Conservative 'Moms' group slams Burger King for using 'the d-word' in a commercial - Page 3

Matthew Best · 14th January 2020, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

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theprestige · 14th January 2020, 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

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Was there some sort of argument you wanted to make, or is this just a personal dig?

theprestige · 14th January 2020, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by Matthew Best

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How is this any more relevant than the last time it was brought up in this thread?

Matthew Best · 14th January 2020, 04:23 AM

You said "I'm pretty sure the time has not yet come for "damn" to enter the main stream of commercial speech."

I think you're King Canute.

theprestige · 14th January 2020, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Matthew Best

You said "I'm pretty sure the time has not yet come for "damn" to enter the main stream of commercial speech."

I think you're King Canute.

Why?

Armitage72 · 14th January 2020, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Frankly, my dear . . .

IIRC, "damn" was not among the words that George Carlin said you can't say on TV. Those are the ones that the FCC would fine the broadcaster for, if they were uttered on TV (before 10 pm, iirc).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words

It probably isn't an exhaustive list.

Off the top of my head, I remember an episode of "The Jeffersons" in which Florence became engaged to a minister, who turned out to be extremely uptight, prudish, and domineering. When her friends threw them a party, someone gave her some sexy lingerie as a gift. She took it out of the box and was holding it up to admire it. Her fiancee became increasingly agitated until he lost his temper and shouted "Put that damn thing away!!"

elgarak · 14th January 2020, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by casebro

Doe those "c-word" types realize that the English origin of "damn" is from the German word "Dammen", meaning women?

I thought the D would have been for "dumb", and the SJWs are complaining about it being pejorative of the low IQ of themselves.

You mean "Dame" (with a long "a", meaning lady), which stems from latin "domina".

"Dammen" (with 2 "m") is only used in German as a declination of the word "Damm", meaning "dam" (which holds back water.)

"damn" shares its roots with the German verb "verdammen", stemming from latin "damnum" (loss, damage, penalty.)

Matthew Best · 14th January 2020, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Why?

Because I believe that the time has long since passed when "damn" entered the main stream of commercial speech.

plague311 · 14th January 2020, 07:06 AM

If damn refers to God's damning people, that must mean that hell is still a bad one, right? Damn, hell, ass, and the like? Seem pretty mundane to me. Normal words in the plague311 household.

Joe Random · 14th January 2020, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Wudang

IIRC one million moms is a one ~~shitbrain~~ woman org. 41k followers on fb?
nixcraft has 280,662 people follow this
Scibabe: 317,577 people follow this
Insufferably Intolerant Science Nerd: 342,000 people follow this

Somehow this "group" got on the media's list of "idiots who will spout crazy **** on air" for attention and so they pop up in the news like the science whores who write articles on the scientifically perfect formula for a cup of tea. Wastes of oxygen.

For a while now I've had my own personal variant of Betteridge's Law : any online news article with a headline using the words "blasts" or "slams" can be ignored as click-bait.

theprestige · 14th January 2020, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Matthew Best

Because I believe that the time has long since passed when "damn" entered the main stream of commercial speech.

Your examples aren't mainstream commercial speech.

I'm probably not being clear. I mean literally commercial speech. Advertising copy intended to spark a commercial transaction.

Not artistic speech, like you get from movie. Not political speech. Not didactic speech.

I could post dozens of clips of graphic incest porn. But that wouldn't mean the time has come for graphic incest porn to enter the mainstream of commercial speech.

So your clip, without any argument to go with it, doesn't seem like evidence of anything.

theprestige · 14th January 2020, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Wudang

IIRC one million moms is a one ~~shitbrain~~ woman org. 41k followers on fb?
nixcraft has 280,662 people follow this
Scibabe: 317,577 people follow this
Insufferably Intolerant Science Nerd: 342,000 people follow this

Somehow this "group" got on the media's list of "idiots who will spout crazy **** on air" for attention and so they pop up in the news like the science whores who write articles on the scientifically perfect formula for a cup of tea. Wastes of oxygen.

Save some of your hate for CNN.

plague311 · 14th January 2020, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Your examples aren't mainstream commercial speech.

I'm probably not being clear. I mean literally commercial speech. Advertising copy intended to spark a commercial transaction.

Not artistic speech, like you get from movie. Not political speech. Not didactic speech.

I could post dozens of clips of graphic incest porn. But that wouldn't mean the time has come for graphic incest porn to enter the mainstream of commercial speech.

So your clip, without any argument to go with it, doesn't seem like evidence of anything.

Can you please present some evidence to support the statement that it isn't time for damn to be in mainstream commercials? Why not? What's the issue? Can you please explain it in detail?

ETA:

Originally Posted by theprestige

Save some of your hate for CNN.

Why? Are Fox, Breitbart, and other conservative outlets not talking about the same thing?

