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Old 19th December 2019, 05:02 PM   #1
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Music making...?

Many computers ago I had a "program" called "Music Maker 2005," with which I merrily whiled away many afternoons creating vile techno pastiche pieces of "music" in order to annoy my friends and relatives.

My question to the forum is: Is there a current free (or nearly) version of this type of thing available (strictly legal, of course)?

Is there more than one? If so, which is the best?

Your assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 19th December 2019, 05:42 PM   #2
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Don't know if this is what you want.

https://magix-music-studio-2005-delu....informer.com/
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I hear Audacity is pretty good. I am about to start using it for podcasts and the like. Might be worth a shot.
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Old 19th December 2019, 05:45 PM   #4
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I hear Audacity is pretty good. I am about to start using it for podcasts and the like. Might be worth a shot.
It is pretty good.
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Old 19th December 2019, 06:57 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Don't know if this is what you want.

https://magix-music-studio-2005-delu....informer.com/
Bewdy Norm. That's just what the doctor ordered! (I think. I haven't tried it yet. It might be loaded with toxic malware; in which case: Garn git ******, ya ****...)


ETA: Not what the doctor ordered, I'm afraid. Bloody thing won't run on my computer. I'll try that other thing the other boffins suggested.

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Old 19th December 2019, 07:11 PM   #6
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I use Audacity all the time. But it's for editing the music you provide rather than creating music (as far as I know).
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I use Audacity all the time. But it's for editing the music you provide rather than creating music (as far as I know).
Oh, I understood it as him clipping songs together.
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Old 19th December 2019, 07:50 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Oh, I understood it as him clipping songs together.
I was probably a bit unclear, but yes I meant some sort of editing software that comes with a library of public domain music samples. Drum tracks, snippets of various instruments etc that can be mashed together into something like this:

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Now I have Audacity, I can go find the samples all by myself.

Thanks Norm and Plague311, but most of all thanks to the fine people at Audacity, without whom this would not have been possible...
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Originally Posted by Brainache View Post
I was probably a bit unclear, but yes I meant some sort of editing software that comes with a library of public domain music samples. Drum tracks, snippets of various instruments etc that can be mashed together into something like this:

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Now I have Audacity, I can go find the samples all by myself.

Thanks Norm and Plague311, but most of all thanks to the fine people at Audacity, without whom this would not have been possible...
There are a couple extra steps if you want to export to mp3. It has to do with downloading an encoder, I think. Instructions should be easy to find on the net.
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Old 20th December 2019, 03:51 AM   #10
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There are a couple extra steps if you want to export to mp3. It has to do with downloading an encoder, I think. Instructions should be easy to find on the net.
The extra step involves using the LAME MP3 encoder, which is available as a free download. I have Audacity on my laptop, but I've gotten to where I never use it (only keep it as a backup); if you can use it, you can also use Reaper. In fact, I found Reaper to be more intuitive as far as its layout; there are a lot of features I've never used, but it does have some bells-and-whistles Audacity does not. You will still need the LAME download, when you get ready to mix-down (what they call "Render"). According to that Reaper download page, the software is functional as a trial for 60 days, then you buy. But, just between us chickens...I've been using the version I downloaded 801 days ago with (AFAICT) no loss of function. You have to put up with a nag screen, but, assuming they haven't changed it, you just wait it out and you're good to go.

Don't know if this is what Brainache needs or not- I'm just assuming that if Audacity will work, then Reaper will, with a little more flexibility and function. I use it for song composition- I paste together drum clips (including fills, percussion, cymbals, etc.) and record/mix guitar parts for original compositions, then, when they're in good enough rough shape, submit them as scratch demos to a site called Kompoz, where you can find other musicians world-wide (vocalists, bassists, drummers, keyboard players, etc.) to collaborate and flesh out your bare bones; you can also contribute to other folks' music. I've had pretty decent success there with most of my stuff, turned a couple of just-decent guitar sketches into actual fully-realized songs, with input from the right musicians. There are different levels of membership- IIRC, the basic free level allows you to contribute to as many different projects of other people as you like, and (I think) begin three or four of your own. I have the highest-level membership, which allows unlimited projects, and other goodies, and this level is only $20/month.
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Old 20th December 2019, 04:18 AM   #11
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The last patents for .mp3 have expired some time ago so LAME etc should be perfectly legal and come together with the software these days.

