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Old 14th April 2019, 03:10 PM   #3121
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It was a little whiles back mind you , so you may struggle with your deteriorating memory to recall the whole charge separation failure of MHD part of this thread.
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Old 14th April 2019, 03:12 PM   #3122
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Or if you can’t face all that embarrassment, again, you could offer up a reasonable explination, in your obvious “expert” opinion.
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Old 14th April 2019, 03:13 PM   #3123
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Insanity emphasized.
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Old 14th April 2019, 03:14 PM   #3124
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A’Hearn did...
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Old 14th April 2019, 03:18 PM   #3125
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But the mainstream can’t get their &@$# together to decide what’s a comet or what’s an asteroid.
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The mainstream does know the difference between asteroids (rocks that never have cometary behavior activity) and comets (made of ices and dust and regularly have cometary activity).

Sol88's insane delusions about active asteroids does not make the mainstream ignorant.
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Old 14th April 2019, 03:22 PM   #3126
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So sublimation, from main belt comets and impacts are covered so far {see my post above) what else do you have in your toolkit jd116?
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Sublimation, impacts and spin up are sane physics to explain active asteroids.

What Sol88 has is not even his usual insane fantasies! Not even parroted stupidity from his deluded cult!.
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Old 14th April 2019, 03:26 PM   #3127
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Mainstream now, only very recently “discovered” another force at play ELECTROMAGNETISM! It has a caveat though,
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Sol88's total insanity that the mainstream has recently found electromagnetics !
Sol88's total insanity that the word electrostatic makes his electric comet insanity any less insane.

Astronomers have been looking at electromagnetic and electrostatic effects in space for many decades.

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Old 14th April 2019, 03:45 PM   #3128
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...It has a caveat though,
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Electrostatic forces may also be at play. Turns out, solar radiation involves a bombardment of not only photons but also electrons and protons. As an object spins in space, surfaces are hit with the radiation and electrons, being of a smaller mass, travel away faster than protons. This causes a net charge to develop as the objects spins and the surface falls into the dark side. But as it spins towards the light again, protons come into play again and electrostatic forces can cause particles to rise. If enough of a charge is developed, then the dust can achieve escape velocity and away they go. But the math shows it may only work for smaller asteroids, plus the moon models this is based off of may be incomplete (Jewitt).
This is the physics for the electrostatic repulsion of dust on asteroids which may only work for smaller asteroids.
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Old 14th April 2019, 03:46 PM   #3129
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Ahhhh...the “math”.
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The language of physics is math and Sol88's insane delusions has no math or even relevant physics !
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Old 14th April 2019, 03:48 PM   #3130
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Which math is this MHD? Black hole. Dark matter?
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Old 14th April 2019, 03:53 PM   #3131
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Similar to this math?
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Electrostatics is different from electromagnetism (MHD), general relativity (black holes) or mostly GR and Newtonian gravity (dark matter).

Sol88's insane lie that MHD, black holes and dark matter are just math.
MHD, black holes and dark matter are the application of the laws of physics to the real universe and finding that it works. It is a little thing called science !
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Old 14th April 2019, 03:55 PM   #3132
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Whata numpty.
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Sol88 spews his usual insanity about asteroids and cannot understand that this is the electric comet insanity thread.
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Old 14th April 2019, 03:56 PM   #3133
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What forms the diamagnetic cavity, again jd116?
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Sol88's insanely irrelevant question has been answered.

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Old 14th April 2019, 03:57 PM   #3134
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...Links and papers please, not your simpleton version.
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Any charge separation happening at 67P?
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Numptys can not accept this fact, obviously.
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Sol88's insane question has been answered.

Everyone here, except the "Numpty" and deluded Sol88, accepts the real fact and effects of charge separation in plasma such as a comet coma or tail.

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Sol88's electric comet insanity (comets are rocks blasted from planets by electric discharges, etc.).

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Old 14th April 2019, 04:26 PM   #3138
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Which math is this MHD? Black hole. Dark matter?
Part of Sol88's insanity is displays of stupid delusions about physics which also applies to his electric comet insanity.

MHD is the application of the laws of electromagnetism (as in "electric" comet ) to plasma. MHD works for real plasmas. It is quite insane to deny the validity of MHD. It is totally insane for anyone who believes in electromagnetism to deny the validity of MHD.

The math of black holes is textbook physics. The Schwarzschild solution been known for 103 years and derived by millions of undergraduate students ! It is quite insane to deny the existence of black holes given the empirical evidence that they exist. For example, the many observations of gravitational waves black holes merging that match the physics and math and we now have a direct observation of one!