Armitage72 · 14th January 2020, 07:52 AM

A quick Google search finds a recent credit card commercial in which Samuel L. Jackson promised credit card rewards "every damn day", but there were complaints about that too.

plague311 · 14th January 2020, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

A quick Google search finds a recent credit card commercial in which Samuel L. Jackson promised credit card rewards "every damn day", but there were complaints about that too.

These same morons that complained about the Popeye's commercial where it only gave the impression that they were swearing. So it's not even that the word is the problem. Any insinuation that people could ever say naughty things is the problem.

That ******* group should be renamed "One Million Karen's".

Darat · 14th January 2020, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Joe Random

For a while now I've had my own personal variant of Betteridge's Law : any online news article with a headline using the words "blasts" or "slams" can be ignored as click-bait.

That's a good one, I shall call it the Random law.

theprestige · 14th January 2020, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by plague311

Can you please present some evidence to support the statement that it isn't time for damn to be in mainstream commercials? Why not? What's the issue? Can you please explain it in detail?

ETA:

Why? Are Fox, Breitbart, and other conservative outlets not talking about the same thing?

They are, But I don't need to remind you to save some hate for them. You've got that well covered already.

plague311 · 14th January 2020, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

They are, But I don't need to remind you to save some hate for them. You've got that well covered already.

Well that conveniently ignores the bulk of my post. Sidestep duly noted. Do you know if Wudang has any hate for CNN? Does he link to them often? This seems like an attempt at snark that feel amazingly flat especially considering this weak follow up, which amounts to nothing more than a personal dig.

I digress and ask again though. Can you support your statement that damn is a problem word with anything? Was it just your opinion? If so, what is it based on?

Wudang · 14th January 2020, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Save some of your hate for CNN.

That will be hard. I have a small ammount of hate and it has to be spread across so many news organisations I've had to introduce rationing.

DuvalHMFIC · 14th January 2020, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Who even eats at Burger King? I know they are more common than McDonald's but I don't know anyone who ever eats at one except when travelling and there's literally nowhere else.

If you're talking fast food, which admittedly lowers the bar quite a bit, I'd take a burger from Burger King over just about any of the other fast food joints. It's certainly WAY better than McDonalds.

plague311 · 14th January 2020, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by DuvalHMFIC

If you're talking fast food, which admittedly lowers the bar quite a bit, I'd take a burger from Burger King over just about any of the other fast food joints. It's certainly WAY better than McDonalds.

With the introduction of doordash, uber eats, etc. and, as was mentioned up above, the increase in cost of fast food we almost don't eat at fast food places anymore. We just get better food delivered for significantly cheaper.

Papa Murphy's came out with a keto pizza, and I had one of those delivered last week. It was outstanding if someone eats keto and is looking for a bit of a break from the norm.

zooterkin · 14th January 2020, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Your examples aren't mainstream commercial speech.

I'm probably not being clear. I mean literally commercial speech. Advertising copy intended to spark a commercial transaction.

Not artistic speech, like you get from movie. Not political speech. Not didactic speech.

I could post dozens of clips of graphic incest porn. But that wouldn't mean the time has come for graphic incest porn to enter the mainstream of commercial speech.

So your clip, without any argument to go with it, doesn't seem like evidence of anything.

The examples given are nothing remotely like graphic incest porn. They are from mainstream movies and musicals from over 50 years ago, which are shown on daytime TV. My Fair Lady is rated U.

Does anyone seriously regard 'damn' as a profanity today? I'd have been more shocked by the use of 'pissed' that was apparently in a previous BK ad campaign, but that is a word that is used differently between here and there.

theprestige · 14th January 2020, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by plague311

Well that conveniently ignores the bulk of my post. Sidestep duly noted. Do you know if Wudang has any hate for CNN? Does he link to them often? This seems like an attempt at snark that feel amazingly flat especially considering this weak follow up, which amounts to nothing more than a personal dig.

I digress and ask again though. Can you support your statement that damn is a problem word with anything? Was it just your opinion? If so, what is it based on?

It was a dig at CNN, which manufactures outrage as we've seen here, but gets a pass for some reason.

plague311 · 14th January 2020, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

It was a dig at CNN, which manufactures outrage as we've seen here, but gets a pass for some reason.

Ok, so you're not going to actually address the topic of the thread or the posts? Just continue with this lame mockery of CNN?

I'll leave you to it

pgwenthold · 14th January 2020, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

The examples given are nothing remotely like graphic incest porn. They are from mainstream movies and musicals from over 50 years ago, which are shown on daytime TV. My Fair Lady is rated U.
.

Your mention of My Fair Lady just reminds of me another show, "Damn Yankees"

I saw the ads all over the place when it was being performed. It first came out on Broadway in 1955. I'm sure the Million Moms were outraged!

theprestige · 14th January 2020, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by plague311

Ok, so you're not going to actually address the topic of the thread or the posts? Just continue with this lame mockery of CNN?

