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Old 10th August 2019, 09:26 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Seung Hui Cho wasn't even a citizen, much less a registered Democrat.
Hmmm. An indication that ChrisBFRPKY’s list contains inaccurate information. Who could have predicted that?
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Old 10th August 2019, 10:40 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
I posted this elsewhere a few years back so it's not up to date but here's a list that covers US high profile shootings up to the year 2013, Lest we forget due to media burial of relevant information....Please feel free to personally verify all posted information is indeed factual and accurate.

In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States.
In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States , who later died from the wound.
In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.
In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States.
In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States.
In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.
In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.
In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.
In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby's cafeteria in Killeen , TX.
In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.
In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service.
In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US.
In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.
In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech.
In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.
In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.
In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.
In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people in a school in Newtown , CT.
In Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy ship yard.

Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.

Not one NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservative was involved in any of these shootings and murders.

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You mean to tell me that in the years since you copy/pasted that before you still haven't learned this list is BS???

Unbelievable.

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Old 10th August 2019, 11:00 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
You mean to tell me that in the years since you copy/pasted that before you still haven't learned this list is BS???

Unbelievable.
Maybe one or two people on this list is actually a Democrat. Some of the people identified as "registered Democrats", like Adam Lanza, weren't actually registered to vote at all.
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Old 10th August 2019, 11:32 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
You mean to tell me that in the years since you copy/pasted that before you still haven't learned this list is BS???

Unbelievable.
Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Maybe one or two people on this list is actually a Democrat. Some of the people identified as "registered Democrats", like Adam Lanza, weren't actually registered to vote at all.
It's worse than that. Snopes did an in-depth repudiation of almost all of this list and concluded that:
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This viral list has been published by a wide range of outlets. However, none of those publications provided any documentation to prove that these individuals were all Democrats. Our investigation found that the majority of people on this list had no official connection to a political party, and that the majority of the incidents were not motivated by politics.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/de...shooters-list/

The list starts out with a false claim: John W. Booth wasn't a Democrat, but belonged to the Know-Nothing Party.

ChrisBFRPKY should be embarrassed as hell. Snopes rated this as MOSTLY FALSE.

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Old 11th August 2019, 12:26 AM   #165
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Seung Hui Cho wasn't even a citizen, much less a registered Democrat.
https://www.biography.com/crime-figure/seung-hui-cho

"Seung-Hui Cho was born in South Korea in 1984. When he was about 8 years old, his family immigrated to the United States, where they ran a dry-cleaning business in Virginia. Picked on by other students at a young age, Cho was later described by his college professors as a troubled loner. He was twice accused of stalking female students in 2005, but neither victim filed charges. A suicidal statement by Cho to a suitemate led to him being taken to a psychiatric hospital in December 2005, but he was released with orders to receive therapy as an outpatient. On April 16, 2007, Cho began his rampage by killing two students in a dormitory after 7 a.m. He later went to a classroom building and began shooting students and faculty members, killing 32 people and injuring several others around 9:45 a.m. The spree only ended when Cho turned one of his guns on himself, shooting himself in the head."

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On April 18, 2007, NBC News received a package from Cho time-stamped between the first and second shooting episodes. It contained an 1,800-word manifesto, photos, and 27 digitally-recorded videos in which Cho likened himself to Jesus Christ and expressed his hatred of the wealthy

Try again.

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Old 11th August 2019, 12:35 AM   #166
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
It's worse than that. Snopes did an in-depth repudiation of almost all of this list and concluded that:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/de...shooters-list/

The list starts out with a false claim: John W. Booth wasn't a Democrat, but belonged to the Know-Nothing Party.

ChrisBFRPKY should be embarrassed as hell. Snopes rated this as MOSTLY FALSE.
What is clear is the effort to distance themselves in any way possible from the facts. Each and every shooter on that list is a Democrat or follows the Liberal ideology. You can run but you can't hide, the facts are there.

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Old 11th August 2019, 12:37 AM   #167
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
You mean to tell me that in the years since you copy/pasted that before you still haven't learned this list is BS???

Unbelievable.
Which part? I'm open for discussion, not open to dismissal based on "because you said so."

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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
https://www.biography.com/crime-figure/seung-hui-cho

"Seung-Hui Cho was born in South Korea in 1984. When he was about 8 years old, his family immigrated to the United States, where they ran a dry-cleaning business in Virginia. Picked on by other students at a young age, Cho was later described by his college professors as a troubled loner. He was twice accused of stalking female students in 2005, but neither victim filed charges. A suicidal statement by Cho to a suitemate led to him being taken to a psychiatric hospital in December 2005, but he was released with orders to receive therapy as an outpatient. On April 16, 2007, Cho began his rampage by killing two students in a dormitory after 7 a.m. He later went to a classroom building and began shooting students and faculty members, killing 32 people and injuring several others around 9:45 a.m. The spree only ended when Cho turned one of his guns on himself, shooting himself in the head."