Dark matter is physics, math and empirical evidence. Dark matter started as observations that there was extra matter that was dark. We have 11 independent lines of evidence that dark matter exists. It is quite insane to deny the existence of dark matter.
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Old 14th April 2019, 06:43 PM   #3139
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Thanks reality check.


The ICE is charged as well!
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I did not say that charged dust and ice grains in the coma of comets would not respond to the electric fields inside the coma of comets.

I confirmed Sol88's persistent insane ignorance of textbook plasma physics yet again.
Plasmas have electric fields because they contain ions and electrons !
Neutrals, ions and electrons move differently and so plasmas have ambipolar electric fields !

Charged dust and ICE with reality checks AMBIPOLAR ELECTRIC FIELDS.

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Asteroid Bennu is an asteroid !

Asteroid Bennu is one of the rare active asteroids that are ejecting dust by spinning or possibly sublimation of ice pockets. That is the surprise.

Irrelevant to Sol88's insanity about comets.
Forgot IMPACTS and THERMAL fracturing ya duffer.

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That's all you have


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If it's sublimating its a comet!
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Sol88's total insanity that active asteroids are relevant to his electric comet insanity. Insane fabatsies about active asteroids.

The physically sane mechanisms to explain active asteroids are:
  • Sublimation of ice ejecting dust.
  • Impacts ejecting dust.
  • Spin up ejecting dust.
Asteroid–comet continuum objects in the solar system

Electrostatic ejection not considered...why?
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Asteroid Bennu is an asteroid !

Asteroid Bennu is one of the rare active asteroids that are ejecting dust by spinning or possibly sublimation of ice pockets. That is the surprise.

Irrelevant to Sol88's insanity about comets.
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Thanks reality check....
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We detected charged grains of dust and ices in the coma of 67P.

Sol88's insane lie is citing papers that state and denying the fat that is grains in the coma.

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Charged dust...
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Sol88's insane lie is that he has not been told these facts abut plasmas and comets before.
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Forgot IMPACTS and THERMAL fracturing ya duffer.
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For others: ACTIVE ASTEROIDS and Asteroid–comet continuum objects in the solar system seem list the credible mechanisms for dust ejection from asteroids:
  • Sublimation of ice pockets.
  • Spin up.
  • Impacts.
  • Impacts exposing ices which sublimate.
  • Thermal fracturing.
  • Electrostatic levitation.
  • Radiation pressure sweeping,

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If it's sublimating its a comet!
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Several theories are in play for what may be causing these objects to be active. One is sublimation, which is what drives comets. Why would that be a candidate here, then? Turns out, a thin layer of regolith as shallow as 1 meter in depth can cause ice to be trapped for almost a billion years, only becoming exposed when a collision occurs. Perhaps small pockets of ice formed in shadowed regions of asteroids and were not melted away by the radiation from the closeness of the sun. Maybe instead we are witnessing some projectiles coming from a recent collision with another space object, or maybe an object spinning apart because of a large torque. The problem is, the asteroid belt is not like how it looks in the movies. It is mainly empty space with the average distance between objects clocking in at 600,000 miles. With 800,000 asteroids in the belt, that translates to a lot of real estate available. Therefore, collisions should be quite rare (Jewitt, Redd 31).

Electrostatic forces may also be at play. Turns out, solar radiation involves a bombardment of not only photons but also electrons and protons. As an object spins in space, surfaces are hit with the radiation and electrons, being of a smaller mass, travel away faster than protons. This causes a net charge to develop as the objects spins and the surface falls into the dark side. But as it spins towards the light again, protons come into play again and electrostatic forces can cause particles to rise. If enough of a charge is developed, then the dust can achieve escape velocity and away they go. But the math shows it may only work for smaller asteroids, plus the moon models this is based off of may be incomplete (Jewitt).

Thermal properties can also be at hand. Fracturing caused by extreme temperature changes as an object approaches the sun can cause particles to escape. Another possibility is liquid water escaping the surface (as opposed to sublimation, where it goes directly from a solid to a gas), taking particles with it, whether that water loss be driven by heat differences or by shock compressions from collisions (Ibid).
Also see Asteroid–comet continuum objects in the solar system which is a scientific paper and incudes the most credible mechanisms.

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Electrostatic ejection not considered...why?
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Electrostatic ejection is considered for the ejection of dust from asteroids as in the article Sol88 recently cited and the paper Sol88 stupidly lies about .
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Asteroid–comet continuum objects in the solar system is a scientific paper and incudes the most credible mechanisms and considers electrostatic levitation !
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(v) Activity Generation Mechanisms in Active Asteroids
While this section on active asteroids has focused on sublimation, impact disruption, and rotational destabilization, there are other mechanisms that could potentially produce cometlike mass loss on asteroids, including thermal fracturing (see Phaethon, above, or the case of 322P/SOHO 1 [74]), radiation pressure sweeping, and electrostatic levitation [70]. Furthermore, it is important to consider that activity for a given active asteroid could in fact be produced by a combination of effects, and individual active episodes on the same active asteroid could even have different sets of driving mechanisms each time.