I have addressed the topic of the thread. And several posts. My remarks about CNN are not mockery. They're criticism. CNN manufactures outrage to drive clicks. This story is a perfect example.

The other thing that's bothering you was a throwaway opinion. I'm not going to bother defending it or retracting it. Clearly Burger King's ad company disagrees. Feel free to defer to their expertise if you like.

At this point I'm much more interested in why that idea prompted such an adversarial response from you. And why you're being so defensive about CNN.

Dave Rogers · 14th January 2020, 09:12 AM

I wonder whether the ad company had read this (note: contains a fair bit of NSFW language, as you'd expect from the subject matter). While I'm a little uncertain about the control of counfounding variables (in particular, I think the mobile phone ad would have worked much better by moving the expletive one word to the left,) it's interesting that it comes to the conclusion that "damn" is the most acceptable swear word in an advert, and hence presumably offers the best cost/benefit ratio.

Dave

theprestige · 14th January 2020, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

The examples given are nothing remotely like graphic incest porn. They are from mainstream movies and musicals from over 50 years ago, which are shown on daytime TV. My Fair Lady is rated U.

Noted. And yet even 50 years later, ad copy still doesn't often resort to the word "damn" to sell product.

Quote:

Does anyone seriously regard 'damn' as a profanity today?

Probably. There's a lot of different people in the world, and a great diversity of opinions about things.

But the question really isn't one of profanity. More of politeness. If "damn" is still profanity, it's surely a very mild form of profanity. But not too mild! I think BK is probably gambling that "damn" is still profane enough to shock viewers and draw attention, but mild enough that whatever outrage it provokes is more than offset by the attention it gets.

plague311 · 14th January 2020, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

I have addressed the topic of the thread. And several posts. My remarks about CNN are not mockery. They're criticism. CNN manufactures outrage to drive clicks. This story is a perfect example.

Originally Posted by theprestige

The other thing that's bothering you was a throwaway opinion. I'm not going to bother defending it or retracting it. Clearly Burger King's ad company disagrees. Feel free to defer to their expertise if you like.

Standard operating procedure it appears.

Originally Posted by theprestige

At this point I'm much more interested in why that idea prompted such an adversarial response from you. And why you're being so defensive about CNN.

Of course you are because you don't have to defend anything you've said. I'm clearly not being any more defensive about CNN than you are being offensive. In a thread that has **** all to do with CNN, yet here you are literally trying to make it the subject of our discussion. So strange.

Mongrel · 14th January 2020, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

When I heard "d word" I assumed it would be "dick" and wondered how on earth it would be used in a BK ad.

Given where the 'complaint' was coming from, I was going for "diversity"

zooterkin · 14th January 2020, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Noted. And yet even 50 years later, ad copy still doesn't often resort to the word "damn" to sell product.

Probably. There's a lot of different people in the world, and a great diversity of opinions about things.

But the question really isn't one of profanity. More of politeness. If "damn" is still profanity, it's surely a very mild form of profanity. But not too mild! I think BK is probably gambling that "damn" is still profane enough to shock viewers and draw attention, but mild enough that whatever outrage it provokes is more than offset by the attention it gets.

The question is, what do you think? I ask because your initial remark was:

Originally Posted by theprestige

...
Also, I'm pretty sure the time has not yet come for "damn" to enter the main stream of commercial speech.

Why not? You don't seem convinced that it's even a profanity.

theprestige · 14th January 2020, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by plague311

: rolleyes :

What exactly is the nature of your concern?

Quote:

Standard operating procedure it appears.

Not at all. I present and defend arguments here all the time. But sometimes I just have a casual opinion. And I don't always see any need to defend something just because you're being adversarial about it, and trying to demand support or withdrawal. It's a casual opinion. Nothing important hangs on it. Try to relax a bit.

Quote:

Of course you are because you don't have to defend anything you've said. I'm clearly not being any more defensive about CNN than you are being offensive. In a thread that has **** all to do with CNN, yet here you are literally trying to make it the subject of our discussion. So strange.

The thread is about something CNN reported. As has been pointed out, the group they're reporting on is relatively small and inconsequential. And yet here we are.

Both of my remarks were simple sidebars. Take them or leave them. If you think it's better to focus on some other aspect of the story, be my guest. Nobody's forcing you to defend CNN's honor.

theprestige · 14th January 2020, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

The question is, what do you think? I ask because your initial remark was:

Why not? You don't seem convinced that it's even a profanity.

I think the BK ad is an outlier, and that we're probably not going to see a lot more of "damn" in mainstream advertising copy any time soon.

Pure conjecture, mind you. It's not even that important to me. I'm responding mainly out of politeness, even though I've been getting nothing but snark and combativeness in return. Right now, you seem to care more about the proposition than I do. Why is the idea that "damn" has become mainstream so important to you?