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On April 18, 2007, NBC News received a package from Cho time-stamped between the first and second shooting episodes. It contained an 1,800-word manifesto, photos, and 27 digitally-recorded videos in which Cho likened himself to Jesus Christ and expressed his hatred of the wealthy

Try again.

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All you've demonstrated here is an inability to read. How does any of this prove he's a Democrat?

Just stop. You've already shown that you're the brother-in-law who used to forward these stupid e-mails. Now you're the brother-in-law who posts them to Facebook.

And although beside the point, this is precisely what was originally termed fake news after the election. However, because we're nation of illiterate, innumerate deplorables, the nincompoop in the White House managed to re-brand the term so it applies to whatever CNN is reporting.
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Old 11th August 2019, 12:49 AM   #169
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
It's worse than that. Snopes did an in-depth repudiation of almost all of this list and concluded that:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/de...shooters-list/

The list starts out with a false claim: John W. Booth wasn't a Democrat, but belonged to the Know-Nothing Party.

ChrisBFRPKY should be embarrassed as hell. Snopes rated this as MOSTLY FALSE.
You left out an important part from Snope's:

"John Wilkes Booth was a member of the Know-Nothing Party. However, some of his motivations for assassinating Lincoln (Booth was opposed to freeing the slaves) aligned with the Democratic Party at the time:"

That's kinda relevant to the issue.

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All you've demonstrated here is an inability to read. How does any of this prove he's a Democrat?

Just stop. You've already shown that you're the brother-in-law who used to forward these stupid e-mails. Now you're the brother-in-law who posts them to Facebook.

And although beside the point, this is precisely what was originally termed fake news after the election. However, because we're nation of illiterate, innumerate deplorables, the nincompoop in the White House managed to re-brand the term so it applies to whatever CNN is reporting.
An 1800 word manifesto hating on the rich is not Liberal ideology? News to me.

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An 1800 word manifesto hating on the rich is not Liberal ideology? News to me.
Yeah, who could've figured you would have a grossly distorted view of liberalism?
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What about the Weather Underground?
I ******* love that channel! Waaaaay better than Windy!
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Old 11th August 2019, 01:29 AM   #173
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
Which part? I'm open for discussion, not open to dismissal based on "because you said so."

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I would recommend you start with the previously linked Snopes debunking. Why is this so difficult for you? It's already taken you years to even realize there's a potential issue with the list; at the rate you're going, we won't cure your ignorance on this until 2030 at the earliest. Good Luck!!!

Oh, and regarding Seung-Hui Cho, you do realize "permanent US resident" is different from "US citizen", don't you?? Furthermore, the former do not have voting privileges in the US and therefore can not be registered Democrats. Jesus Christ, people spell it out for you and you still eff it up.
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
https://www.biography.com/crime-figure/seung-hui-cho

"Seung-Hui Cho was born in South Korea in 1984. When he was about 8 years old, his family immigrated to the United States, where they ran a dry-cleaning business in Virginia. Picked on by other students at a young age, Cho was later described by his college professors as a troubled loner. He was twice accused of stalking female students in 2005, but neither victim filed charges. A suicidal statement by Cho to a suitemate led to him being taken to a psychiatric hospital in December 2005, but he was released with orders to receive therapy as an outpatient. On April 16, 2007, Cho began his rampage by killing two students in a dormitory after 7 a.m. He later went to a classroom building and began shooting students and faculty members, killing 32 people and injuring several others around 9:45 a.m. The spree only ended when Cho turned one of his guns on himself, shooting himself in the head."

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On April 18, 2007, NBC News received a package from Cho time-stamped between the first and second shooting episodes. It contained an 1,800-word manifesto, photos, and 27 digitally-recorded videos in which Cho likened himself to Jesus Christ and expressed his hatred of the wealthy

Try again.

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Sorry, what point were you trying to make here. None of the above says he was a registered Democrat. None of the above even says he was a citizen. "Permanent US resident" does not mean the same thing as "citizen".

And just to be clear, "hatred of the wealthy" has **** all to do with being a registered Democrat.

