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Old 16th February 2017, 11:22 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
You seem to want a President whose word is law. Seems to be that the difference between that and a dictator is a matter of semantics.

And you total ignoring of the whole question of what Trump's exact relations with Putin and Russia is astounding.
Actually I think the word you're looking for is "typical"
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Old 16th February 2017, 11:30 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
You seem to want a President whose word is law. Seems to be that the difference between that and a dictator is a matter of semantics.

And you total ignoring of the whole question of what Trump's exact relations with Putin and Russia is astounding.
I'm curious as to how sunmaster reconciles his whole "well, he's the President, he can make those kinds of decisions and we can't gainsay him" deference to Trump with his railing against Obama for making what are (by sunmaster's own admission) the exact same kinds of of decisions.
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Old 16th February 2017, 12:06 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
He was thrown under the bus by Donald Trump because he became a liability rather than an asset. It's as simple as that. You seem to be implying that's a bad thing.
Yeah, I guess I am saying that's a bad thing.
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Old 16th February 2017, 12:09 PM   #84
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Isn't saying Flynn was "thrown under the bus" an admission Trump is more involved than he has let on?
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Old 16th February 2017, 12:13 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
Trump has been known to utter non-true statements from time to time to suit his emotional needs of the moment.

I nominate this as the understatement of the century.
I'd second it, but there seem to be so many of these lately. It's tough to single out just one.

But the use of euphemisms like "non-true" in what is an almost pathological avoidance of the appropriate word, i.e."lie", should be noted as well.

Bonus points for that.
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Old 16th February 2017, 12:17 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
Crimea always has been part of Russia, like Scotland is a part of the UK, and New Mexico is part of America.
Not only is this claim utterly delusional but those comparisons make no sense whatsoever either. A better comparison would've been if Mexico invaded Texas and later maintained that Texas had always been a part of Mexico even-though Texas had been a part of the US for a long time.
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Old 16th February 2017, 12:22 PM   #87
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My attempt to satirize President Trump:

The media should be fired since they fired that great guy General Flynn.

Indeed, the media did such a good job of firing Flynn that not even a super winning man like me, Donald J. Trump, was quite unable to prevent the media from firing Flynn.

Now I have to go and find someone to take that job who the media will not be able to fire.
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Old 16th February 2017, 12:25 PM   #88
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Trump said at the just concluded press conference that the firing of Flynn was made easier by the fact that he has had an excellent replacement for him already. Almost sounded like "I went along with their witchhunt but they'll see what that brings them". Will Tulsi surf in as a personified "stop supporting terrorists act"?
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Originally Posted by imodium View Post
Sorry to ask, but how did McCain start the chaos in the middle east, Libya and Ukraine?

<snip>

He let himself be captured.

How else?
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Old 16th February 2017, 12:32 PM   #90
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Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
CNN and the New York Times said that the information came from four current or former US intelligence officials. Although I'm not a fan of either media outlet, I doubt that they lied about their sources.

Why?

You certain seem to cheerfully harbor such doubts whenever you don't like what they are publishing.
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
The biggest issue I would have to say is that he lied about it to Pence and likely Donald too. Pence was going on CBS to specifically speak on the matter and asked Flynn if it was true, Flynn said it wasn't resulting in Pence denying it had happened, only to have evidence surface in the media proving it did. That wasn't a good look for Pence and the worse crime you can commit as a Public Servant is embarrassing your VP or Pres with an attempted cover up.
You are missing the elephant in the room, why didn't Trump address the issue when Pence told the press what Flynn assured him of?

Trump cannot claim he didn't see Pence's position, the Flynn denial included multiple Trumpettes like Conway and Spicer.
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Old 16th February 2017, 01:30 PM   #92
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Originally Posted by Newtons Bit View Post
True, the call itself can't be illegal. But he wasn't fired for that, he was fired for his actions afterwards.
That's Trump's claim which was as full of holes as my spaghetti strainer.