Meadmaker · 14th January 2020, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Elagabalus

I was going to ask this in the vegan thread, has anyone tried the impossible whopper? Is it as good as they say?

I tried one the other day. It was good. I'm not vegetarian. I wouldn't mistake it for beef if I were paying attention, but it's still good.

Giordano · 14th January 2020, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

What exactly is the nature of your concern?

Not at all. I present and defend arguments here all the time. But sometimes I just have a casual opinion. And I don't always see any need to defend something just because you're being adversarial about it, and trying to demand support or withdrawal. It's a casual opinion. Nothing important hangs on it. Try to relax a bit.

The thread is about something CNN reported. As has been pointed out, the group they're reporting on is relatively small and inconsequential. And yet here we are.

Both of my remarks were simple sidebars. Take them or leave them. If you think it's better to focus on some other aspect of the story, be my guest. Nobody's forcing you to defend CNN's honor.

Ah - that's an interesting way to label it. Casual - as in not really believing it yourself and just wanting a debate? And that you don't always see a need to defend something just because someone is adversarial about it? Fine: neither are against the MA nor unethical. It is just useful to know if one is considering a response to certain of your posts.

plague311 · 14th January 2020, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Giordano

Ah - that's an interesting way to label it. Casual - as in not really believing it yourself and just wanting a debate? And that you don't always see a nieed to defend something just because someone is adversarial about it? Fine: neither are against the MA nor unethical. It is just useful to know if one is considering a response to certain of your posts.

Pretty much why I didn't bother mustering a reply. Why should I debate something with someone that admits they don't really care about their own opinion? I'll pass.

ahhell · 14th January 2020, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by plague311

Of course you are because you don't have to defend anything you've said. I'm clearly not being any more defensive about CNN than you are being offensive. In a thread that has **** all to do with CNN, yet here you are literally trying to make it the subject of our discussion. So strange.

This is just silly, the OP is a link to a CNN story. Its totally legit to say, "this isn't news and its BS for CNN to report on it."

This is a pretty common thing these days and news agencies deserved to be called out on it.

Headline, "X group protests this silly thing!, OMG isn't that silly!"

Actual story, some small subset of X group with little purpose or actual support is deliberately provoking a response from their opposition to generate publicity.

Giordano · 14th January 2020, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

I tried one the other day. It was good. I'm not vegetarian. I wouldn't mistake it for beef if I were paying attention, but it's still good.

^This. I have also tried several of the "not beef" types of patties that I bought at a supermarket, cooked at home, and used in blind taste tests. Generally they are better than adequate and to agree with you, but flip it slightly, they could be mistaken for beef if one was not paying close attention. I would not call them "Darn good!"

I am not a vegetarian either.

Overall I would not mind being served these and they do represent a novelty. But I am uncertain as their overall advantages/disadvantages for non-vegetarians. They are more expensive than beef. They typically have significant amounts of fat and salt. Presumably they reduce the need for farting cattle, but being highly engineered I wonder about their overall carbon footprint, etc.

plague311 · 14th January 2020, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by ahhell

This is just silly, the OP is a link to a CNN story. Its totally legit to say, "this isn't news and its BS for CNN to report on it."

The purpose of the thread isn't "bitch about CNN reporting on a story". He also didn't say it was silly or BS. He said to reserve hate for CNN.

Originally Posted by ahhell

This is a pretty common thing these days and news agencies deserved to be called out on it.

Headline, "X group protests this silly thing!, OMG isn't that silly!"

Ok, so what you do is, on a discussion forum, you start a thread that says "News Agencies do stories on things I think are silly". That would be a thread where it's the topic.

CNN isn't the individual news station reporting on it, and theprestige admitted as much. Fox, CNN, CBS, etc. are all reporting the same story. So if you want to call "news agencies" out for it, then call them all out or else it's really just bias, isn't it?

Originally Posted by ahhell

Actual story, some small subset of X group with little purpose or actual support is deliberately provoking a response from their opposition to generate publicity.

Arcade22 · 14th January 2020, 10:51 AM

A message to all the "concerned moms" out there: the fact that you squeezed out one or more runts does not entitle you to be a censor of public morals.

