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Old 7th August 2019, 11:44 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by rockinkt View Post
Zounds!!!
What a terrible thing!!! High School kids acting like idiots!!! Who woulda thunk it???
Punishment and retribution must be dealt out to these kids or no cardboard box will be safe!!!

I suggest paper cuts with salt added in order to send a strong message that high school kids that act like idiots in group settings (about 99.999998 % by latest reckoning) will start to use their underdeveloped brains and raging hormones to bake cookies and help nuns across streets.

Thank gawd all of the hand wringing adults commenting about this non-event were Mary Poppins Practically Perfect in their youth!
Idiots will be idiots.
But these idiots were all wearing "Team Mitch" shirts while sexually assaulting a member of congress in effigy.
It would be entirely appropriate for McConnell's office to make a statement that they don't support this kind of thing, and it is entirely appropriate for AOC to demand that he does exactly that.
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Old 7th August 2019, 11:49 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Idiots will be idiots.
But these idiots were all wearing "Team Mitch" shirts while sexually assaulting a member of congress in effigy.
What if they were wearing Iron Maiden t-shirts?
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Old 7th August 2019, 12:22 PM   #83
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For all the people that have deemed this "not news or worthy of paying attention to" there sure are a bunch of ******* people popping into here to say it LoL.

"I don't care about this, it's not newsworthy" - the 3rd person after commenting on the story all while handwaving away the behavior.

Did you ******* people seriously do this stuff in high school? I'm a convicted felon and I never fake strangled someone in high school or since. This is just a different rendition of "boys will be boys" or "locker room talk". I can't believe how many people talked that way and are totally ok with mock choking out a young member of congress.

So ******* random.
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Old 7th August 2019, 12:25 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
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But these idiots were all wearing "Team Mitch" shirts while sexually assaulting a member of congress in effigy.
What if they were wearing Iron Maiden t-shirts?
Did they do so while at a rock concert? After all, this was a political event they were at; it wasn't just some random gathering.

(And I do think that political leaders should be held to a different standard than entertainers.)
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Old 7th August 2019, 12:47 PM   #85
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Remember, these individuals are from Kentucky, one of the more backwards states in the U.S. (One that went overwhelmingly to Trump in 2016.) I expect that most of them will never actually be exposed to any significant 'left wing' message.

So rather than going from being uncontrolled youth to rational adults, they probably would have maintained their attachment to the racist and bigoted rhetoric that is coming from the Republican party, and 20 years from now they would be sitting in the audience at some Trump Jr. Presidential rally, waving their little nazi flags.
How many people remain in the same state they went to high school in?
Not sure about same state, but there was a survey that showed more than 50% of all people live within a few hours of their home town. (And, statistically, Trump voters are less likely to move far from home than Clinton supporters were.)

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...own-stay-leave
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Old 7th August 2019, 01:41 PM   #86
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None, if it doesn't bother you then just ******* move on.



Obviously you can't, but if you don't give a ****, I don't know why you'd participate. That's the neat new thing here though. For some reason you have to post in a thread to tell everyone how much you don't care about the topic of the thread.



If you want, no rules from me.



I'm not demanding ****. It was on my news feed, and it was relevant to politics in that it a) happened at a political event b) included people involved in politics c) was degrading to someone in congress.



I don't even know that they have jobs. I think they're high schoolers.



I don't have a standard because I wasn't specifically calling anyone to action. I posted something that I felt was newsworthy. Just like you corrected someone about assault weapons in a thread that no one cared about the information you presented. You obviously felt some level of butthurt to go off on a tangent of questions.


Nothing says "I am worth listening to" more than some expertly arranged masked cuss words.

The thing about AOC is not that she's "good looking" - - it's that she is radical and that some people are actually listening to her.

It's the dummies that elected and support her that are scary. My opinion anyways.
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Old 7th August 2019, 01:52 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
The thing about AOC is not that she's "good looking" - - it's that she is radical and that some people are actually listening to her.

She's only radical in areas where radical solutions are required.
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
She's only radical in areas where radical solutions are required.
That makes sense, so when she goes to Sweden she is less radical.
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Old 7th August 2019, 02:07 PM   #89
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Nothing says "I am worth listening to" more than some expertly arranged masked cuss words.
Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.


Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
The thing about AOC is not that she's "good looking" - - it's that she is radical and that some people are actually listening to her.


Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
It's the dummies that elected and support her that are scary. My opinion anyways.
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Old 7th August 2019, 02:29 PM   #90
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Did you ******* people seriously do this stuff in high school?
What, joke about strangling people?

