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Old 4th November 2017, 01:16 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
Ok in english.

How force, energy and matter were PRIMARILY created? Later, such creation or destruction is not anticipated but It should had been created at prime level. Tks.
We dont know. We dont even know if they were created.
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Old 4th November 2017, 01:21 AM   #242
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We dont know. We dont even know if they were created.
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If we do not know prime of everything it will mean, we know nothing.
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Old 4th November 2017, 01:49 AM   #243
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Old 4th November 2017, 01:59 AM   #244
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
If we do not know prime of everything it will mean, we know nothing.
We know lots of things, Kumar. Many of them with a high enough degree of certainty to take them as fact. We just don't know everything.
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Old 4th November 2017, 02:04 AM   #245
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We dont know. We dont even know if they were created.
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If we do not know, should we base it:
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Cannot Naturally Be Created or Destroyed
Evidence for Creation › Evidence from Science › Evidence from the Physical Sciences › The Universe Is Stable» Next

One of most basic laws of science is the Law of the Conservation of Energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another.

Energy is not currently being created. The universe could not have created itself using natural processes because nature did not exist before the universe came into existence. Something beyond nature must have created all the energy and matter that is observed today. Present measures of energy are immeasurably enormous, indicating a power source so great that "infinite" is the best word we have to describe it.

The logical conclusion is that our supernatural Creator with infinite power created the universe. There is no energy source capable to originate what we observe today.
http://www.icr.org/law-conservation/
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Old 4th November 2017, 02:05 AM   #246
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We know lots of things, Kumar. Many of them with a high enough degree of certainty to take them as fact. We just don't know everything.
But at least, "abc" you should know.
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If we do not know, should we base it:
No, we shouldn't base it on such manifest drivel.

This looks much more plausible:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe

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The zero-energy universe hypothesis proposes that the total amount of energy in the universe is exactly zero: its amount of positive energy in the form of matter is exactly canceled out by its negative energy in the form of gravity.[1][2]
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No, we shouldn't base it on such manifest drivel.

This looks much more plausible:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe
It does not tell how energy, force & matters are primarily created.
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It does not tell how energy, force & matters are primarily created.
That's because we don't know, Kumar.

The article does explain why the claim in your quote that an infinite power source is required is wrong.
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Old 4th November 2017, 04:54 AM   #250
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That's because we don't know, Kumar.

The article does explain why the claim in your quote that an infinite power source is required is wrong.
When we do not know even prime ones, we lose all right to comment on anything.
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But at least, "abc" you should know.

We do. You claim that we don't, but you are wrong.
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If we do not know, should we base it:

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Old 4th November 2017, 05:20 AM   #253
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If we do not know prime of everything it will mean, we know nothing.
Kumar that is nonsense, and you know it.

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Old 4th November 2017, 05:23 AM   #254
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It does not tell how energy, force & matters are primarily created.


The queen of the fey received a cosmic egg from a time traveling magician. He traded it for his freedom when he’d accidentally accepted a gift from her in her realm, obligating him to her.

She hatched the cosmic egg, creating our current universe. Ironically, the time traveling magician came from the universe that hatched from the egg.

Nobody knows for sure where the cosmic egg came from in the first place. The magician got it from a goblin who was being tight-lipped about where HE got it.
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Old 4th November 2017, 05:26 AM   #255
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When we do not know even prime ones, we lose all right to comment on anything.
Really, Kumar. OK, then. I shall ask you if you know the prime of every subject you bring up, and if you dont know the prime, I shall conclude you have no right to comnent.

.....Are you sure you want to go there?

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When we do not know even prime ones, we lose all right to comment on anything.


Then step away from the computer. By your own logic since you do not understand how computers are manufactured and where all the component elements come from, you are not permitted to use one.

Every post you make from here on out reveals you as an ever greater hypocrite.
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Really, Kumar. OK, then. I shall ask you if you know the prime of every subject you bring up, and if you dont know the prime, I shall conclude you have no right to comnent.



.....Are you sure you want to go there?



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He already has. By his own logic his lack of knowledge about the origin of the universe means he can say nothing about any topic. Stating his favorite color has just become a hypocritical act.
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Really, Kumar. OK, then. I shall ask you if you know the prime of every subject you bring up, and if you dont know the prime, I shall conclude you have no right to comnent.

.....Are you sure you want to go there?