14th January 2020, 06:59 AM	#87
elgarak Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 4,472	Originally Posted by casebro Doe those "c-word" types realize that the English origin of "damn" is from the German word "Dammen", meaning women? I thought the D would have been for "dumb", and the SJWs are complaining about it being pejorative of the low IQ of themselves. You mean "Dame" (with a long "a", meaning lady), which stems from latin "domina". "Dammen" (with 2 "m") is only used in German as a declination of the word "Damm", meaning "dam" (which holds back water.) "damn" shares its roots with the German verb "verdammen", stemming from latin "damnum" (loss, damage, penalty.)
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14th January 2020, 07:06 AM	#89
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 8,388	If damn refers to God's damning people, that must mean that hell is still a bad one, right? Damn, hell, ass, and the like? Seem pretty mundane to me. Normal words in the plague311 household.
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14th January 2020, 07:52 AM	#93
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 8,388	Originally Posted by theprestige Your examples aren't mainstream commercial speech. I'm probably not being clear. I mean literally commercial speech. Advertising copy intended to spark a commercial transaction. Not artistic speech, like you get from movie. Not political speech. Not didactic speech. I could post dozens of clips of graphic incest porn. But that wouldn't mean the time has come for graphic incest porn to enter the mainstream of commercial speech. So your clip, without any argument to go with it, doesn't seem like evidence of anything. Can you please present some evidence to support the statement that it isn't time for damn to be in mainstream commercials? Why not? What's the issue? Can you please explain it in detail? ETA: Originally Posted by theprestige Save some of your hate for CNN. Why? Are Fox, Breitbart, and other conservative outlets not talking about the same thing?
	__________________ "Circumcision and death threats go together like milk and cookies." - William Parcher “There are times when the mind is dealt such a blow it hides itself in insanity. While this may not seem beneficial, it is. There are times when reality is nothing but pain, and to escape that pain the mind must leave reality behind.” - Patrick Rothfuss Last edited by plague311; 14th January 2020 at 07:53 AM.

14th January 2020, 07:55 AM	#95
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 8,388	Originally Posted by Armitage72 A quick Google search finds a recent credit card commercial in which Samuel L. Jackson promised credit card rewards "every damn day", but there were complaints about that too. These same morons that complained about the Popeye's commercial where it only gave the impression that they were swearing. So it's not even that the word is the problem. Any insinuation that people could ever say naughty things is the problem. That ******* group should be renamed "One Million Karen's".
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14th January 2020, 08:00 AM	#96
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 96,130	Originally Posted by Joe Random For a while now I've had my own personal variant of Betteridge's Law : any online news article with a headline using the words "blasts" or "slams" can be ignored as click-bait. That's a good one, I shall call it the Random law.
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14th January 2020, 04:23 AM	#84
Matthew Best Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Leicester Square, London Posts: 8,087	You said "I'm pretty sure the time has not yet come for "damn" to enter the main stream of commercial speech." I think you're King Canute.

14th January 2020, 04:49 AM	#85
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 48,625	Originally Posted by Matthew Best You said "I'm pretty sure the time has not yet come for "damn" to enter the main stream of commercial speech." I think you're King Canute. Why?

14th January 2020, 06:43 AM	#86
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 5,186	Originally Posted by Puppycow Frankly, my dear . . . IIRC, "damn" was not among the words that George Carlin said you can't say on TV. Those are the ones that the FCC would fine the broadcaster for, if they were uttered on TV (before 10 pm, iirc). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words It probably isn't an exhaustive list. Off the top of my head, I remember an episode of "The Jeffersons" in which Florence became engaged to a minister, who turned out to be extremely uptight, prudish, and domineering. When her friends threw them a party, someone gave her some sexy lingerie as a gift. She took it out of the box and was holding it up to admire it. Her fiancee became increasingly agitated until he lost his temper and shouted "Put that damn thing away!!"

14th January 2020, 07:02 AM	#88
Matthew Best Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Leicester Square, London Posts: 8,087	Originally Posted by theprestige Why? Because I believe that the time has long since passed when "damn" entered the main stream of commercial speech.

14th January 2020, 07:07 AM	#90
Joe Random Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,690	Originally Posted by Wudang IIRC one million moms is a one ~~shitbrain~~ woman org. 41k followers on fb? nixcraft has 280,662 people follow this Scibabe: 317,577 people follow this Insufferably Intolerant Science Nerd: 342,000 people follow this Somehow this "group" got on the media's list of "idiots who will spout crazy **** on air" for attention and so they pop up in the news like the science whores who write articles on the scientifically perfect formula for a cup of tea. Wastes of oxygen. For a while now I've had my own personal variant of Betteridge's Law : any online news article with a headline using the words "blasts" or "slams" can be ignored as click-bait.

14th January 2020, 07:44 AM	#91
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 48,625	Originally Posted by Matthew Best Because I believe that the time has long since passed when "damn" entered the main stream of commercial speech. Your examples aren't mainstream commercial speech. I'm probably not being clear. I mean literally commercial speech. Advertising copy intended to spark a commercial transaction. Not artistic speech, like you get from movie. Not political speech. Not didactic speech. I could post dozens of clips of graphic incest porn. But that wouldn't mean the time has come for graphic incest porn to enter the mainstream of commercial speech. So your clip, without any argument to go with it, doesn't seem like evidence of anything.

