could beat Trump.
A magic 8-ball?

If the electorate cared about anything, a freshly steaming pile of infected vomit would beat him.

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You'd have to reach out to the spouse of a Kiwi politician for the analogy to work.
Haha! That's pretty good, but it falls apart when the by light-years the best-known and highest-profile spouse of a politician in this country is our First Bloke, Jacinda's man.

He's a popular fishing show host and broadcaster. I'd say if you asked a random 100 Kiwis to name a politician's spouse, 99 of them would answer Clark Gayford.
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Maybe the separate branch isn't needed? We don't have it in parliamentary systems, after all.
Thatís certainly one reason for the limits to any presidentís influence, yes. The two branches of government meant to check the executive.
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Being the first lady doesn't qualify you for anything other than event planning.
Which, in a way, a lot of life is about.

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Other than that, she was on the board of a non-profit and teacher I think. So, really not much of a resume that I'm aware.
Somehow you slidie right over her law degree from Harvard and work as an attorney.
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Which, in a way, a lot of life is about.
Not if you're doing it right. Very little of my life is about event planning.
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Not if you're doing it right. Very little of my life is about event planning.
In Russia, event plan you.
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In Russia, event plan you.
The first step to doing it right is, "don't be in Russia".
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