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Old 3rd August 2019, 02:40 PM   #1
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El Paso Shooter Identified Online As Trump Supporter Who Didn’t Like ‘Race Mixing’

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The suspect in a deadly mass shooting at a shopping mall in El Paso, Texas, on Saturday was widely identified on the internet as a young white man whose social media activity showed support and sympathy for the president’s apparent white nationalist agenda. The name and photos of a man purported to be Patrick Crusius quickly circulated across Twitter in the hours after the shooting that first began outside a Walmart store at Cielo Vista Mall was first reported. If those reports were accurate, Crusius, allegedly a Texas native, just turned 21 last week.
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I give it 48-72 hours for accurate information to come out. Not saying any of it here is incorrect.
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Old 3rd August 2019, 02:46 PM   #3
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I give it 48-72 hours for accurate information to come out. Not saying any of it here is incorrect.
Yep.
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19 dead, 40 injured according to France 24 reporting on numbers from NBC.

I think it's safe to say it was a lot of shooting.

Trump sends his thoughts and prayers. It's become a less than meaningless saying.

O'Rourke is choking up. Not to be mean but that smile never leaves his face, not just here, I mean all the time.
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I do not know if the person named above is actually the person involved, or whether the "manifesto" and/or social media accounts being attributed to that person are genuine. However, since the police actually have a living person in custody, I would say it will take less than 48 hours for an accurate identification to be officially released. Possibly even less than 24.
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I thought last week's incident in Gilroy would be addressed in a major fashion in the Democratic debates. I didn't watch them, but there were few sound bites that were featured regarding the issue (gun "violence", not gun "control").

The Parkland kids made some progress then seemed to disappear from the media reports. I'm sure they are still quite active. I am beside myself -- this keeps happening and nothing gets done. I was at a parade last night and spent a significant amount of time being on the lookout rather than just enjoying it.
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Old 3rd August 2019, 04:38 PM   #7
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Mass shootings have become so commonplace in the US that it's pathetic. Frankly, if I hear one more "our thoughts and prayers are with you" platitude come from a politician who does everything s/he can to fight stricter gun control laws and who doesn't support banning assault style weapons, I'm going to explode. Screw them and screw the idiots who think their right to own such weapons is more important than people's lives.

Edited to correct "they're" to "their". Typing too fast.

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Mass shootings have become so commonplace in the US that it's pathetic. Frankly, if I hear one more "our thoughts and prayers are with you" platitude come from a politician who does everything s/he can to fight stricter gun control laws and who doesn't support banning assault style weapons, I'm going to explode. Screw them and screw the idiots who think they're right to own such weapons is more important than people's lives.
This isn't just another mass shooting, tho. Like a couple of the previous ones, this is a terrorist attack. At least if early reports are to be believed.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Mass shootings have become so commonplace in the US that it's pathetic. Frankly, if I hear one more "our thoughts and prayers are with you" platitude come from a politician who does everything s/he can to fight stricter gun control laws and who doesn't support banning assault style weapons, I'm going to explode. Screw them and screw the idiots who think they're right to own such weapons is more important than people's lives.
This.

Kids should not have to die for the stupidity and cowardice of adults.
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The manifesto is weird because he clearly references a butt load of Trump rally rhetoric then explicitly says that we shouldn't blame Trump. Which seems like a kind of preemptive defense of someone he doesn't want harmed by his actions even though he inspired him.


Also we need to consider that it is entirely possible the manifesto is honest about how his views predated Trump but that Trump made him feel finally free to act on those views.
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The manifesto is weird because he clearly references a butt load of Trump rally rhetoric then explicitly says that we shouldn't blame Trump. Which seems like a kind of preemptive defense of someone he doesn't want harmed by his actions even though he inspired him.


Also we need to consider that it is entirely possible the manifesto is honest about how his views predated Trump but that Trump made him feel finally free to act on those views.
There seemed to be a good amount of "anti-corporatism" mixed in there. As well as some awareness that the environment has been substantially screwed up by previous generations (specifically, the "dying baby boomers").

Take out the segregationist drivel, and this could have been written by any disaffected Millenial.
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Take out the segregationist drivel, and this could have been written by any disaffected Millenial.
At 21 he likely is, but that doesn't mean you can't be both. It's quite possible that he saw White Supremacy as a solution for his being a disaffected Millennial.
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There seemed to be a good amount of "anti-corporatism" mixed in there. As well as some awareness that the environment has been substantially screwed up by previous generations (specifically, the "dying baby boomers").