I had some fun with ReBirth back in the days and just went looking if there is something like this for my Android tablet. Found Acid Machine which runs in your browser. Neat.

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I hope we see more work from Brainache and others in the thread.
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Old 21st December 2019, 11:17 AM   #13
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If you have a Mac, GarageBand is a modern Magix MusicMaker equivalent and it comes free in every Mac. Comes with many loops and virtual instruments and there are many more you can get cheaply.

I used Magix back in the day and now GarageBand is my go to. I’ll post something from each when I get back home.
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GarageBand is decent.

You can also go to https://www.audiotool.com and do it online.
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Old 22nd December 2019, 03:33 AM   #15
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If you're after some proper music-making software, then Reaper is IMO the best DAW on the market. It's not technically free, but you get 2 months free trial of the fully-functional software and after that it operates on the honour system - which means that you can continue using it for free indefinitely beyond the trial period, and as and when you do buy a license (which is ridiculously cheap), it's entirely up to you which license you pay for and there's no difference in functionality between the two.

You also get a tonne of updates free. One licence entitles you to all updates until the end of the next version. So Reaper 6 dropped just a few weeks ago (it's now on 6.02), and your licence will remain valid until Reaper 8 is released. Not only is that likely to be a long time in the future (it's about 4 years between releases, so your licence should entitle you to updates for the next 8 years or so), but if you choose not to upgrade then you can still use the previous version with no penalty. It's possible that this operates on the honour system, too, although I don't actually know. I've honestly never heard of anybody not paying for it, even if they intended to stay on the free trial forever, because it's both cheap and awesome.

If you're not used to using a proper DAW you'll find it has a steep learning curve, but it's incredibly deep, powerful, and customisable. The manual is great, and there are a million tutorial videos out there, as well as helpful forums.
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I hope we see more work from Brainache and others in the thread.
Maybe even hear it!
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Here's a link to my Kompoz profile page; there are four songs there that I consider my "spotlight" tunes. "Solace" and "Presque Vu" are pretty well finished, as in having had the final mix/mastering done ("Solace" by a nephew of mine in Oregon to whom I sent the separate files, "Presque Vu" by a Kompoz collaborator in Italy who also played the drums for it). "Mrs Grales (Chance Of A Ghost)" and "Gunslinger" are the mixes I've done (in Reaper for the most part), not yet mastered, but pretty much the final arrangements. You can read there, in the notes for each tune, who did what; all of them started with song concepts and guitar compositions of mine which (kind of surprisingly) survived in their initial arrangements to the final ones (with "Presque Vu," I actually cut almost the first minute of my guitar part, since I liked the piano part so much- I don't come in until around 0:53 or so). "Solace" and "Presque Vu" were started in Reaper; the other two began as recordings in my old Boss BR1600 (a stand-alone 16-track digital recorder which I bought in 2004 and don't use anymore), and then transferred as .wav files to Reaper on my laptop and given the drum tracks (as clips pasted together) and other additions (bass, vocals, and keyboards) you hear- all in Reaper.

So...yeah, Reaper can be a little intimidating if you're not familiar at all with DAWs- but, I think, pretty intuitive if you have some little experience with them; and you can get some pretty decent results from it.

ETA- those songs can be played directly from that page- just mouse over the associated picture and press play- or you can click on "Select" and get, for some of them at least, a little history/discussion.
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You can get more than "pretty decent" results from Reaper. There are some professional producers that use it (although Pro Tools is more common because Pro Tools is more common), but it is reportedly the DAW of choice for video game companies. Ubisoft is one company that uses it, and Harmonix is another.

So you can get results that are just as good as another other professional-level DAW.
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So, two artists who use Reaper are Dom & Roland, and Tycho. That means that these tracks were produced on Reaper:

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So you can definitely get completely professional-sounding tracks out of it.
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In the past I've checked out quite a few Linux distributions that were geared around multimedia production, but unfortunately I found that most were just too bug-filled and glitchy out-of-the-box to be able to reliably use. They often had the latest and greatest in open source software installed, of course, but without things having been properly configured and tuned so that the programs worked well together - if they worked at all. I then lucked upon a distribution called Studio 13.37 geared around music production that actually seemed to behave as advertised.