Is this a serious question? Yeah, teens **** talk all the time. It doesn't mean anything.
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Originally Posted by Donal View Post
Mitch McConnell literally went on a Sunday morning show to declare Biden a socialist. He called all of his past opponents socialists. He uses it because they've been red baiting for years
He called Joe Scarborough a socialist and left wing! Seems to be the goto attack for #MoscowMitch #Putin'sMitch #TheTurtle
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Old 7th August 2019, 02:54 PM   #92
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
The thing about AOC is not that she's "good looking" - - it's that she is radical and that some people are actually listening to her.
Sometime radical solutions are needed to extreme problems.

And if Publicly paid for Education and Heathcare is radical, count me in as a radical.
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Old 7th August 2019, 02:58 PM   #93
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What, joke about strangling people?

Is this a serious question? Yeah, teens **** talk all the time. It doesn't mean anything.
I'm down with **** talking all day; however, if I were to show up to class with a cardboard cutout of insert_friend_here and pretended to strangle them in the school, I'd rightfully get my ass suspended. The school would not put up with that at all, and mind you this was at a ******* church. Not just a random park, not the local zoo, not a fair, a literal ******* church.

Also mentioned, they had tombstones of current and former opposition. AT A CHURCH.

To me, **** talking is calling people names, nothing even close to strangling or even mocking strangling.
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What, joke about strangling people?

Is this a serious question? Yeah, teens **** talk all the time. It doesn't mean anything.
Nothing new. We talked the same way when I was in High School.
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She's only radical in areas where radical solutions are required.
"Radical" isn't actually a solution, though.
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I'm down with **** talking all day; however, if I were to show up to class with a cardboard cutout of insert_friend_here and pretended to strangle them in the school, I'd rightfully get my ass suspended. The school would not put up with that at all, and mind you this was at a ******* church. Not just a random park, not the local zoo, not a fair, a literal ******* church.



Also mentioned, they had tombstones of current and former opposition. AT A CHURCH.



To me, **** talking is calling people names, nothing even close to strangling or even mocking strangling.
This explains why Al Franken had to leave the Senate, I guess.
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I'm down with **** talking all day; however, if I were to show up to class with a cardboard cutout of insert_friend_here and pretended to strangle them in the school, I'd rightfully get my ass suspended.
No, I'm sure people my age would've used a 3x5 picture instead.

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To me, **** talking is calling people names, nothing even close to strangling or even mocking strangling.
You know what I find strange? It's how common it is for posters to suddenly forget how humans act.
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No, I'm sure people my age would've used a 3x5 picture instead.



You know what I find strange? It's how common it is for posters to suddenly forget how humans act.
Or how they acted when they were teens....
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"Radical" isn't actually a solution, though.
You should print these little aphorisms up on buttons. Sometimes "radical" is actually a solution, particularly in a scale like the one we use to describe US political positions where Far Left is the "global middle".

These are conversations we need to have. It ain't just about whether my tax cut should come in a brown envelope or a white one, which is what passes for meaningful conversation among conservatives.
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You should print these little aphorisms up on buttons. Sometimes "radical" is actually a solution, particularly in a scale like the one we use to describe US political positions where Far Left is the "global middle".

These are conversations we need to have. It ain't just about whether my tax cut should come in a brown envelope or a white one, which is what passes for meaningful conversation among conservatives.
Okay. Let's have a conversation about AOC's radical solutions. Pick one. Start a new thread if you like. I'll even try really hard not to be evil.
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Sometimes "radical" is actually a solution....
Talk about a mindless aphorism for a button or bumper sticker. Send it to AOC's people, I'm sure they will use it.
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Nothing says "I am worth listening to" more than some expertly arranged masked cuss words.
Expertly arranged? Are you familiar with the autocensor?
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Talk about a mindless aphorism for a button or bumper sticker. Send it to AOC's people, I'm sure they will use it.
Nice elision. Almost makes it look like you're trying to address the comment. Almost.
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Okay. Let's have a conversation about AOC's radical solutions. Pick one. Start a new thread if you like. I'll even try really hard not to be evil.
No thanks. Body of Work and all that. You can go start a thread if you want, but there's already one; one in which you've demonstrated the singular inability to have a serious conversation on the topic. the Green New Deal thread.
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No thanks. Body of Work and all that. You can go start a thread if you want, but there's already one; one in which you've demonstrated the singular inability to have a serious conversation on the topic. the Green New Deal thread.
That's a completely unfair standard. It's not possible to have a serious conversation about the GND, because the GND is itself a joke. Sure, you can pretend to be serious about it, but who are you kidding?
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That's a completely unfair standard. It's not possible to have a serious conversation about the GND, because the GND is itself a joke. Sure, you can pretend to be serious about it, but who are you kidding?
This is a variation on theprestige's excuse for why he doesn't participate in good faith in ANY threads. "Everything y'all say is wrong and I would give it credibility by discussing it."

Thank you for proving my point.
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You know what I find strange? It's how common it is for posters to suddenly forget how humans act.
Is it as strange as not remembering that people act differently?