Take out the segregationist drivel, and this could have been written by any disaffected Millenial.
Take out the antisemitic drivel and Mein Kampf could have been written by any disaffected German/Austrian in the 1920's.
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Take out the antisemitic drivel and Mein Kampf could have been written by any disaffected German/Austrian in the 1920's.
Of course. But Mein Kempf did not combine antisemitism with pro-communist sentiment.

It seems a little unexpected to find the attitudes of racial segregation sharing a screed with anti-corporatism and environmental consciousness. The murderer was coloring outside the lines when he filled in the "white supremacist" box.
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Of course. But Mein Kempf did not combine antisemitism with pro-communist sentiment.

It seems a little unexpected to find the attitudes of racial segregation sharing a screed with anti-corporatism and environmental consciousness. The murderer was coloring outside the lines when he filled in the "white supremacist" box.
No, Mein Kampf combined antisemitism with anti-communism.

Are you expecting someone who would go into a store and gun down dozens of strangers to "color within the lines"? And do white supremacists have a box they all fit?
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No, Mein Kampf combined antisemitism with anti-communism.

Are you expecting someone who would go into a store and gun down dozens of strangers to "color within the lines"? And do white supremacists have a box they all fit?
Sorry, the metaphor was not clear.

I don't usually expect a white supremacist to express anti-corporate views. The two outlooks typically link to opposite ideologies. The "manifesto" expressed both. Unexpected.
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Sorry, the metaphor was not clear.

I don't usually expect a white supremacist to express anti-corporate views. The two outlooks typically link to opposite ideologies. The "manifesto" expressed both. Unexpected.
There are white supremacists who would never actually hurt anyone. Their beliefs in white supremacy do not spill over into committing actual violence. They're big talkers. Those that do act out violently would likely commit violence to matter what their views on racial equality are. I suspect this guy is, frankly, a seriously disaffected youth with a history of multiple behavioral problems.
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Sorry, the metaphor was not clear.

I don't usually expect a white supremacist to express anti-corporate views. The two outlooks typically link to opposite ideologies. The "manifesto" expressed both. Unexpected.
You really haven't come across white nationalists who claim capitalism and big business is the tool of the Jews?

From what I have seen, anti-corporatism is quite common in those circles.
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You really haven't come across white nationalists who claim capitalism and big business is the tool of the Jews?

From what I have seen, anti-corporatism is quite common in those circles.
Indeed; one or more wealthy Jewish capitalists is usually invoked by name in their various conspiracy theories. Right now George Soros is their popular devil, allegedly bankrolling everything behind the scenes. And I do mean everything; Soros supposedly pays every single anti-Trump protester that exists, and was even accused of paying Central American refugees to leave their countries and form the infamous "invasion caravans" to the United States earlier this year/end of last year.
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I just read the manifesto. Predictably the MSM will ignore the textual evidence to push their own pre-conceived partisan narrative that he's a "right-winger." In fact, he's an environmentalist! Imagine that. The worst people in history have been environmentalists. Hitler, AOC, Thanos.
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I am betting even Trimp wishes these guys would stop doing this in the name of everything he promoted.

Some point un time will come where he cannot deny he helped create this mess.
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Some point un time will come where he cannot deny he helped create this mess.
That time will never come: Trump can deny what he said 10 seconds ago.
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It should be pointed out that the root of his animus towards corporations seems to be that he blames them for immigration because they see a diverse America as "profitable" and it angered him that white culture was going to die just because big business only cared about making money.


It was not your typical anti corporate take.
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Remember, if he does turn out to be a white supremacist, it's not a right wing terrorist act, it's merely yet another one off tragedy caused by someone with mental health issues (in stark contrast to any violence carried out by someone who has at some point in time expressed some kind of support for Antifa, BLM or who has said anything positive about Islam or criticised Israel in any way - they're obviously a leftist and/or Muslim terrorist ) and that there is nothing that could have been done to prevent it.

Remember, guns don't kill people, people with mental health issues kill people.
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I am betting even Trimp wishes these guys would stop doing this in the name of everything he promoted.

Some point un time will come where he cannot deny he helped create this mess.
I think he doesn't care that he's creating this mess. He revels in it. He only pays lip service in a vain attempt to feign empathy.
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I read the alleged manifesto; it is rather stupid. Typically the shooter blames the victims and has other strange ideas.

