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4th November 2015, 08:15 AM | #281 |
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Glad to hear that Mark replied to you. I for one accept his answer that "I am working on this project still. Results will be made public when ready and not sooner." My limited contact with him (direct and indirect) does not give me reason to mistrust him. I guessed that his silence was motivated by not wanting to get a lot of noise from Debunker World, and not out of any intention to take the $5000 for himself. I say we wait for the results of this and any other study that may be in the pipeline, whenever they may arrive.
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5th November 2015, 04:05 AM | #282 |
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I could be wrong but it sounds like Mark is working on his own "independent lab study"
If he is ? Surely he would know that the dust came from The WTC which rather defeats the object of the study. |
5th November 2015, 04:20 AM | #283 |
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Absolutely at this point he can't win a finding of no thermite and he is just another shill,
A finding of thermite, he has to show it could have done damage, or was intentionally Created, neither of which is logical or indicated in the data. Best he can hope for is an unresolvable out come. |
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Given that the chip selection process seems to be a black art, maybe Mark is having trouble finding the "right" chips. No point in commissioning a study of the "wrong" chips; Millette already did that.
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Bump while Ziggi's around.
As he is the only one allowed to complicate with Mark, What's up? Maybe next year sometime? |
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21st November 2015, 06:58 AM | #288 |
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Maybe after the sun expands into a red giant, then collapses to a white dwarf, then
Cools to a brown dwarf, and finally is swallowed by Sygnus 1, the black hole at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. Maybe then Mark will attempt a simple inert gas test under N2 or Argon and put the Harrit and Jones BS. Out of our misery. Given the current attacks we have seen from truthers I only expect more Of the same unreasonable circular arguments designed solely to confuse the gullible uninformed. |
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I'm pretty sure he is capable of answering more than he has, and it's revealing that he chooses not to. It's pretty much a joke at this point, I'd say. Basile is well into his second year of unexplained delay; the real issues are dirt simple and easily investigated, but Basile has left poor Ziggi dangling in the wind with nothing better than to pretend to have a debating point about what Mohr said about what Farrer said about what Harrit said.
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21st November 2015, 11:25 PM | #291 |
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Why do we need answers?
"They" are the ones making claims - about thermXte. Their claim - their burden of proof. And it is only relevant to WTC 9/11 in the context of CD - let them prove CD THEN - if they need thermXte in the hypothesis - we may need to discuss thermXte. Until then it is moot. |
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I received an email from Rick Shaddock today. Rick is banned here, so I will not post on his behalf, but some key points in his mail merit paraphrasing:
Perhaps Ziggi can comment on these allegations. |
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24th November 2015, 04:35 PM | #293 |
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Awww check out http://markbasile.org/
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This is mostly BS. Rick was fired from AE911 a couple of years ago and now he has been asked to remove himself from this project, but he is not taking it well. I asked him to not contact me again and I don´t care what kind of rumors he spreads in a misguided effort to get some "revenge." I wish him well and encourage people to let him be.
As far as the study goes, nothing much has changed. Mr. Basile is still working on the study and he will give us an update when he is ready. The only possible change is that he will most likely give the next update when he is done with this round of testing and has some concrete results, instead of providing miniature updates at some specified intervals as had originally been planned. Watch for news at 911debunkers.blogspot.com/ |
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What has AE911 got to do with this? Nothing in the proposal, nothing in the fundraising announcements, nothing in Mark's status, nothing even in your and JM's communications over the last 3+ years ever hinted that AE911 has anything at all to do with this!?
Who appointed you, Ziggi, as gatekeeper, and when? This is contrary to what most people undertstood to be a promise in August 2014, and also contrary to all of his study proposals, where the most Basile would do is to select specimens. The entire heart and purpose of the proposal upon which donations were solicited and received is the promise that testing and and concrete results would be in the hands of independent laboratories! Basile most definitely is NOT independent! You have defrauded people, and have a lot to explain there! Also, you are now implicating AE911 in this scientific and monetary fraud. |
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I got one reply eventually, saying, in essence: I haven't done a thing and will not tell you if, what and when I will do anything. I still have the money and plan to keep it despite my lack of effort.