Goodness, your arrogance is mighty cute when juxtaposed with an utter failure to point out anything wrong with my post. Adorable.
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Old 11th August 2019, 04:16 AM   #175
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You left out an important part from Snope's:

"John Wilkes Booth was a member of the Know-Nothing Party. However, some of his motivations for assassinating Lincoln (Booth was opposed to freeing the slaves) aligned with the Democratic Party at the time:"

That's kinda relevant to the issue.

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That's why Snopes mentioned it. But it doesn't make Booth a Democrat or a liberal.
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Chris, you do understand that even if every person on that list really was a registered Democrat, the argument is crap, right?

It doesn't show that Democrats are involved in more shootings than Republicans. It's a list of a bunch of killings in which the killers are alleged (falsely, for most of them) to be Democrats and then concludes the Democrats are dangerous. But there were a hell of a lot more killings in that period (1865 to present) and so this is just a stupid article, factual inaccuracies aside.

You really can see that this sort of argument doesn't work, right?
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And at that time the Democrats were the racists! The change came about 100 years later.
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Chris, you do understand that even if every person on that list really was a registered Democrat, the argument is crap, right?

It doesn't show that Democrats are involved in more shootings than Republicans. It's a list of a bunch of killings in which the killers are alleged (falsely, for most of them) to be Democrats and then concludes the Democrats are dangerous. But there were a hell of a lot more killings in that period (1865 to present) and so this is just a stupid article, factual inaccuracies aside.

You really can see that this sort of argument doesn't work, right?
I can see that someone can't honestly label an entire political philosophy based on the actions of a few mentally ill extremists. I suppose I'm simply disgusted with the multitude of posts pointing blame to Republicans and Trump for the actions of these individuals while at the same time distancing themselves from those individuals who share their political philosophy and were likewise mentally ill extremists killers............

The political pandering being attempted is sickening to the extreme and everyone guilty of it should feel ashamed that their political views are so weak they feel the need to lower themselves to that level of dishonesty.

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I can see that someone can't honestly label an entire political philosophy based on the actions of a few mentally ill extremists. I suppose I'm simply disgusted with the multitude of posts pointing blame to Republicans and Trump for the actions of these individuals while at the same time distancing themselves from those individuals who share their political philosophy and were likewise mentally ill extremists killers............

The political pandering being attempted is sickening to the extreme and everyone guilty of it should feel ashamed that their political views are so weak they feel the need to lower themselves to that level of dishonesty.

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Yeah, you might've made a point with that kind of reasoning if, say, the people on the list really were Democrats.

But no reasonable person is claiming that Republicans are killers. The allegation that Trump's public comments may encourage nutcases like the El Paso shooter, not that the El Paso shooter is representative of Republicans (nor that most Republican politicians are as careless with their words as Trump).
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I heard that the El Paso shooter when quoting Trump, was doing so tongue-in-cheek.
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
An 1800 word manifesto hating on the rich is not Liberal ideology? News to me.

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Nope, it isn't.

Glad we cleared that up.

Now that you know this, you should probably take a week, stew on that a little, and reevaluate how much you post is based on a false understanding of liberal ideology.
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Permanent US resident.

Try again.

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U.S. Permanent resident is a green card holder - not a citizen.

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Being non-citizens, they can't vote.

Try again.



ETA: Honestly, posting clearly false information like that list is the kind of thing that motivates people to go out and shoot people. Posting false information, which has been proven to be false now for years. Posting it over and over again as if that makes it true. Clinging to the narrative when it is proven false. Then posting it more and more to reinforce the lie - in fairness, people like this lie to themselves as much as anyone. Still, way to motivate the crazies!!

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ETA: Honestly, this is the kind of thing that motivates people to go out and shoot people. Posting false information, which has been proven to be false now for years. Posting it over and over again as if that makes it true. Clinging to the narrative when it is proven false. Then posting it more and more to reinforce the lie - in fairness, people like this lie to themselves as much as anyone. Still, way to motivate the crazies!!
While I normally don't really condone giving attention to those who seem to be here just to disrupt discussion and derail threads, I do appreciate taking the time to correct outright falsehoods. Putting the E in JREF and all that.
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You mean to tell me that in the years since you copy/pasted that before you still haven't learned this list is BS???

Unbelievable.
Why would a Trump supporter value truth?
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Why would a Trump supporter value truth?
Oh, they value it. It can be handy to attack political opponents. It just gets annoying and calls for whataboutisms and clownery when it gets used against Trump and the trumpkins.
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Those goalposts flying around in the last 20 or so posts are dangerous. I had to duck several times.