14th January 2020, 07:45 AM	#92
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 48,625	Originally Posted by Wudang IIRC one million moms is a one ~~shitbrain~~ woman org. 41k followers on fb? nixcraft has 280,662 people follow this Scibabe: 317,577 people follow this Insufferably Intolerant Science Nerd: 342,000 people follow this Somehow this "group" got on the media's list of "idiots who will spout crazy **** on air" for attention and so they pop up in the news like the science whores who write articles on the scientifically perfect formula for a cup of tea. Wastes of oxygen. Save some of your hate for CNN.

14th January 2020, 08:02 AM	#97
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 48,625	Originally Posted by plague311 Can you please present some evidence to support the statement that it isn't time for damn to be in mainstream commercials? Why not? What's the issue? Can you please explain it in detail? ETA: Why? Are Fox, Breitbart, and other conservative outlets not talking about the same thing? They are, But I don't need to remind you to save some hate for them. You've got that well covered already.

14th January 2020, 08:09 AM	#98
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 8,388	Originally Posted by theprestige They are, But I don't need to remind you to save some hate for them. You've got that well covered already. Well that conveniently ignores the bulk of my post. Sidestep duly noted. Do you know if Wudang has any hate for CNN? Does he link to them often? This seems like an attempt at snark that feel amazingly flat especially considering this weak follow up, which amounts to nothing more than a personal dig. I digress and ask again though. Can you support your statement that damn is a problem word with anything? Was it just your opinion? If so, what is it based on?
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14th January 2020, 08:10 AM	#99
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,386	Originally Posted by theprestige Save some of your hate for CNN. That will be hard. I have a small ammount of hate and it has to be spread across so many news organisations I've had to introduce rationing.
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14th January 2020, 08:11 AM	#100
DuvalHMFIC Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,545	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Who even eats at Burger King? I know they are more common than McDonald's but I don't know anyone who ever eats at one except when travelling and there's literally nowhere else. If you're talking fast food, which admittedly lowers the bar quite a bit, I'd take a burger from Burger King over just about any of the other fast food joints. It's certainly WAY better than McDonalds.
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14th January 2020, 08:14 AM	#101
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 8,388	Originally Posted by DuvalHMFIC If you're talking fast food, which admittedly lowers the bar quite a bit, I'd take a burger from Burger King over just about any of the other fast food joints. It's certainly WAY better than McDonalds. With the introduction of doordash, uber eats, etc. and, as was mentioned up above, the increase in cost of fast food we almost don't eat at fast food places anymore. We just get better food delivered for significantly cheaper. Papa Murphy's came out with a keto pizza, and I had one of those delivered last week. It was outstanding if someone eats keto and is looking for a bit of a break from the norm.
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14th January 2020, 08:23 AM	#102
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Administrator Photo Contest Winner Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, mostly Posts: 48,023	Originally Posted by theprestige Your examples aren't mainstream commercial speech. I'm probably not being clear. I mean literally commercial speech. Advertising copy intended to spark a commercial transaction. Not artistic speech, like you get from movie. Not political speech. Not didactic speech. I could post dozens of clips of graphic incest porn. But that wouldn't mean the time has come for graphic incest porn to enter the mainstream of commercial speech. So your clip, without any argument to go with it, doesn't seem like evidence of anything. The examples given are nothing remotely like graphic incest porn. They are from mainstream movies and musicals from over 50 years ago, which are shown on daytime TV. My Fair Lady is rated U. Does anyone seriously regard 'damn' as a profanity today? I'd have been more shocked by the use of 'pissed' that was apparently in a previous BK ad campaign, but that is a word that is used differently between here and there.
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14th January 2020, 08:23 AM	#103
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 48,625	Originally Posted by plague311 Well that conveniently ignores the bulk of my post. Sidestep duly noted. Do you know if Wudang has any hate for CNN? Does he link to them often? This seems like an attempt at snark that feel amazingly flat especially considering this weak follow up, which amounts to nothing more than a personal dig. I digress and ask again though. Can you support your statement that damn is a problem word with anything? Was it just your opinion? If so, what is it based on? It was a dig at CNN, which manufactures outrage as we've seen here, but gets a pass for some reason.