Basile is now revealed to be part of a fraud. For 4+ years I have defended him. I am most deeply disappointed by this revelation of dishonesty. |
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That's my hunch, too.
And similarly, that's where Jeff Farrer entirely left da Twoof - when he couldn't find any elemental Al, only kaolin and perhaps calcium aluminates, in the very chips he presented in Harrit et al (2009). If there is anything that scares Truthers, it's the actual truth. |
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^This!
In 30+ years of working in the fabrication industry, mostly in QC, I've had to prove over and over that the welding procedures and qualified welders I worked with met code and client requirements. This occurred on a daily basis and there wasn't any lee-way in what testing was required. The testing was definitive in proving these procedures and welders could do what was required of them. If I was required to provide a procedure that could withstand x force and x temperature, I had to provide charpy testing that proved it. How hard is it to do an inert gas burn test to prove the reaction requires no oxygen? How hard would it be to send samples to independent labs with a yellow sticky that says, "What am I?"? (Not quite that simple but you get my point) And would every lab choose the exact same methodology as Harrit et al? If not, why? Is it because the paper itself was only produced to pander to a specific target audience that wouldn't ask such questions? |
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I think we need to do a fact check at this point:
The money raised was to do an independent study where Mark Basile was going to select the chips and they would be examined by an independent lab to determine what they were. $5000 was raised Last year, this was changed to.......... Mark was doing "some tests" and after that an independent lab will be used to verify. I'm going back to the basics. No tricks here, do I have this correct (up to this point, last year). I'll continue but if someone wants to progress over the last year feel free. Please, stick to fact. |
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...About a year after the last update Ziggi, the newly appointed spokesperson (by who, no one knows) announces that the study is back on track and an update will be made in "early October".
October comes and goes and inquiries are made as to the promised update. The response is again from Ziggi saying they will give updates when the feel they want to. More to come. Please correct anything I have said if not correct. |
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He has probably spent the last 3 years sending samples out to a dozen independent labs and they've all come back as paint chips. As was said above, nothing scares truthers more than the truth, and there is no way a result of anything but therm*te would be leaked out. It was fraud from the start. Just let it die with the rest of the truth movement.
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It was time to pull the plug, back in 2009, it was always a fraud.
Oh no iron produced in nano Fe 203 at low temperature, causing sol gel nano thermite to self ignite at low temperature. http://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/947823-859JgA/ The only way that they could have confirmed Harrit and Jones was with an ignert gas ignition test! |
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It is not likely to happen because discussion will continue.
Remember the taxonomic hierarchy: (A) Subject area is 9/11 conspiracy --- (B) Subset WTC Collapses << Explained as result of impact damage and unfought fires - no viable counter hypotheses ------(C) subSubset claims for CD <<Status No viable pro CD hypothesis to discuss ----------(D) subsubSubset Claims for CD by explosive cutting << essentially disproved subject to use of Scientifically PC language ---------------(E) Alternate subsubSubset Claims -Use of thermXte introduced << a complex of reasons << No viable hypothesis. ---------------------(F) at least three more levels of deeper descent into rabbit burrows. Including descent into tit for tat responses to persinal insults. Summary: (1) Discussion has been moot WRT to WTC 9/11 conspiracy since Level (C) since there is no pro CD hypothesis; (2) No matter how far the "Truthers" or "Trolls" extend the rabbit burrows - some debunkers are willing to follow. |
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Agreed, I am though solely looking at this from the point of scientific curiosity, to understand
The chemistry of the fires and rubble pile better. I now know that simple reduction of the oxide in paint chips with carbon, or SUfur can Create exothermic chips, that will combust in air but not under inert atmosphere. What is more interesting though is they provide the natural ignition source for Aluminothermic reactions. Natural forms of thermite, and could have been generated easily in the hydrocarbon fires, in the buildings or in the rubble pile. |
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Ziggi,
I have to ask you again: Who appointed you as spokesperson and gatekeeper? It sure wasn't the people who donated most of the money and who want you to get lost. Does Richard Gage play any role? |
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