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I can't tell you how many years I've heard business owners make statements like this. If we raise the minimum wage to $1.75, $2.50, $3.50 etc. I'll go out of business. It rarely is actually true.
One of the biggest problems in America is just how underpaid most of America is. |
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I wouldn't put much stock in that reply. Every time there's a change in business conditions such as minimum wage, regulatory conditions, etc. the doomsday portion of industry will claim disaster. Then, we when such changes occur, they just keep on truckin'.
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That was definitely earlier on in the conversation, but of course goes into specifics only those who's second hand anecdotes were discussed, so I picked at him to discuss the particulars of Yang's revenue model for it.
It took a lot of patiently wading through what I felt were emotional overrides, such as the aforementioned punishing of greedy tax avoiding companies, "better healthcare and education outcomes", reduced poverty, etc. But yeah, an $800B VAT is in there among other new streams of government revenue (can't put that part up front in bold letters, though :9). At that point it was easy work to show him how even if not levied on a small business directly, it raises their merchandise costs, vendor costs, nearly every model of small business is going to purchase goods or services impacted by those extra costs. Certainly, they'll cry doom over it. My main point was not to go pooh-poohing one plan to present your own favorite when they both have the same basic issue of changing the balance of expenses to income every business faces. |
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Probably, but it's never the figure that is being suggested.
The bigger problem of course is the solution to these issues are much more complicated than people are willing to address. The distribution of income and wealth has grown so tilted that it requires a radical solution. Capitalism is the greatest producer of wealth invented but we need to find ways to make it benefit more than just a few. |
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He's explained his reasoning for favoring Williamson before and it was... understandable, albeit puerile. The kind of reasoning that some Democrats likely engaged in when voting for Trump.
No need to worry, business owners regularly solve issues like that with immigrant labor. Sometimes even the kind of immigrant labor that they don't even remotely pay the official minimum wage or the kind that keeps receiving notable arbitrary cuts in what they receive. ![]() Is it worth pointing out, again, that we have a number of fairly well working examples of exactly that happening that we could take cues from? |
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Relax. I'm seriously considering voting Dem. I'm right here any time you want to engage in serious discussion about it instead of this uncivil crap.
Seriously, Willaimson is probably not the best choice. Her heart's in the right place. But her woo is probably something that should be kept out of the pulpit. |
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The white middle class was confused in 2016. Sure there was Hillary, but looking in a broad sense, it is very simple:
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Trump is losing MI WI etc
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6761.html He may still get Ohio and maybe Florida but that does not get him there. |
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On the RCP Betting odds page (based on British bookmakers), Mayor Pete has now slipped to fifth place at 10.8%, behind Bloomberg at 12.5% and Warren at 13.8%. Meanwhile, Bernie (29.4%) continues his hard charge at frontrunner Biden (33.5%).
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In the 3rd quarter of last year, Socialist Bernie spent $360,000 on private jet travel. Looks like he hasn't bought into the climate change hoax. Ditto for Biden and Mayor Pete, who spent $944,000 and $443,000 on private jet travel respectively. Hypocrisy On Parade!!!
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Yeah, they're just "living in the world" like AOC said when asked about the $19,000 she had spent on non-green travel around DC in just a few months for her and her staff.
Recall that Biden wants to jail fossil fuel executives, perhaps too stupid to understand he couldn't get around the country and run for office without them. |
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give it a Political Stundie.
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How many passengers total on the private flights?
Work out some fuel consumed/passenger figures and compare it to commercial flights, then get back to me. Otherwise, like ACBT said, what do you expect a candidate anyone can actually meet to do? Some brief looking around suggests that while it is more expensive per passenger in dollars (economies of scale, basically), a light private aircraft is vastly more efficient in fuel economy. Direct comparisons are hard to make because they are performing vastly different roles. So if they are hopping around early voting states hitting mid-sized cities, their only other option is spending half a day getting on a little jet to get on a big jet to get on another little jet because the commercial airlines aren't built for short, direct hops. There's no way they'd have a lower carbon footprint flying commercial. ETA: So what else? Trains? Charter buses? I know, a caravan of electric cars. In the middle of Iowa. Is there a...uh...charge-port around here somewhere? |
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“Do not let any calamity-howling executive with an income of $1,000 a day, who has been turning his employees over to the Government relief rolls in order to preserve his company’s undistributed reserves, tell you – using his stockholders’ money to pay the postage for his personal opinions — tell you that a wage of $11.00 a week is going to have a disastrous effect on all American industry.” (1938, Fireside Chat, the night before signing the Fair Labor Standards Act that instituted the federal minimum wage)
“No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By living wages, I mean more than a bare subsistence level — I mean the wages of a decent living.” (1933, Statement on National Industrial Recovery Act) |
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We've been through this before, man. Please learn.
First of all, it's not a hoax when observation shows that the last two decades have almost all of the highest years on record since a century and a half. Second, accepting something as true in no way implies that one will act on it immediately and fully. If it did, the GOP would no longer be considered the party of fiscal responsibility, and family values. |
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I'm in contact with some of the Democrats here in the prairie. As our votes generally mean nothing at all, there is a strange excitement about the democrats in the primary. I've seen the Andrew Yang group and Warren group plan on going door to door (just with Democratic voters, we apparently have a list).
But then after there is a candidate, the Democrats can barely get excited to vote in Nov. Only the county level issues on the same ballot we get some enthusiasm. The state, with the few electors, goes to Trump. Obama was the only time there was a chance to go Democrat in recent times. I'm not even sure what effect we had on the Hillary vs Sanders battle last time. |
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Hmm. Here's an interesting piece on older black voter reasoning and support.
Biden's in first, unsurprisingly. Why? To sum it up in a simple quote...
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Another competitor.
Total ******* nonsense. Even us plebes know this is farmers spreading cow manure hoping to sow discontent. I've known Bernie Sanders for decades. I picked him up at an airport where he flew commercially accross the country. He was carrying his own bag and he did that just to meet with a bunch of striking nurses. You do what you have to do. Want to win the presidency? Then you have to travel like you have never traveled before. You're constantly moving from one speech to your next speech to meeting after meeting to party after party. These guys take 2, 3, 4 flights in one day. Commercial flights have schedules. They aren't going to mesh well with any Presidential campaign requirements. |
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