14th January 2020, 08:38 AM	#104
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 8,388	Originally Posted by theprestige It was a dig at CNN, which manufactures outrage as we've seen here, but gets a pass for some reason. Ok, so you're not going to actually address the topic of the thread or the posts? Just continue with this lame mockery of CNN? I'll leave you to it
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14th January 2020, 08:45 AM	#105
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,058	Originally Posted by zooterkin The examples given are nothing remotely like graphic incest porn. They are from mainstream movies and musicals from over 50 years ago, which are shown on daytime TV. My Fair Lady is rated U. . Your mention of My Fair Lady just reminds of me another show, "Damn Yankees" I saw the ads all over the place when it was being performed. It first came out on Broadway in 1955. I'm sure the Million Moms were outraged!
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14th January 2020, 09:08 AM	#106
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 48,625	Originally Posted by plague311 Ok, so you're not going to actually address the topic of the thread or the posts? Just continue with this lame mockery of CNN? I have addressed the topic of the thread. And several posts. My remarks about CNN are not mockery. They're criticism. CNN manufactures outrage to drive clicks. This story is a perfect example. The other thing that's bothering you was a throwaway opinion. I'm not going to bother defending it or retracting it. Clearly Burger King's ad company disagrees. Feel free to defer to their expertise if you like. At this point I'm much more interested in why that idea prompted such an adversarial response from you. And why you're being so defensive about CNN.

14th January 2020, 09:12 AM	#107
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 32,249	I wonder whether the ad company had read this (note: contains a fair bit of NSFW language, as you'd expect from the subject matter). While I'm a little uncertain about the control of counfounding variables (in particular, I think the mobile phone ad would have worked much better by moving the expletive one word to the left,) it's interesting that it comes to the conclusion that "damn" is the most acceptable swear word in an advert, and hence presumably offers the best cost/benefit ratio. Dave
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14th January 2020, 09:14 AM	#108
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 48,625	Originally Posted by zooterkin The examples given are nothing remotely like graphic incest porn. They are from mainstream movies and musicals from over 50 years ago, which are shown on daytime TV. My Fair Lady is rated U. Noted. And yet even 50 years later, ad copy still doesn't often resort to the word "damn" to sell product. Quote: Does anyone seriously regard 'damn' as a profanity today? Probably. There's a lot of different people in the world, and a great diversity of opinions about things. But the question really isn't one of profanity. More of politeness. If "damn" is still profanity, it's surely a very mild form of profanity. But not too mild! I think BK is probably gambling that "damn" is still profane enough to shock viewers and draw attention, but mild enough that whatever outrage it provokes is more than offset by the attention it gets.

14th January 2020, 09:17 AM	#109
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 8,388	Originally Posted by theprestige I have addressed the topic of the thread. And several posts. My remarks about CNN are not mockery. They're criticism. CNN manufactures outrage to drive clicks. This story is a perfect example. Originally Posted by theprestige The other thing that's bothering you was a throwaway opinion. I'm not going to bother defending it or retracting it. Clearly Burger King's ad company disagrees. Feel free to defer to their expertise if you like. Standard operating procedure it appears. Originally Posted by theprestige At this point I'm much more interested in why that idea prompted such an adversarial response from you. And why you're being so defensive about CNN. Of course you are because you don't have to defend anything you've said. I'm clearly not being any more defensive about CNN than you are being offensive. In a thread that has **** all to do with CNN, yet here you are literally trying to make it the subject of our discussion. So strange.
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14th January 2020, 09:27 AM	#110
Mongrel Begging for Scraps Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK, suburbia. 20 minutes in the future Posts: 2,023	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey When I heard "d word" I assumed it would be "dick" and wondered how on earth it would be used in a BK ad. Given where the 'complaint' was coming from, I was going for "diversity"
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14th January 2020, 09:27 AM	#111
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Administrator Photo Contest Winner Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, mostly Posts: 48,023	Originally Posted by theprestige Noted. And yet even 50 years later, ad copy still doesn't often resort to the word "damn" to sell product. Probably. There's a lot of different people in the world, and a great diversity of opinions about things. But the question really isn't one of profanity. More of politeness. If "damn" is still profanity, it's surely a very mild form of profanity. But not too mild! I think BK is probably gambling that "damn" is still profane enough to shock viewers and draw attention, but mild enough that whatever outrage it provokes is more than offset by the attention it gets. The question is, what do you think? I ask because your initial remark was: Originally Posted by theprestige ... Also, I'm pretty sure the time has not yet come for "damn" to enter the main stream of commercial speech. Why not? You don't seem convinced that it's even a profanity.
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14th January 2020, 09:51 AM	#112
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 48,625	Originally Posted by plague311 : rolleyes : What exactly is the nature of your concern? Quote: Standard operating procedure it appears. Not at all. I present and defend arguments here all the time. But sometimes I just have a casual opinion. And I don't always see any need to defend something just because you're being adversarial about it, and trying to demand support or withdrawal. It's a casual opinion. Nothing important hangs on it. Try to relax a bit. Quote: Of course you are because you don't have to defend anything you've said. I'm clearly not being any more defensive about CNN than you are being offensive. In a thread that has **** all to do with CNN, yet here you are literally trying to make it the subject of our discussion. So strange. The thread is about something CNN reported. As has been pointed out, the group they're reporting on is relatively small and inconsequential. And yet here we are. Both of my remarks were simple sidebars. Take them or leave them. If you think it's better to focus on some other aspect of the story, be my guest. Nobody's forcing you to defend CNN's honor.

