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Old 7th April 2019, 07:42 PM   #1
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Brain Implants

So I was listening to a podcast this weekend about this. There's a new technique called deep brain stimulation that has had some success in treating certain conditions. They implant electrodes deep in the brain and set a voltage to them. The podcast focused on one woman involved in the early studies. She had severe OCD and depression. It was so severe at one point that she could hardly leave her room. The brain implants seem to help. Just zapping the brain with electricity. I wonder if we're all going to have something like this in the future. Of course, it isn't a simple procedure as it involves cutting a hole in your skull. Because she participated in an experimental study, it was free for her, but I imagine this would be quite expensive if it is approved for use.

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What would it be like if you could control your mood with a hand held device? Literally turn the device to different settings and make yourself happier and sadder? Alix Spiegel talks to a woman who has that power. She was part of a neuropsychiatric trial that implanted a device in her brain that was supposed to help moderate her severe OCD, which also allows her a different level of control over her mood than most of us.
Since she had her implants, which they call "chopsticks," just two long, thin electrodes implanted in the brain, they're now trying a newer model called "the octopus" with multiple electrodes. If only it didn't have to involve such a radical procedure.
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Old 7th April 2019, 07:46 PM   #2
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Look up Optogenetics if you want less invasive computer-to-brain transmissions; currently used for research.

In any case: cyborg me up! Take my money on the bits of my brain I don't use anyway!
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Old 7th April 2019, 07:58 PM   #3
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Parkinson's treatment with some success I believe.
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Old 7th April 2019, 09:16 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Parkinson's treatment with some success I believe.

Yep. For over 20 years. Puppycow has fallen for the ever so popular "it's new to me so it must be new!!" fallacy... Which in all fairness to Puppycow is likely spurned by the news medias' ploy of selling old things as new.

As SG said, this has been treating Parkinson's for decades...

Seriously though, I love how Puppycows sentence literally contains its own debunking link:

Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
There's a new technique called deep brain stimulation that has had some success in treating certain conditions.

From the first sentence of the second paragraph of that link:

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DBS has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration as a treatment for essential tremor and Parkinson's disease (PD) since 1997.

And then the very next sentence points out that even the disorder Puppycows' OP is about (OCD) has been treated by this for a decade:

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DBS was approved for dystonia in 2003, obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) in 2009, and epilepsy in 2018.


In summary, there is no "new" technique called deep brain stimulation... Unless of course you want be to tell you about this "new" thing called the "internet"!! Or perhaps more generously, these "new" things called "smartphones"...
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Old 7th April 2019, 10:39 PM   #5
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Oh, gee. I've been schooled.

I do recommend the podcast though, if you want to hear about the actual lived experience of a patient on which this was performed.
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Old 8th April 2019, 03:22 AM   #6
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Michael Crichton wrote "The Terminal Man" in 1972, about a man who has implants placed into his brain. FDA approved the procedure in 1997, so maybe the research was ongoing in 72? Or Crichton could foretell the future?
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Old 8th April 2019, 04:32 AM   #7
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Or Crichton was somewhat familiar with experiments done in the 50s and 60s:
The scientist who controlled people with brain implants. It is not an entirely new idea, it is just that microelectronics makes it all a lot more feasible.
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Old 8th April 2019, 04:43 AM   #8
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There was a group experimenting back in the 80's with putting electrodes into blind peoples brain in the visual centers, with the goal of letting them see again through cameras. I wonder what happened to it?
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This also was aired on NPR’s Morning Edition just last week. They interviewed the patient who related her experiences with varying levels of stimulation.

I admit I usually accept news items on NPR as being at least “current”.
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Old 8th April 2019, 01:10 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Earthborn View Post
Or Crichton was somewhat familiar with experiments done in the 50s and 60s:
The scientist who controlled people with brain implants. It is not an entirely new idea, it is just that microelectronics makes it all a lot more feasible.
I hadn't realized the research went back that far.
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Old 8th April 2019, 09:47 PM   #11
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Just try not to reuse them.

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Old 9th April 2019, 08:16 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Oh, gee. I've been schooled.

I do recommend the podcast though, if you want to hear about the actual lived experience of a patient on which this was performed.
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(Thanks for sharing. Very interesting)

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Old 10th April 2019, 08:55 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Dabop View Post
There was a group experimenting back in the 80's with putting electrodes into blind peoples brain in the visual centers, with the goal of letting them see again through cameras. I wonder what happened to it?

I remember that. The technology of the time simply wasn't up to the task. There is still ongoing research into this and other direct-brain stimulation techniques for addressing various disabilities. As the technology improves, they come closer to being feasible.
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Old 10th April 2019, 09:23 AM   #15
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There are glasses with cameras coupled wirelessly to low-resolution electrodes in the optical nerve that give blind person enough vision to avoid obstacles.
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