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I try to achieve that level, so discuss. If I shall achieve that, there may not be any need of dicussions on that. Now I shall try to find its science logically, otherwise we may have accept supernatural's existance.
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We do. You claim that we don't, but you are wrong.
If so, give awnser my question about force, energy and matter's prime creation
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I try to achieve that level, so discuss. If I shall achieve that, there may not be any need of dicussions on that. Now I shall try to find its science logically, otherwise we may have accept supernatural's existance.
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If so, give awnser my question about force, energy and matter's prime creation
One thing does not equal the other.
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If so, give awnser my question about force, energy and matter's prime creation


I already did. I gave you an explanation as good as or better than any you are likely to come up with.

As you have, through your arguments, conceded the high ground and authority to me, I declare unambiguously that homeopathy is crap. It doesn’t work and anyone saying otherwise is deliberately lying, a mislead and gullible fool, or just plain ignorant.
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I try to achieve that level, so discuss. If I shall achieve that, there may not be any need of dicussions on that. Now I shall try to find its science logically, otherwise we may have accept supernatural's existance.
If YOU don't find it's science, WE must accept it is supernatural? Are you crazy?

WE know the science. If YOU son't understand it, ... it's your problem.

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Ghosts and related are exactly as real as effective homeopathy - which is to say neither is real. Both are made up stuff. It is easy to make up stuff but it is much better to science it. This has been well and fully explained to you yet you seem unable to recognize reality!!!!
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If YOU don't find it's science, WE must accept it is supernatural? Are you crazy?

WE know the science. If YOU son't understand it, ... it's your problem.

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How we shall define that which is yet beyond scientific understandings eg creation of Force, Energy & Matter, a b c of understandings.
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One thing does not equal the other.
At prime level, all things may be same.
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How we shall define that which is yet beyond scientific understandings eg creation of Force, Energy & Matter, a b c of understandings.
There seems no possible way of showing you the circularity of your own not knowing.
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At prime level, all things may be same.
Prove it!!!- Note you have never proven a single item you have claimed here. This is simply another one you cannot prove in any way.
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If so, give awnser my question about force, energy and matter's prime creation

It was sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure.
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How we shall define that which is yet beyond scientific understandings eg creation of Force, Energy & Matter, a b c of understandings.


None of those things are beyond the understanding of science. You just can’t be arsed to learn the science because it conflicts with your magical beliefs.

You are arrogantly and narcissistically confusing your own lack of understanding with science. YOUR limitations are not EVERYONE’S limitations.
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How we shall define that which is yet beyond scientific understandings eg creation of Force, Energy & Matter, a b c of understandings.
We can define the extent of ignorance about science in that post as quite enormous and irrelevant. We know what creates force, energy and matter .
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Ok in english. ...
The answer is the question is "PRIMARILY" nonsense, and irrelevant !
Energy is a property of a system. It always exists.
Forces are an interaction between objects. They always exist.
Matter is a arrangement of atoms, etc. It always exist.

However in the totally irrelevant field of cosmology, we do not know the origin of matter.
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How we shall define that which is yet beyond scientific understandings eg creation of Force, Energy & Matter, a b c of understandings.
It is very easy, if you know the science.

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It was sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure.
Since you are suggesting it, should I take it as scientific and also such other understandings?
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It is very easy, if you know the science.

Hans.
This one?
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It was sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure.
Anyway, whether transformation of energy into different forms could yet be fully understood in science?

Whether atoms are just aggregation of energy or elementary particles?
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MPOVs.
Moron posting obnoxious vagaries?
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Moron posting obnoxious vagaries?
Mendacity preferred over veracity.
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Anyway, ...
The usual ignorant and irrelevant questions.
Conservation (transformations) of energy are understood in science.
Atoms are "aggregation of elementary particles" (electrons, quarks, etc.) as most school children know !

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Mendacity preferred over veracity.
I like yours better! Salud!
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It was sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure.
I am pretty sure it was actually farted out (of the usual place involved) of the Great and Powerful Rakumba Beast as a perfect cure for what ales you!!!!!
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It was sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure.
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I am pretty sure it was actually farted out (of the usual place involved) of the Great and Powerful Rakumba Beast as a perfect cure for what ales you!!!!!

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Since you are suggesting it, should I take it as scientific and also such other understandings?

How would you choose between the two suggestions quoted here?
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