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Old 3rd October 2017, 06:58 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
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To be fair to Trump, he was sitting next to the governor, asked him if the number was 17, and the governor said 16....
Hurricane Maria death toll jumps to 34 in Puerto Rico
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Old 3rd October 2017, 07:30 PM   #162
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One of Trump's favorite business moves (screwing creditors) aligns with his Presidency's needs but it's not up to him.
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Old 3rd October 2017, 07:46 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post

I question the utility of using death tolls as a measure of the extent of disasters. By that metric the shooting at Las Vegas was nearly as big a disaster as Harvey or Irma.

Having said that, this new number itself gives us an idea of how total the devastation is in PR. Two weeks later, and they are still counting, because there is so much damage.

And there still remains a significant portion of the island where they haven't even been able to access well enough to get a complete survey of the cost in human lives.

Good thing for them it wasn't a "real catastrophe", I guess.
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
I haven't read the news articles yet. Those are real quotes? Really?
I usually avoid actually hearing him but they cut in the feed on my morning drive. It would have been a fine performance for the emcee of a local Elk Lodge benefit dinner. Not so much for the leader of the free world comparing human death tolls as if someone wins a prize.
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I question the utility of using death tolls as a measure of the extent of disasters. By that metric the shooting at Las Vegas was nearly as big a disaster as Harvey or Irma.

Having said that, this new number itself gives us an idea of how total the devastation is in PR. Two weeks later, and they are still counting, because there is so much damage.

And there still remains a significant portion of the island where they haven't even been able to access well enough to get a complete survey of the cost in human lives.

Good thing for them it wasn't a "real disaster", I guess.
I'm in the choir here. Trump cherry picked the death rate as if that nullifies the criticism his administration hasn't been able to distribute supplies and get power/water/phones back up in such a small island.

And his administration had nothing to do with keeping the number of deaths down anyway.

He is such a self-centered jerk. It just gets worse and worse.
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Trump doesn't seem to appreciate that Puerto Rico now has no electricity, water, or medical supplies. That's a serious matter for them.
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Old 4th October 2017, 02:10 AM   #168
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A significant portion of Katrina's death toll was people in care at hospitals and homes of the elderly, or being nursed at home, who just weren't nursed sufficiently because of evacuations or lack of water and electricity. That death toll is probably still rising in PR, and requires a fast and massive response. You get fast and massive responses only when top leadership is fully committed.

Top leadership hasn't even realised problem yet.

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In comparison:
This is what happened when electricity wasn't restored to a neighborhood in Havana within four days after the category-5 hurricane Irma:
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Government representatives were unsuccessful in their attempts to silence the protest, giving excuses to over 500 people. Protesters continued to shout slogans like “people have the power”, “lights, water and food”, “strike”.
http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=127278
However, US Americans seem to think that the failure to restore electricity after a hurricane is an obvious sign of communist repression …
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Trump doesn't seem to appreciate that Puerto Rico now has no electricity, water, or medical supplies. That's a serious matter for them.
"But they have paper towels, a lot of paper towels, the likes of which no one has ever seen!"
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In comparison:
This is what happened when electricity wasn't restored to a neighborhood in Havana within four days after the category-5 hurricane Irma:
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Government representatives were unsuccessful in their attempts to silence the protest, giving excuses to over 500 people. Protesters continued to shout slogans like “people have the power”, “lights, water and food”, “strike”.
http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=127278
However, US Americans seem to think that the failure to restore electricity after a hurricane is an obvious sign of communist repression …

Twelve of the eighty people who died in Florida due to Irma were residents of a nursing home who died as a result of the power failure.
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Old 4th October 2017, 09:28 AM   #172
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Twelve of the eighty people who died in Florida due to Irma were residents of a nursing home who died as a result of the power failure.
While across the street from a hospital that had power, IIRC.
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See also in places like Refugio (Nolan Ryan's home town) and Port Aransas, which relies a lot on the tourist trade.
A town name whose pronunciation alone let's people know if you are from the area or not.
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Katrina had a real impact on the demographics of Houston and the surrounding area. I wonder where displaced Puerto Ricans are going to end up. Mostly Florida?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Katrina had a real impact on the demographics of Houston and the surrounding area. I wonder where displaced Puerto Ricans are going to end up. Mostly Florida?
I hope they pick particular districts in certain Mid-West and Rust Belt states, actually.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
A town name whose pronunciation alone let's people know if you are from the area or not.