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It's worth pointing out that he's not just a Trump supporter, but someone who explicitly uses the same language as Trump ("send them back" and "invasion"), and who buys in to the narrative pushed by Fox News and other right-wing outlets that Americans are being replaced by immigrants.
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Ben Shapiro wrote: "The Obama administration is racist... The predictable result of [administration] polic[ies] will resemble the results of the 1876 election: federal abdication on racial violence, state abdication on racial violence and local abdication on racial violence. The next race war will come not from racist whites, but from racist blacks and Hispanics who feel empowered to act on their racism by an administration that excuses all minority misbehavior."

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I mean, he's half-right in a way. There's been an uptick in mass shootings by white supremacists (white supremacism accounts for more terrorism than any other group), and it's becoming increasingly clear that they feel empowered to act by an administration that excuses all right-wing behaviour.

This article makes the point that with the culture of places like 8chan that these white supremacists shouldn't be classified as the individual actors that they currently are, but that instead they should officially be designated as a terrorist organisation on a par with ISIS and Al Qaeda. I'm not sure I completely agree with the strength of that assertion*, but I think the general point is a valid one.

*It seems to me, if nothing else, that it's a very US-centric viewpoint which ignores the international reach and actions of ISIS and Al Qaeda. I find it hard to believe that taking all the actions by each group into account that the latter two don't have a much higher bodycount than the white supremacists.
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There are white supremacists who would never actually hurt anyone. Their beliefs in white supremacy do not spill over into committing actual violence. They're big talkers.

You are right! And that is how they encourage the shooters to shoot! With their big talk!

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Those that do act out violently would likely commit violence to matter what their views on racial equality are.

Likely?! Then how come they all seem to be white supremacists?

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I suspect this guy is, frankly, a seriously disaffected youth with a history of multiple behavioral problems.

So he's a seriously disaffected youth with multiple behavioral problems who just happens to be a white supremacist. That he also happens to be a mass shooter is pure coincidence.
Yeah, right!!!
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I mean, he's half-right in a way.

No, he is not in any way right. He is as wrong about everything as he could possibly be. The race war is being fought by racist whites, and they were encouraged to wage it by Ben Shapiro's and Donald Trump's racist rants.
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..and has other strange ideas.

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I knew that when I saw he was a Trump supporter.
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Trump sends his thoughts and prayers. It's become a less than meaningless saying.
His thoughts and prayers are even less meaningful considering he's responsible for inspiring the shooter.
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No, he is not in any way right. He is as wrong about everything as he could possibly be. The race war is being fought by racist whites, and they were encouraged to wage it by Ben Shapiro's and Donald Trump's racist rants.
Perhaps if you'd read beyond the first sentence of my post before posting a knee-jerk reply you'd have spotted that the point you've just made is the exact same point that I made.
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His thoughts and prayers are even less meaningful considering he's responsible for inspiring the shooter.
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I mean, he's half-right in a way. There's been an uptick in mass shootings by white supremacists (white supremacism accounts for more terrorism than any other group), and it's becoming increasingly clear that they feel empowered to act by an administration that excuses all right-wing behaviour.
"Emboldened" is the word you groped for and failed to find. LoL
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This article makes the point that with the culture of places like 8chan that these white supremacists shouldn't be classified as the individual actors that they currently are, but that instead they should officially be designated as a terrorist organisation on a par with ISIS and Al Qaeda. I'm not sure I completely agree with the strength of that assertion*, but I think the general point is a valid one.

*It seems to me, if nothing else, that it's a very US-centric viewpoint which ignores the international reach and actions of ISIS and Al Qaeda. I find it hard to believe that taking all the actions by each group into account that the latter two don't have a much higher bodycount than the white supremacists.
Oo, the gravitas. Very few forums (fora?) have as many long-winded poseurs on them as ISF.
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For a president without a racist bone is whole body, self-declared "least racist person ever to walk upon the Earth", Trump sure tends to get a lot of support from racists and fascists.

If only they knew the "Real Trump", hidden behind all of his racist public outbursts, dog-whistles and his intentional attempts to convince people that he's a racist bigot, then they would be embarrassed.
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
LoL.
Well, dead non-whites are always funny to Trump supporters.
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But remember folks, milkshakes are the real true danger to America!
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"Emboldened" is the word you groped for and failed to find. LoL
I was using Ben Shapiro's word. Your issue is with him, not me.

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If you say so.
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