This is obviously normal, rational behavior to people like you and Dudalb, and a few others. It's not to me, and I hope it never is.

Saying, "Oh those wacky teens" is lame to me. I have teenage boys, 2 of them. I can't imagine either one of them doing this but for ***** and giggles I'll ask them tonight. I'd like to think they're above that.
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You know what I find strange? It's how common it is for posters to suddenly forget how humans act.
I've said it before. The internet is in real danger of creating the anti-social, total (often with pride) inability to interact with other people, shut in that people used to think actually existed.
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What if they were wearing Iron Maiden t-shirts?
The photo would still show, at the least, that these kids were raised in a misogynistic society, so the photo would still deserve a severe reprimand. "Kids will be kids" doesn't excuse the fact that attitudes like misogyny and racism are learned behaviors. I wouldn't want to see their lives ruined because of it, of course, but I think they need to come away knowing that this sort of behavior is unacceptable.

But then, they weren't wearing Iron Maiden t-shirts. The photo was explicitly intended to make a political statement about how much they disrespect one of McConnell's political opponents. And that is yet another example of how today's GOP is fueled by appealing to the worst of human nature.
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The photo would still show, at the least, that these kids were raised in a misogynistic society, so the photo would still deserve a severe reprimand. "Kids will be kids" doesn't excuse the fact that attitudes like misogyny and racism are learned behaviors. I wouldn't want to see their lives ruined because of it, of course, but I think they need to come away knowing that this sort of behavior is unacceptable.

But then, they weren't wearing Iron Maiden t-shirts. The photo was explicitly intended to make a political statement about how much they disrespect one of McConnell's political opponents. And that is yet another example of how today's GOP is fueled by appealing to the worst of human nature.
Yeah, they were all wearing Mitch t-shirts and it was at a church picnic fundraiser. This is really how y'all acted at church picnics when you were young?

Trump's grab them by the pussy was excused because it was "locker room talk." Now it's ok for "locker room talk" at a church picnic?
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Is it as strange as not remembering that people act differently?

This is obviously normal, rational behavior to people like you and Dudalb, and a few others. It's not to me, and I hope it never is.
Why? Is that behaviour that horrifying to you? They're fooling around with a cardboard cutout.

Seriously it's innocuous.
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Yeah, they were all wearing Mitch t-shirts and it was at a church picnic fundraiser. This is really how y'all acted at church picnics when you were young?

Trump's grab them by the pussy was excused because it was "locker room talk." Now it's ok for "locker room talk" at a church picnic?
Couldn't say. In my day, churches didn't violate the principle of separation by hosting blatantly political rallies.

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The photo would still show, at the least, that these kids were raised in a misogynistic society
Oh, come on. It shows nothing of the sort. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
Yeah, they were all wearing Mitch t-shirts and it was at a church picnic fundraiser. This is really how y'all acted at church picnics when you were young?

Trump's grab them by the pussy was excused because it was "locker room talk." Now it's ok for "locker room talk" at a church picnic?
If that's the objection, Isn't that a matter for their parents, the church, and other picnic-goers? Why does anyone else need to be involved?
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Why? Is that behaviour that horrifying to you? They're fooling around with a cardboard cutout.

Seriously it's innocuous.
Yeah, for some reason, males tend to think that misogyny is innocuous. You might as have well said, "Seriously, that's someone else's problem."
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If that's the objection, Isn't that a matter for their parents, the church, and other picnic-goers? Why does anyone else need to be involved?
Don't start none, won't be none. Don't want public attention? Don't publish photos of yourself doing dumb things on a global communications network.
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
Yeah, for some reason, males tend to think that misogyny is innocuous. You might as have well said, "Seriously, that's someone else's problem."
It's no one's problem. It was a cardboard cutout.

What you posted above is nothing but a platitude. It's not an argument. If a woman pretends to grobe or french kiss a picture of Brad Pitt, is she being misandrist?

And I don't appreciate your accusation. Maybe you need to take a break.
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If that's the objection, Isn't that a matter for their parents, the church, and other picnic-goers? Why does anyone else need to be involved?
Like I said about wearing a MAGA hat, you shouldn't be making political statements unless you're willing to own the political consequences, and these kids are surely old enough to understand that. These kids make the GOP look bad because the GOP is bad, and the proof is how McConnell handled it -- or rather, didn't.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Don't start none, won't be none. Don't want public attention? Don't publish photos of yourself doing dumb things on a global communications network.
If they started something, that indicates that the problem isn't what pgwenthold suggested. And while I agree with your post in terms of advice for future action, it's not a relevant guide for what the appropriate response to such behavior is once it has happened.
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Like I said about wearing a MAGA hat, you shouldn't be making political statements unless you're willing to own the political consequences,
That's not really the question we face. The question we face is, what should those consequences be? You seem to simply be accepting all these bad consequences without question. That is... unwise.
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