Staunton, VA is like that.
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Staunton, VA is like that.
Leicester, Worcester and Gloucester, MA are like that.
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Originally Posted by Arisia View Post
Leicester, Worcester and Gloucester, MA are like that.

Sure, but those pronunciations are relatively well known.

Few people who have not spent time in Staunton, VA or surrounding environs will know that the locals pronounce it "STAN-ton", and not "STAWN-ton".

I suspect the same is true for Refugio, TX.
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Puyallup.
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Puyallup.

Willamette.


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If this derail goes on I'll merely mention Milngavie, Kilncadzow and Ravenstruther.
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Willamette.


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Katrina had a real impact on the demographics of Houston and the surrounding area. I wonder where displaced Puerto Ricans are going to end up. Mostly Florida?
Florida, Acela region (NE Corridor), Chicago. (I'm rooting for FL, personally.)

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The Mayor of San Juan is wearing a new message t-shirt today, and it is again for Trump.
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We might as well forgive the debt.

I don't think they were ever going to be able to pay it off, even without Maria.

They were deep in debt, IIRC.

So we might as well figure out a way to make that debt disappear.

However, it may give the states ideas about their debt.
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Can Elon Musk fix Puerto Rico's broken power grid?

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Elon Musk is offering to solve Puerto Rico's energy crisis -- for the long haul.

Millions of Puerto Ricans are living in the dark at home after Hurricane Maria pummeled the island, knocking out its already fragile electric grid. Two weeks later, only 9% of residents have electricity, according to Puerto Rican government figures.

Musk, the CEO of electric-car maker Tesla, suggested his company's solar power unit could be a long-term solution.

"The Tesla team has done this for many smaller islands around the world, but there is no scalability limit, so it can be done for Puerto Rico," Musk tweeted Thursday morning, adding that the decision is up to Puerto Rican government officials...

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Old 5th October 2017, 11:32 PM   #187
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Can Elon Musk fix Puerto Rico's broken power grid?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/05/news...rid/index.html
Even if he cannot, he's shown that he has a much better eye for PR and business than President Trump.

One offers a long-term solution to Puerto Rico's power problems (and maybe puts his company in a position to make a load of money ), the other one throws some paper towels, talks to a few rich folk and congratulates himself on what a splendid job he is doing.
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Sigh. FEMA removes statistics that don't back Trump's assertion of a great response. Sigh. This guy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.df893417c221
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Can Elon Musk fix Puerto Rico's broken power grid?


http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/05/news...rid/index.html
And good timing for him too as he now has capacity, has done some large projects , and doubled the efficiency of the commercial powerpack battery just last year.

I had looked to see if any solar customers were able to have electricity after Maria as no one seemed to report on it. Turns out, those 10,000 customers with solar panels still had to be connected to the grid for delivery, so their fate was the same. I could not find anyone truly 'off the grid'.

I think the public utility will be made functional (no choice in that, right?), then wiped out as an entity, debt included, and the island's customers can then be parceled out over time to private companies - ideally with competing efficient technologies.
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Sigh. FEMA removes statistics that don't back Trump's assertion of a great response. Sigh. This guy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.df893417c221
I just don't understand how more than two weeks after the storm, and only 54% of the residents can have access to drinking water, and this is considered a success. 10% have electricity. I get that the rural areas are hard to access and it might take months to get them back to normal, but most of the population is concentrated in cities. More than half are in San Juan.

I've read stories that say that General Buchanan's arrival seemed to make a difference. He's a bit more mission oriented, as one might expect from a general.
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I just don't understand how more than two weeks after the storm, and only 54% of the residents can have access to drinking water, and this is considered a success. 10% have electricity. I get that the rural areas are hard to access and it might take months to get them back to normal, but most of the population is concentrated in cities. More than half are in San Juan.

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I've mentioned this in the other PR thread.

Mrs. qg's home physical therapist has a son and family living in PR, and we've been getting updates on their status when she comes by twice a week.

