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Old 9th August 2019, 04:59 AM   #1
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Quillette hoaxed into publishing false anti-DSA hit piece

Quillette, the conservative opinion magazine which sees itself as a member of the "intellectual dark web" not afraid to apply facts and reason to taboo political topics, got duped by an obvious hoax.

Quillette published an interview with a man claiming to be a blue-collar DSA member frustrated with effete, SJW leadership within the organization. The article was full of red meat for the anti progressive crowd. It was also full of little details that were obviously false if even the slightest bit of editorial review took place.

The internet starting picking apart this story right as it was published, and the article was pulled after a few hours. The hoaxster later gleefully admitted punking the magazine and everyone is having a good laugh.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/quille...ker?ref=author

Seems that many radical conservative "intellectuals" these like to cloak their views as the only rational and reasoned interpretation of the facts. Nice to see this charade absolutely collapse and Quillette get exposed for the hack-job it is.
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Old 9th August 2019, 05:07 AM   #2
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What's DSA?
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
What's DSA?
Deep State Administration, of course.
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Better you should ask "What is Quillette?" Answer: The right-wing source for many of the "arguments" you see (re)posted here by the usual suspects.
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Deep State Administration, of course.

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I've never heard of Quillette before. It sounds like a make of toilet paper. "Charmin's Quillette is elegant enough for the fanciest bathroom but tough enough for the harshest butthole!" I sometimes think I should work in advertising.
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Old 9th August 2019, 07:05 AM   #7
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I've never heard of Quillette before. It sounds like a make of toilet paper.
Still too generous
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Old 9th August 2019, 10:17 AM   #8
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Somehow, I'm not surprised at all. The schadenfreude is real.

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Old 9th August 2019, 10:36 AM   #9
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As far as I can see the big hoax is that the guy claimed to be a socialist nobody turned off by his fellow latte liberals when actually he was a different socialist nobody who doesn't mind latte liberals. Or something.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I've never heard of Quillette before. It sounds like a make of toilet paper. "Charmin's Quillette is elegant enough for the fanciest bathroom but tough enough for the harshest butthole!" I sometimes think I should work in advertising.
Ah, TM, you never disappoint.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
What's DSA?
Democratic Socialists of America

Don't worry - most people haven't heard of them, either.
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Still too generous
Oh c’mon now, they’re today’s leading publication for research into phrenology.
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In a documentary about the so-called dissidents in Cuba (the Cubans usually call them mercenaries), a journalist, who has led contra-revolutionaries in Miami to believe that he is a 'dissident,' demonstrates how easy it is to make Miami broadcasters bring fake news about Cuba. He calls them on his cellphone from Havana, and that same afternoon his piece of fake news is being broadcast on the radion in Miami.

One of the many things that nobody has heard about.

The scene is towards the end of one of these two documentaries about terrorism against Cuba:
Bernie Dwyer: Mission against Terror
Saul Landau: Will the Real Terrorist Please Stand up
I don't remember which one.
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Gullible leftists believe this tripe? There's no evidence Quillette ever ran such a story. This is all an elaborate hoax about a "hoax." Hipster douchebags would probably call it a "meta" hoax.
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The Daily Beast? You're kidding. Why would you accept that ****** little organ's word about anything?
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As far as I can see the big hoax is that the guy claimed to be a socialist nobody turned off by his fellow latte liberals when actually he was a different socialist nobody who doesn't mind latte liberals. Or something.
Really? I would have thought that the oft-cited intellectual hub of the alt-right was incapable of basic fact checking would be important, but hey...
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Oh c’mon now, they’re today’s leading publication for research into phrenology.
Ah yes, who could forget BoJo's Germanic forehead. We must try...

They're also the main hub for HBD, the new facade for "race realism" aka brown people are inferior.
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The Daily Beast? You're kidding. Why would you accept that s****y little organ's word about anything?
Awww...
So any complaints about the accuracy of the story?
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Awww...
So any complaints about the accuracy of the story?
Almost as a matter of principle I stopped paying attention to, by which I mean completely stopped reading, anything on the Daily Beast several years ago. By that time it had proved itself to be one of the most venal, dishonest, clickbait-ridden websites in existence.
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Awww...
So any complaints about the accuracy of the story?
Almost as a matter of principle I stopped paying attention to, by which I mean completely stopped reading, anything on the Daily Beast several years ago. By that time it had proved itself to be one of the most venal, dishonest, clickbait-ridden websites in existence. No.
FTFY

There is a wayback machine cache of the article as it appeared on Quillette here - https://web.archive.org/web/20190808...dsa-is-doomed/ . So if the Daily Beast made up the story, they were also clever enough to hack it onto the quillette servers.

