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My hunch is that the Assassination of Suleimani will help Biden because of his experience and Sanders because of his anti-war credentials.
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My current thoughts:
Bloomberg vs Steyer. I could give a rip that they are both rich. It's just as stupid to use that as a filter as it is to say I'm not going to vote for any white male. Bloomberg is putting out incredibly effective ads. There's no way he would lose to Trump, I don't care what Biden is polling. I watched a campaign event with Steyer tonight. I agree with everything he stands for and in no way is he disingenuous. This is the candidate we need. But he's the candidate for the liberal intellectual. He's got to step up his game. |
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There are probably quality staffers to be picked up from the Harris, Castro (and soon) Booker campaigns. But the bigger point is that Bloomberg isn't even focused on the early states like everybody else. He's buying up the best staff in the later states.
It's an interesting strategy. On the one hand, he loses out on the earned media that whoever wins Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina will receive. But suppose for a moment that those states go Buttigieg, Sanders and Biden, a not unlikely scenario. As they shift resources to the later states, they will find that Bloomberg has been already been bombarding the airwaves with his ads. The problem for Bloomberg (as I see it) is that he doesn't really fit any traditional lane among the Democrats. He's obviously not progressive, not minority (well he is Jewish, but that doesn't seem to come up much, for which we can be thankful), not an environmentalist and not a woman. He seems to be trying to run in Biden and Buttigieg's lane as Mr Electable. Which might ironically work in Sanders' or Warren's favor. Sanders seems to be the flavor of the month, but I would not send Warren's campaign to the happy hunting grounds yet. |
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Do we know if quality of staffers even matter?
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What does this mean?
Is he putting out ads that say stuff you agree with? Is he putting out ads that change your mind on stuff you feel strongly about? Is he putting out ads that have good results according to reputable opinion polls? What kind of good results? Good results versus Trump? Or good results versus the other candidates he's actually competing with at the moment? |
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Bernie Sanders is the most effective candidate so far.
Democratic insiders who for years have been brushing him off have recognized that he could win the nomination. And they're no doubt worried. He does the most with less. The least big money funding. The least mainstream media coverage given his favorability among registered Democrats. It's only a matter of time before Joe Biden's name recognition sugar high wears off. |
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Most effective? Or most efficient?
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I can't imagine the effect getting any better for him, at least. Name recognition is most useful when people aren't really paying close attention. As we get closer to real voting, name recognition alone will become less valuable.
I'm hoping that anything but a strong win in the early states will pretty much tank Biden's support. A win for Bernie in these early states would be huge. Seems that many of the pundits are determined to cover him as a fringe candidate, despite his consistently strong performance. |
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So far it looks like Sanders is pretty much tied with Biden (and Buttigieg) in Iowa. He's first place in New Hampshire by a small margin. Second in Nevada.
Sanders has a significantly more enthusiastic level of support compared to Biden or Buttigieg in these early states, according to YouGov. A good chunk of Biden's support is because he's regarded as the safe choice, thinking Sanders is "too far left", again, the self-fulfilling prophecy, but there's no indication that they wouldn't vote for Sanders in the general. |
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This is politics, Bob. In particular, this thread centers on a very, very messy political process that won't end for months and months and one in which we all express our OPINIONS. If you want precision, accuracy and hard facts, go somewhere else.
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Last I saw, I think it was about 1/3 of the people for Biden were pretty much there because he was polling the highest/was being claimed to be most electable. As for indications about Bernie... depends what you count as an indication. Last I saw, Bernie and Biden's favorability ratings were roughly tied, with both having quite a significant number of people who would be disappointed if they were nominated.
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This is a skepticism forum. This is the place where claims of fact (that isn't just an opinion) should not be uttered if it doesn't survive skeptical inquiry.
Sounds like you are in the wrong place. Everywhere else spouts off claims of fact that are devoid of analysis. This is the one place that would be different. |
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This article on The Root, backed up by evidence, paints an even uglier picture of mayor Pete than was previously known nationally with regards to racism in his police force. Among other issues, the black police who left the force all described rampant racism as their reason for reason, with several filing EEOC complaint. Emails, meeting requests, complaints, and public statements, were apparently *all* unheard by one Mayor Pete. More disturbingly, the black fire chief and mayor's assistant had also been removed soon after he came into office. I can see him replacing his own assistant with a trusted ally, possibly, but police *and* fire chiefs as well?
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I don't know if Bloomberg's ads are playing in your area but the ones playing here other Democrats should be paying attention to.
Bloomberg is in the ads with 'the people' saying all the popular things he plans to do because he did them in NY.
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Just the fact Steyer is entering the TV ad market makes him more effective than the candidates that aren't. They're both investing significant money.
Steyer says the right things in his ads: climate change and taking Trump out. He looks mild mannered which is fine for me. Bloomberg is much more forceful, names a slew of things: healthcare, jobs, gun control, and touts having done specific things addressing those same issues in NY as experience. For the average voter, Bloomberg looks better. |
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All those things were said last time and he lost the primary.
You need some evidence supporting the claim Party insiders are working against either Sanders or Warren. All he had last time was the debate schedule that was rectified. Then there were Party leaders individually supporting Clinton, like a lot of us. You can't expect the DNC leaders to work to elect the candidate they aren't going to vote for. IMO Sanders overplayed this card to his detriment. OTOH, I'm quite annoyed the MSM isn't noting that Biden's lead is only because Sanders and Warren split the vote. They could at least stop treating Biden as if he is already the candidate. So I agree with you there. |
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He was the new guy last time and fairly slow to get his name out there, partly because of the pitiful coverage he received compared to the loudmouth on the other side.
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Of course you care. If you didn't care what people thought about your ad opinions, you wouldn't have posted them.
You claimed Bloomberg is putting out incredibly effective ads. Your explanation of how you know this is that you just know it. Is that really the extent of your qualifications? |
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You missed this, apparently:
Originally Posted by SG
I have been posting about messaging, marketing and propaganda since I joined the JREF in 2005. I presented (was chosen) a Sunday Paper (talk) at TAM 5 (2007) on the subject titled "Deciphering the Language Code". I spoke about George Lakoff, framing and narratives as far back as that. And I have posted about Frank Luntz's focus groups and his book, Words that Work ad nauseum when GW was in office. My posts speak for themselves. If you don't believe a particular claim or opinion I've posed on the subject of narratives, framing, propaganda or marketing you are welcome to do your own research. This is not a subject I feel particularly obligated to post a thesis bibliography on. |
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Always love it when just an example or two would suffice, several paragraphs are written explaining why that won't happen, and then finished off with lament over the effort it would take.
Really, it takes very little effort to post "I will not defend my premise" and leave it at that. |
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