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So apparently Biden is open to the idea of a Republican running mate.
I do wonder if a split party ticket is something we are going to see sooner or later. |
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Yahtzee: "You're doing that thing again where when asked a question you just discuss the philosophy of the question instead of answering the bloody question." Gabriel: "Well yeah, you see..." Yahtzee: "No. When you are asked a Yes or No question the first word out of your mouth needs to be Yes or No. Only after that have you earned the right to elaborate." |
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Keep being a "Democrat" on Fox, you mean? She spent much of Obama's Presidency bashing Democrats on Fox, apparently, after all.
Mmm. The question asked to him was a bit dumb to start with. His answer was that he was open to considering it, but that there were no Republicans that he could think of then that would be acceptable. He followed that up with a call for Republicans to actually live up to the responsibility that comes with their positions. I'm not going to fault him for that, personally. Much like I'm not going to fault him telling the good Republicans to stay Republicans and reform their party from within. |
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Unlike the geriatric fools the "Democrat" party will funnel into the game (of losing to Trump), she isn't even 40 and will have the integrity credit of resigning over the DNC corruption in 2016 and refusing to take part in the laughable fake "indictment" in 2020. Integrity will be the new value after the big bubble collapses. So maybe she's planning for after the war. ![]() Bernie, the stubborn old fart, could speed it up as I have explained earlier. |
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Yahtzee: "You're doing that thing again where when asked a question you just discuss the philosophy of the question instead of answering the bloody question." Gabriel: "Well yeah, you see..." Yahtzee: "No. When you are asked a Yes or No question the first word out of your mouth needs to be Yes or No. Only after that have you earned the right to elaborate." |
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No. I'm sorry. I have a low opinion of some of the rhetoric that gets posted here from time to time.
The non-hyperbolic version of this (and I apologize for exaggerating) would be something like, "many progressives are likely to hold their noses and vote for someone outside their comfort zone, if it means nominating a candidate likely to beat Trump in the general election. So why not Gabbard?"
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I would vote for Biden on a split party ticket.
--- Actually, after typing that out and before posting it, I had an epiphany: I should vote Democrat anyway. The only thing worse than a do-nothing Congress is a Congress that gets stuff done. It's better for me, and for the nation, if the Senate and the White House remain in opposition to each other. McConnell serves me better in opposition to Biden than in support of Trump. The biggest risk is that McConnell might cave on justices, but that's a risk I'm willing to take, if it will help heal the national divide. So I guess my question is, which Democrat candidate is most likely to do that? Biden? Warren? Buttigieg? I like Gabbard, but it's not likely she get nominated. |
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"We need to help heal the divide in the country" is the Republican version of "I'm sorry I hit you, if you'll forgive me I won't hit you as often for burning dinner."
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Now you're just being contrarian.
What's your endgame, here? Are you trying to convince me to ignore my feelings on the subject? Talk me out of supporting a Democrat for president? Get me to commit to four more years of mutual hate? If so, you'll have to try harder than that. If not, maybe try the other thing instead? |
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"I'm the one trying to hold us together, but you do stuff that makes me so mad sometimes! If you'd stop being so difficult, maybe that wouldn't happen."
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No one is going to heal the divide in the country because it is the corrupt mainstream media that is the driving force of hatred toward conservatives/Republicans.
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"...Now comes the Rise of the Commoners. Yes, the Educated Gentry felt so good, fighting for the workers, minorities and women. But there was a cost; there always is. To help those helpless victims, real and fake, the Educated Gentry needed an enemy, because all politics is about Us and Them. As St. Saul wrote: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Initially that target was the rich, the corporations, the banks, the bourgeoisie, but now it is racist-sexist-homophobes, toxic masculinity, white supremacists, deplorables.
So right now the Enemy of the Educated Gentry is Commoners: ordinary people just trying to get on with their lives, to get a job, a wife, a family, a home. Nothing personal, you understand! Its just the internal logic of any politics. If the Gentry are going to use the force of government to change the world, they are going to need an enemy to fight." https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...it_wokies.html |
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I'm thinking it doesn't necessarily need to happen. I'm arguing that it doesn't necessarily need to happen.
You're trying to convince me that it does. Why? I'm trying to figure out if it actually makes sense for me to vote Democrat this year. You're arguing vehemently and offensively that it doesn't. I'm pretty sure I'm not the one on the wrong side of this question. |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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I think she's more comparable to Ron Paul, honestly. Loony, somewhat incoherent (for example, claiming to be anti-war, but loving drone strikes) policy proposals that aren't really tied to her stated party's goals, cult-like fanbase that only pays attention to what appeals to them and ignores everything else, ties to fringe ideologies, using anti-establishment status to pretend to be somewhat progressive, a history of bigoted statements, etc.
That literally just popped into my head, and I haven't completely thought it out, but it lines up surprisingly well. Better than McCain, at least. |
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I've been calling her a clearance rack Ron Paul for a while. At least Paul's strategy was understandable. Throw meat to his base and keep getting elected in his district. Outside of a primetime show on RT, FOX, or some other right wing propaganda network, I have no idea what Gabbard is looking for. A career like Ben Shapiro or Candace Owens would be a step down for her.
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"Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.
You take one step forward, he takes one step back. Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man." Basically I'm saying the demands for compromise or even promises of compromise from the GOP for a long time now have been in such bad faith that it is on them to establish some trust. 'Fool me once can't fool me again' after all. Although why engage with them here? There is a ton of diversity of opinion with actual independents and withing the Democrats themselves to discuss valid arguments and criticisms. Going through the GOP base is the same as citing an untrustworthy source on any other matter. Sure, they might have a point sometimes, but you'd have to vet it with a valid authority to figure that out. Cut out the middle man. ____________________________________________ As far as split tickets go, Bernie has that covered by himself, right? |
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The divide will be inevitably be worse in 2021 with pretty much any of the Republican leaders in charge, compared to pretty much any of the Democrat leaders. Regardless of which it might be, though, until steps are taken to deal with the root causes, both directly and indirectly, things will just keep getting worse. Those causes are certainly not only caused by Republicans, of course, but Republicans are overwhelmingly the ones that have weaponized them for political and financial gain, both exacerbating the existing problems and creating a steady stream of new problems - problems that anger Democrats in ways that the Republicans have been using to worsen the divide further.
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He didn't cave on Merrick Garland and the nation was further divided. He announced that he would proceed to approve a nomination in 2020 should that possibility arise, thereby further dividing the nation. Moscow Mitch is a disaster. Getting rid of him is
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I have heard from others in real-life that liberals hate conservatives. I see it just the opposite. So I have picked a metric to guage the problem: deaths caused by each side because killing someone over politics seems to me to be the ultimate manifestation of hate. So, give me two numbers BrooklynBaby:
ETA: To keep it simple, consider the USA only. |
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She has missed a lot of votes during her presidential campaign so she was actually not present for those (not that she voted not present). As far as her polling, she's at 1.7% as of this morning on the RCP average (9th place). In NH, where she has concentrated her campaigning, she's at 5.7% (5th place).
I support her and Sanders and also like Klobuchar as my third choice. Gabbard is right about a lot of things. This whole impeachment thing will hurt Democrats in the Presidential election. It did appease (somewhat) the hardline Democratic base, although those were going to vote Dem regardless. |
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In the state polls where cross voting is allowed in the primaries (some states allow Indies to vote in either primary) or Republicans are polled as well, she seems to have a lot of support across party lines.
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