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Almost as a matter of principle I stopped paying attention to, by which I mean completely stopped reading, anything on the Daily Beast several years ago. By that time it had proved itself to be one of the most venal, dishonest, clickbait-ridden websites in existence.
Your mindless complaints are of no contribution to this thread. Have you considered getting a dog? You'd feel a lot better.
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Really? I would have thought that the oft-cited intellectual hub of the alt-right was incapable of basic fact checking would be important, but hey...
Speaking of basic fact-checking, where did you get the idea that Quillette is alt-right? It's not, not by any stretch of the imagination. It's generally right of center, but more libertarian than anything else. The writers are mostly academics, which is why the focus seems to be on collegiate issues like free speech on campus and the idiocy of post-modernism. Jonathan Kay, the Canadian editor, wrote Among the Truthers, which in addition to debunking the 9-11 nutbars, also took on the Birther stupidity.

Yes, they should have gotten some sort of credentials from the guy, particularly since he decided (apparently in the middle of the process) to go from an anonymous source to a named one. That is a pretty basic mistake. Given that Quillette first made a splash with a modern re-running of the Sokol experiment, it is a tad ironic. OTOH, the Sokol thing was to academic journals, which should have a tad more rigor than an online magazine of mostly opinion pieces.
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Oh yeah, I hadn't seen that. Quillette is definitely not alt right. Yikes.
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Your mindless complaints are of no contribution to this thread. Have you considered getting a dog? You'd feel a lot better.
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What's DSA?
It's the people Lenin warned us about:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/
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Almost as a matter of principle I stopped paying attention to, by which I mean completely stopped reading, anything on the Daily Beast several years ago. By that time it had proved itself to be one of the most venal, dishonest, clickbait-ridden websites in existence.
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Oh yeah, I hadn't seen that. Quillette is definitely not alt right. Yikes.
People disagree about that.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quillette
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Hmm. Thanks for posting that.
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If anyone wants to actually read the now deleted article here is an archived version of it.



https://web.archive.org/web/20190808...dsa-is-doomed/
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Given that Quillette first made a splash with a modern re-running of the Sokol experiment, it is a tad ironic.
It's more than just ironic. It's their own flim flam. Setting journalistic standards aside, it's understandable how other publications might be blindsided by something like this. But with Quilette, this can't possibly be a surprise. It's like Bernie Madoff losing his cigarettes in a fellow inmate's tobacco investment scheme.

I think it does a lot to highlight the depth of their ideological bias.
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I wasn't being sarcastic in the slightest. You're showing a lot of unnecessary hostility in response to criticism towards a publication that - in all likelihood - you have no formal association with. I want you to find better methods of dealing with whatever is bothering you.

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People disagree about that.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quillette
Also of note:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/quillette/
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First paragraph:


I am working class and a Marxist-Leninist. I believe in a revolution of the proletariat, and the usurpation of the ruling class. As I looked around the political landscape after Donald Trump’s election win, I noticed the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). Curious, and hoping for a radical and viable alternative to the two establishment parties, I took myself along to a meeting. While DSA do not perfectly align with my politics, I became a dues-paying member all the same, attracted by the party’s subversive potential. I attended meetings of the Brooklyn DSA chapter, and participated in many NYC-DSA actions—sit-ins, marches, labor protests—because of my steadfast belief in the transformative power of solidarity. I would approach political activity with this maxim in mind: what would Alinsky do?


Who wants to count up all the obvious clues this is a hoax?
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The Daily Beast? You're kidding. Why would you accept that ****** little organ’s word about anything?
Must we have Trump in every thread?
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Must we have Trump in every thread?
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I am working class and a Marxist-Leninist. I believe in a revolution of the proletariat, and the usurpation of the ruling class. As I looked around the political landscape after Donald Trump’s election win, I noticed the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). Curious, and hoping for a radical and viable alternative to the two establishment parties, I took myself along to a meeting. While DSA do not perfectly align with my politics, I became a dues-paying member all the same, attracted by the party’s subversive potential. I attended meetings of the Brooklyn DSA chapter, and participated in many NYC-DSA actions—sit-ins, marches, labor protests—because of my steadfast belief in the transformative power of solidarity. I would approach political activity with this maxim in mind: what would Alinsky do?


Who wants to count up all the obvious clues this is a hoax?
Hey there was a guy around here after Trump's win who was talking about recruiting a group of armed rebels. I thought it was pretty over the top but the guy insisted he was serious.
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People disagree about that.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quillette
Well, I suppose alt-right is the new "neocon"; lib shorthand for "Republicans and conservatives and libertarians and Jews that I don't like."
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Almost as a matter of principle I stopped paying attention to, by which I mean completely stopped reading, anything on the Daily Beast several years ago. By that time it had proved itself to be one of the most venal, dishonest, clickbait-ridden websites in existence.

No, not at all dishonest:

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If anyone wants to actually read the now deleted article here is an archived version of it.



https://web.archive.org/web/20190808...dsa-is-doomed/
Are you MAD, MAN??!!! Actually, READ??!! Our conserva-guard members would much rather kill the messenger and and split hairs over whether Quillette is an alt-right scumbag site or merely a very right scumbag site. Because there's an important distinction, I'm sure. (As long as you ignore "scumbag site", of course.)
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