Trump is trying hard to deflect the fact he was and is making deals with the Russians behind the public's back, and the fact Trump was using foreign nationals to help him cheat in the election. And yes, breaking into your opponent's computers is comparable to breaking into the DNC HQ at the Watergate Hotel. Be it the Russians or the Plumbers, it's still election cheating.

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Old 16th February 2017, 01:32 PM   #93
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
That's Trump's claim which was as full of holes as my spaghetti strainer.

Trump is trying hard to deflect the fact he was and is making deals with the Russians behind the public's back.
What?
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Old 16th February 2017, 01:35 PM   #94
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
Rumor has it that Trump is still pissed that no one has shown him where the 'Cone of Silence' is and he can't twitter on his shoe phone.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I like that the Trump administration is pointing at the intelligence community as the source for the leak. I won't be surprised if the source of the leak is the Trump team, who knew about the issue before Pence went off to defend Flynn on all the Sunday shows. Or the source of the leak could be Russia, who certainly knew of the issue and knew that there were transcripts within the intelligence community.

Trump used to like leaks. And not just from prostitutes. Why the change of heart? Will he not love the next Snowden as much as the current one?
Or maybe someone is just listening in on Trump's phone(s).
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Old 16th February 2017, 01:38 PM   #96
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If Dennis Rodman didn't get caught under the Logan act, I doubt Flynn will.
What policy did Rodman discuss with Un? I don't think the Act is intended to apply to anyone who visits with a foreign leader.

Flynn won't be prosecuted because... Sessions.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Or maybe someone is just listening in on Trump's phone(s).
It's hard not to when he's on speakerphone.
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Originally Posted by Newtons Bit View Post
What?
You need it spelled out?

Never mind Obama's sanctions, never mind Putin helped get Trump elected, when Trump is elected he'll end the sanctions and deflect from the Russian hacking of the DNC computers by blaming the victims.
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Old 16th February 2017, 01:58 PM   #99
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You need it spelled out?
Sure, where's the evidence that Trump fired Flynn for something other than (eta: publicly) violating Trump's trust?
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On the subject of the links, Trump complained that it was fake news AND complained it was leaking sensitive information. It was either one or the other but cannot be both.

Similarly, Flynn's behaviour was sack-worthy or it was not. He can't blame the media for Flynn's behaviour and at the same time think his behaviour was worth the firing. If Flynn was genuinely offering to resign then Trump could have stood by him by not accepting the resignation.

It all seems to be a piece with Trump's relationship with the truth. It's not that Trump thinks he's lying, it is that he is indifferent to it. He is a bull *******.
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Sure, where's the evidence that Trump fired Flynn for something other than violating Trump's trust?


I'l repeat my answer to PhantomWolf:

"... why didn't Trump address the issue when Pence told the press what Flynn assured him of?

Trump cannot claim he didn't see Pence's position, the Flynn denial included multiple Trumpettes like Conway and Spicer."

IOW, Trump's lie is full of holes.
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Did Mr. Flynn even do anything wrong?

I mean you can bring up the Logan Act but the constitutionality of the law has been called into question.

I'd say his biggest crime is being a fearmongering Putin apologist.
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Originally Posted by IIIClovisIII View Post
Did Mr. Flynn even do anything wrong?

I mean you can bring up the Logan Act but the constitutionality of the law has been called into question.

I'd say his biggest crime is being a fearmongering Putin apologist.
Technically yes, he allegedly negotiated with a foreign government on behalf of the US without any authority to do so.

Unless SCOTUS overturns the law, just because people have raised questions does not negate it.

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Originally Posted by IIIClovisIII View Post
Did Mr. Flynn even do anything wrong?

I mean you can bring up the Logan Act but the constitutionality of the law has been called into question.

I'd say his biggest crime is being a fearmongering Putin apologist.
Until the Logan Act is declared unconstitutional, it's still the law and Flynn clearly violated it.
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Originally Posted by IIIClovisIII View Post
Did Mr. Flynn even do anything wrong?