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Surprise!!
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Sol88's stupidity of supporting electric comet insanity started on 6th July 2009.

Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies

Sol88's electric comet insanity (comets are rocks blasted from planets by electric discharges, etc.).

18 November 2010: The lies, failures and successes of Thunderbolts Deep Impact predictions by Wal Thornhill
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc.
13 April 2018: A couple of the delusions in Scott's Birkeland current paper.

The electric comet delusion has at least 45 years without a scientific electric comet model or observations to support it!

Over 3 years of abysmal fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

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Electrostatic ejection not considered...why?
What has that got to do with your failed woo? You need EDM (lol), remember? Didn't happen. Unsurprisingly. You lost. Get over it. Why are you still here?
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Old 15th April 2019, 07:04 PM   #3152
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Meteoroid strikes eject precious water from moon

Little more of the puzzle.

This is very telling,
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Lunar scientists often use the term "water" to refer to both H2O and OH. Figuring out how much H2O and how much OH are present is something future Moon missions might address.
Is it H2O and OH or H2O+ and OH+

also

Another piece of the puzzle:

Tiny fragment of a comet found inside a meteorite

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Asteroids and comets both formed from the disk of gas and dust that once surrounded the young Sun, but they aggregated at different distances from it, which affected their chemical makeup. Compared to asteroids, comets contain larger fractions of water iceand far more carbon , and typically formed farther from the Sun where the environment was colder.
Surprise!
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It could also help reveal the role that dark, carbon-rich asteroids like Bennu may have played in delivering water and the chemical building blocks of life to our planet, mission team members have said.
All poor jonesy has left.

Your being left behind, sorry champ.

Not all your fault jd116 but so don't feel bad.

So whats the difference between a comet and an asteroid, again?
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Old 15th April 2019, 07:07 PM   #3153
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Jonesdave116, King Canute himself.
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Old 15th April 2019, 09:11 PM   #3154
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When Asteroids Become Comets

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The surprising discovery of asteroids with comet tails supports the longstanding claim of the electrical theorists—that the essential difference between asteroids and comets is the shape of their orbits.
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In the electric view, there is no fundamental distinction between a comet and an asteroid, apart from their orbits. Comets are not primordial objects formed by impact accretion – an improbable and unfalsifiable model (“it happened long, long ago and far, far away”). Asteroids, comets and meteorites are all 'born' in interplanetary electrical events. Their distinctive orbital groupings and spectral features simply point to separate catastrophic events and to different planetary bodies involved in different phases of solar system history.
and from mainstream science

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The team doesn't know what's spurring the ejection events. The ejections have been observed around the time of Bennu's closest passage to the sun during the asteroid's elliptical orbit, which occurred this year on Jan. 10. So, solar heating of the asteroid's surface and near-subsurface may be the main driver. But that's just speculation at the moment, Lauretta stressed.
Surprise! 'Active Asteroid' Bennu Is a Rare Particle-Ejecting Space Rock

Just say'n!

What say ye King Canute?
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So jd116, no charge separation at comets?

Lock it in, King Canute?
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So jd116, no charge separation at comets?

Lock it in, King Canute?
Why are you still here? You lost, remember? What is the density of this asteroid? What has any of this got to do with your 100% failed woo? Give up, you are boring.
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Old 16th April 2019, 11:43 AM   #3157
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Why are you still here? You lost, remember? What is the density of this asteroid? What has any of this got to do with your 100% failed woo? Give up, you are boring.
To show King Canute that he can not hold back the tide.
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Thumbs down Usual insanity from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies

Sol88 insanity that the Moon is a comet !
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Old 16th April 2019, 03:16 PM   #3159
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Little more of the puzzle.
...another piece of the puzzle:
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies

Astronomy about the Moon and asteroids is nothing to do with Sol88's electric comet insanity.
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Old 16th April 2019, 03:22 PM   #3160
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Tiny fragment of a comet found inside a meteorite
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies

Sol88 insanely cites and highlights textbook astronomy that debunks Sol88's electric comet insanity.

Comet Fragment Found Inside Meteorite May Offer Clues To Formation And Evolution Of Solar System
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Asteroids and comets both formed from the disk of gas and dust that once surrounded the young Sun, but they aggregated at different distances from it, which affected their chemical makeup. Compared to asteroids, comets contain larger fractions of water ice and far more carbon, and typically formed farther from the Sun where the environment was colder.
The quote is that comets contain water ices which is not part of Sol88's insanity.
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