It's a derivative of Puppy Linux that can be booted from a dvd or thumb drive (or from a CD with an older "lite" version) and run entirely in memory - making it a quick and responsive turnkey system. It also has a real time kernel that the music software has been compiled against allowing for low latency in the software chain.

The guy responsible for the distribution is selling the latest version for around $50 for a downloadable .iso file and for a bit more if delivered on a thumb drive, but some of the older versions have been made available as free .iso downloads.

If anyone here is interested in checking out some of the best Linux has to offer in the way of audio software - and when things are working as they are supposed to - I would recommend downloading one of these older versions and trying some stuff out. Everything including output files can be kept on the thumb drive or dvd, or you can install the distribution and/or save output files to your hard drive. (I personally just copy the system files in the .iso image to a folder and then add an entry to my GRUB boot loader to boot directly from my hard drive from the start as opposed to having to mess with a dvd or thumb drive.)

Version 2.4 is the latest free version, which you can find here along with some older versions:

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The latest commercial version is 3.3. Here's the website that gives more details as to what software is included and whatnot:

http://studio1337.pro/

If I were ready to work up some tracks, I would definitely consider buying the latest version to get the more up to date software releases even though the basic programs themselves are available for free. Lots of things have to work together with this sort of music production setup and so the tweaks and optimizations that this guy has added so that everything runs smoothly and reliably would be, I believe, well worth what he charges. The older versions are certainly still usable, though.

Reaper supposedly works in this setup too, btw, using WINE.

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Out of curiosity, I googled Magix Music Maker. Well, if you want something like that, legally, for free, then you could do worse than Magix Music Maker. It's available for free on the official website.
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Originally Posted by Brainache View Post
Many computers ago I had a "program" called "Music Maker 2005," with which I merrily whiled away many afternoons creating vile techno pastiche pieces of "music" in order to annoy my friends and relatives.

My question to the forum is: Is there a current free (or nearly) version of this type of thing available (strictly legal, of course)?

Is there more than one? If so, which is the best?

Your assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Yours in humble supplication,
Mr Brainache.
Ask a rapper or some such because they obviously make what they consider music without having a lick of musical talent.

"What key is that in?"

"I just hits the "X" key and it makes this low bass sound yo"

"So the key of "X" - man I didn't know you a musician, brah!"

"You should see my lyrics..."

I've used Garage Band on my iPad a few times for prototyping. Are you a musician? Haven't seen that mentioned yet.
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Ask a rapper or some such because they obviously make what they consider music without having a lick of musical talent.

"What key is that in?"

"I just hits the "X" key and it makes this low bass sound yo"

"So the key of "X" - man I didn't know you a musician, brah!"

"You should see my lyrics..."

I've used Garage Band on my iPad a few times for prototyping. Are you a musician? Haven't seen that mentioned yet.

OK, Boomer.
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OK, Boomer.


Now that's ******* funny because I was thinking the same thing.
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I hear Audacity is pretty good. I am about to start using it for podcasts and the like. Might be worth a shot.
I'm relatively sure that this has turned up on Humble Bundle at some point so it's may be worthwhile checking them once a week to see what's new and\or useful (they've moved from mostly games to mostly utility so there's normally something that you may find interesting)
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Now that's ******* funny because I was thinking the same thing.
We Boomers had the best music. Your barbs fail to sting, coming as they do from an inferiority complex.
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Originally Posted by Ron Obvious View Post
We Boomers had the best music. Your barbs fail to sting, coming as they do from an inferiority complex.
This is heavy with irony because “OK, boomer” is a response to out of touch arrogance and not your generational age.

So... OK, boomer.
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This is heavy with irony because “OK, boomer” is a response to out of touch arrogance and not your generational age.

So... OK, boomer.
As long as we understand each other.
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Haha, more than any other forum JREF makes me feel young.

Grew up on 50s/60s/70s pop, folk and rock and asides from a handful of exceptions it was a pretty terrible time for this Gen X’er.
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How old do you have to be to be all "get off my lawn!" about a genre that's been around since the 70s?
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Out of curiosity, I googled Magix Music Maker. Well, if you want something like that, legally, for free, then you could do worse than Magix Music Maker. It's available for free on the official website.
Exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks Mr Beckenheim.
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