Yesterday she told us that he had finally managed to get a generator running, and they were happy because they gotten some laundry done.

He runs a small B&B. They live about three miles north of San Juan.

They have running water. Still have no phone or Internet. He calls in to keep her informed on their status by traveling close enough to a working cell tower to get a signal.

They really miss their Internet. He'd like to try and get some of the business from relief workers needing places to stay because so few of the hotels are up and running, but he needs to be on-line to do that.
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I just don't understand how more than two weeks after the storm, and only 54% of the residents can have access to drinking water, and this is considered a success. 10% have electricity. I get that the rural areas are hard to access and it might take months to get them back to normal, but most of the population is concentrated in cities. More than half are in San Juan.

I've read stories that say that General Buchanan's arrival seemed to make a difference. He's a bit more mission oriented, as one might expect from a general.
It's considered a success because President Trump has to get an A+ at anything he is associated with, regardless of the actual result. Obviously he grades himself which makes that grade significantly more likely.

If 0.1% of people had water after 2 weeks, he'd still be declaring that it was the best response ever.
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I just don't understand how more than two weeks after the storm, and only 54% of the residents can have access to drinking water, and this is considered a success. ...
Not hard to understand, it's because Trump is sick in the head.
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It's considered a success because President Trump has to get an A+ at anything he is associated with, regardless of the actual result. Obviously he grades himself which makes that grade significantly more likely.

If 0.1% of people had water after 2 weeks, he'd still be declaring that it was the best response ever.
This is a major problem that is only going to exacerbate future crises.

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But when bad luck strikes, the president’s problems become everyone’s problems. And in Puerto Rico we’re seeing that the president’s inability to listen to constructive criticism — and his unwillingness to incentive people to give it to him — transforms misfortune into catastrophe.

This tendency to cut himself off from uncomfortable information rather than accept frank assessments and change course has impacted Trump’s legislative agenda, peripheral aspects of his foreign policy, and now a part of the United States of America itself.

If we’re lucky, maybe the global economy will hold up, we won’t have any more bad storms, foreign terrorists will leave us alone, and somehow we’ll skate past this North Korea situation. Maybe. Because if not, we’re going to be in trouble, and the president’s going to be the last one to realize it.
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One of the many ironies about all the self congratulation that's going on is that it is based on how hard the people are working and what a great job they are doing. That is indleed true. I just read an article about the crew of the Kearsarge (sp?) and what incredibly long shifts they are putting in. I'm sure the same is true for the FEMA workers.

However, the reason they are putting in those long shifts is that they are using helicopters to ship bottled water. That's tough work, but it's a really inefficient way of getting drinking water to people. Surely the United States Army and Navy can ferry in the supplies needed to restart a water treatment plant. Maybe it's hard. Maybe there's some reason that it's more difficult than it seems, but it's a lot more efficient than using naval helicopters to deliver water bottles. Do they have to haul out the plastic trash, too? If the Kearsarge can't do the water treatment plant mission, find someone who is properly equipped to do it.

So, the irony is that we elected a businessman, because he knew better than politicians how to get things done, and instead of getting actual results, he's patting himself on the back for throwing lots of money and using lots of resources to show that he cares about the problem.

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So, the irony is that we elected a businessman, because he knew better than politicians how to get things done, and instead of getting actual results, he's patting himself on the back for throwing lots of money and using lots of resources to show that he cares about the problem.
Everything makes more sense if you accept that a reality TV star was elected and not a businessman.
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
That seems to be a pretty accurate summation.It's across the board, too. he is unwilling to listen to people who acyually have expertise in the field concerned. I would say it is shocking, but sadly nothing really is anymore. That said, it is embarrassing, dangerous, and outright telling of the intellectual capacity of our Dear Leader.
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Old 6th October 2017, 03:18 PM   #198
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Everything makes more sense if you accept that a reality TV star was elected and not a businessman.
This. Anyone who believes Trump has ever been anything other than a name is a fool. How would someone who ever negotiated a real estate deal in NYC think that renegotiating a trilateral trade deal would not only be "easy," but also done one country at a time?
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Old 6th October 2017, 03:31 PM   #199
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Here we go again....


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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Not hard to understand, it's because Trump is sick in the head.
Or has a dick in his head!!!!!
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