14th January 2020, 09:55 AM	#113
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 48,625	Originally Posted by zooterkin The question is, what do you think? I ask because your initial remark was: Why not? You don't seem convinced that it's even a profanity. I think the BK ad is an outlier, and that we're probably not going to see a lot more of "damn" in mainstream advertising copy any time soon. Pure conjecture, mind you. It's not even that important to me. I'm responding mainly out of politeness, even though I've been getting nothing but snark and combativeness in return. Right now, you seem to care more about the proposition than I do. Why is the idea that "damn" has become mainstream so important to you?

14th January 2020, 10:12 AM	#114
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 24,827	Originally Posted by Elagabalus I was going to ask this in the vegan thread, has anyone tried the impossible whopper? Is it as good as they say? I tried one the other day. It was good. I'm not vegetarian. I wouldn't mistake it for beef if I were paying attention, but it's still good.

14th January 2020, 10:23 AM	#115
Giordano Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 17,646	Originally Posted by theprestige What exactly is the nature of your concern? Not at all. I present and defend arguments here all the time. But sometimes I just have a casual opinion. And I don't always see any need to defend something just because you're being adversarial about it, and trying to demand support or withdrawal. It's a casual opinion. Nothing important hangs on it. Try to relax a bit. The thread is about something CNN reported. As has been pointed out, the group they're reporting on is relatively small and inconsequential. And yet here we are. Both of my remarks were simple sidebars. Take them or leave them. If you think it's better to focus on some other aspect of the story, be my guest. Nobody's forcing you to defend CNN's honor. Ah - that's an interesting way to label it. Casual - as in not really believing it yourself and just wanting a debate? And that you don't always see a need to defend something just because someone is adversarial about it? Fine: neither are against the MA nor unethical. It is just useful to know if one is considering a response to certain of your posts.
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14th January 2020, 10:28 AM	#116
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 8,388	Originally Posted by Giordano Ah - that's an interesting way to label it. Casual - as in not really believing it yourself and just wanting a debate? And that you don't always see a nieed to defend something just because someone is adversarial about it? Fine: neither are against the MA nor unethical. It is just useful to know if one is considering a response to certain of your posts. Pretty much why I didn't bother mustering a reply. Why should I debate something with someone that admits they don't really care about their own opinion? I'll pass.
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14th January 2020, 10:30 AM	#117
ahhell Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 3,370	Originally Posted by plague311 Of course you are because you don't have to defend anything you've said. I'm clearly not being any more defensive about CNN than you are being offensive. In a thread that has **** all to do with CNN, yet here you are literally trying to make it the subject of our discussion. So strange. This is just silly, the OP is a link to a CNN story. Its totally legit to say, "this isn't news and its BS for CNN to report on it." This is a pretty common thing these days and news agencies deserved to be called out on it. Headline, "X group protests this silly thing!, OMG isn't that silly!" Actual story, some small subset of X group with little purpose or actual support is deliberately provoking a response from their opposition to generate publicity.
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14th January 2020, 10:31 AM	#118
Giordano Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 17,646	Originally Posted by Meadmaker I tried one the other day. It was good. I'm not vegetarian. I wouldn't mistake it for beef if I were paying attention, but it's still good. ^This. I have also tried several of the "not beef" types of patties that I bought at a supermarket, cooked at home, and used in blind taste tests. Generally they are better than adequate and to agree with you, but flip it slightly, they could be mistaken for beef if one was not paying close attention. I would not call them "Darn good!" I am not a vegetarian either. Overall I would not mind being served these and they do represent a novelty. But I am uncertain as their overall advantages/disadvantages for non-vegetarians. They are more expensive than beef. They typically have significant amounts of fat and salt. Presumably they reduce the need for farting cattle, but being highly engineered I wonder about their overall carbon footprint, etc.

14th January 2020, 10:35 AM	#119
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 8,388	Originally Posted by ahhell This is just silly, the OP is a link to a CNN story. Its totally legit to say, "this isn't news and its BS for CNN to report on it." The purpose of the thread isn't "bitch about CNN reporting on a story". He also didn't say it was silly or BS. He said to reserve hate for CNN. Originally Posted by ahhell This is a pretty common thing these days and news agencies deserved to be called out on it. Headline, "X group protests this silly thing!, OMG isn't that silly!" Ok, so what you do is, on a discussion forum, you start a thread that says "News Agencies do stories on things I think are silly". That would be a thread where it's the topic. CNN isn't the individual news station reporting on it, and theprestige admitted as much. Fox, CNN, CBS, etc. are all reporting the same story. So if you want to call "news agencies" out for it, then call them all out or else it's really just bias, isn't it? Originally Posted by ahhell Actual story, some small subset of X group with little purpose or actual support is deliberately provoking a response from their opposition to generate publicity.
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