Seems like nobody here is convinced by the lies contained in the posted list and the poor follow up excuses.
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An 1800 word manifesto hating on the rich is not Liberal ideology? News to me.

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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
You left out an important part from Snope's:

"John Wilkes Booth was a member of the Know-Nothing Party. However, some of his motivations for assassinating Lincoln (Booth was opposed to freeing the slaves) aligned with the Democratic Party at the time:"

That's kinda relevant to the issue.

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No, it's not relevant as it's highly misleading due to the fact that the Democratic Party of 1865 shared very little with today's Democratic Party. In fact, the two parties pretty much switched major philosophies including minority civil rights and large/strong vs small/weak Federal government.

I suggest you read Why Did the Democratic and Republican Parties Switch Platforms?
https://www.livescience.com/34241-de...platforms.html

The South, overwhelmingly Democratic, turned overwhelmingly Republican not because the people changed their political beliefs, but because the parties changed their platforms.
The maps below show the elections of 1896 and 2000. As is apparent, they show an almost opposite mirror of each other.



https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...3X.2013.856147

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Old 11th August 2019, 11:56 AM   #189
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An 1800 word manifesto hating on the rich is not Liberal ideology? News to me.

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I see you've fallen victim to Fake News then. Try getting your news from somewhere other than FOX, Breitbart, The Daily Caller, The Federalist, etc. You may learn something.
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An 1800 word manifesto hating on the rich is not Liberal ideology?
Sounds more like a Republican to me. Republicans are always the ones with their undies in a bunch over "the elite"
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
You left out an important part from Snope's:

"John Wilkes Booth was a member of the Know-Nothing Party. However, some of his motivations for assassinating Lincoln (Booth was opposed to freeing the slaves) aligned with the Democratic Party at the time:"

That's kinda relevant to the issue.
Impressive how quickly you're able to move those goalposts.
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We have to wait until they pick their final candidate. It'll be that one.
Holy Heisenberg, Batman. This is quantum politics.
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On the plus side we can stop calling AR15 pistols silly, they seem to be quite effective as this shooter proved.
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It doesn't show that Democrats are involved in more shootings than Republicans. It's a list of a bunch of killings in which the killers are alleged (falsely, for most of them) to be Democrats and then concludes the Democrats are dangerous. But there were a hell of a lot more killings in that period (1865 to present) and so this is just a stupid article, factual inaccuracies aside.

You really can see that this sort of argument doesn't work, right?
There are 19 incidents on that list. There have been more than 18 times that number of mass-shootings in the US in 2019 alone. If there really have only been 19 instances of Democrats shooting anybody at all, whether as part of a mass-shooting or not, in the last 150-odd years, then I don't think it really does make the case that Democrats are uniquely prone to shooting people. Quite the opposite, really.
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
Please feel free to personally verify all posted information is indeed factual and accurate.
Wouldn't you otherwise suggest that the person making the claim should be doing that?

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In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States.
Leaving aside that this is a 150 year old event, it's a well-known fact that the two parties have effectively switched political sides since then. It seems disingenuous, then, to cite examples prior to the mid-60s.
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What is clear is the effort to distance themselves in any way possible from the facts. Each and every shooter on that list is a Democrat or follows the Liberal ideology.
Interesting walk back. So they're not actually democrats but they, in your mind, follow the liberal ideology.

Just to be clear, what is, exactly, the liberal ideology? I ask as a foreigner.
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What is clear is the effort to distance themselves in any way possible from the facts. Each and every shooter on that list is a Democrat or follows the Liberal ideology. You can run but you can't hide, the facts are there.

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El Paso shooter, by your standard, had a liberal ideology when he talked about environmentalism.

But he ranted against Latino immigrants and attacked them in the mall because?
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John Wilkes Booth was pro-slavery, and assassinated the progressive who freed the slaves.

He was far more aligned with modern Confederate sympathizing conservatives than liberals.
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
I posted this elsewhere a few years back so it's not up to date but here's a list that covers US high profile shootings up to the year 2013, Lest we forget due to media burial of relevant information....Please feel free to personally verify all posted information is indeed factual and accurate.
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Not one NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservative was involved in any of these shootings and murders.

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In 1963
In 1975
In 1983
In 1984
In 1986
In 1990
...

Wow. That's some relentless spree killing by Dems right there, even if they were all Dems (which seems very unlikely).

12 year gap, 8 year gap, gaps of 1,2 and 4 years. Is there some law where Dems can't lose their minds once in a while? Maybe once every few years in a country of ~300m people?

I think you just set a record for 'most pitiful post of the year'.
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