I mean you can bring up the Logan Act but the constitutionality of the law has been called into question.

I'd say his biggest crime is being a fearmongering Putin apologist.
Lying to the VP and the American people anout it.
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Sure, where's the evidence that Trump fired Flynn for something other than (eta: publicly) violating Trump's trust?
Trump says he fired Flynn due to Flynn not being straight with Pence. However, for several weeks Trump has been aware of Flynn's actions, and aware that Pence (and other water carriers) were misrepresenting the facts. It's pretty clear that what triggered the firing was this information going public.

Essentially, Trump also lied to Pence -- a lie of omission I presume.
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Trump says he fired Flynn due to Flynn not being straight with Pence. However, for several weeks Trump has been aware of Flynn's actions, and aware that Pence (and other water carriers) were misrepresenting the facts. It's pretty clear that what triggered the firing was this information going public.

Essentially, Trump also lied to Pence -- a lie of omission I presume.
I don't think Trump knows why he fired Flynn, except based on his Apprentice experience it would probably help the ratings for next week's show.
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Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn denied to FBI agents in an interview last month that he had discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with that country’s ambassador to the United States before President Trump took office, contradicting the contents of intercepted communications collected by intelligence agencies, current and former U.S. officials said.

The Jan. 24 interview potentially puts Flynn in legal jeopardy, as lying to the FBI is a felony, but any decision to prosecute would ultimately lie with the Justice Department. Some officials said bringing a case could prove difficult in part because Flynn may attempt to parse the definition of sanctions.

A spokesman for Flynn said he had no response. The FBI declined to comment.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...401_story.html

Lying to the vice president is okay. What about lying to the feds? Is it okay to commit felonies?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...401_story.html

Lying to the vice president is okay. What about lying to the feds? Is it okay to commit felonies?

If you're a Republican?

Sure.

If not, just being investigated is enough to portray you as convicted.
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Trump says he fired Flynn due to Flynn not being straight with Pence. However, for several weeks Trump has been aware of Flynn's actions, and aware that Pence (and other water carriers) were misrepresenting the facts. It's pretty clear that what triggered the firing was this information going public.

Essentially, Trump also lied to Pence -- a lie of omission I presume.
Yea, that's my thought as well. Trump might be okay with people lying to him on occasion, but he can't tolerate the public knowing that one of his employees has lied to him and not been punished.
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It's one thing to accept a cabinet position that will see your name in every future US history book, even if the sitting president is a lying sociopath with barely two brain cells to rub together. It's hard to imagine why any decent, competent person would accept a staff job in that hellhole of a White House.
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It's hard to imagine why any decent, competent person would accept a staff job in that hellhole of a White House.
Love of country. You still have to think you'll be able to make a difference and it seems like that was the problem.
A friend of Harward's says he was reluctant to take NSA job bc the WH seems so chaotic; says Harward called the offer a "**** sandwich."
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
It's one thing to accept a cabinet position that will see your name in every future US history book, even if the sitting president is a lying sociopath with barely two brain cells to rub together. It's hard to imagine why any decent, competent person would accept a staff job in that hellhole of a White House.
Same Reason why Trump can't find a good guy for his communications director.
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Love of country. You still have to think you'll be able to make a difference and it seems like that was the problem.
A friend of Harward's says he was reluctant to take NSA job bc the WH seems so chaotic; says Harward called the offer a "**** sandwich."
Harward is an Annapolis Grad, and the creed of the MIddies is "A Midshipman does not lie,cheat or steal,or tolerate those who do".
I guess Harward thought there was too much he could not tolerate working for Trump.
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Harward is an Annapolis Grad, and the creed of the MIddies is "A Midshipman does not lie,cheat or steal,or tolerate those who do".
I guess Harward thought there was too much he could not tolerate working for Trump.
Worse. He wasn't allowed to fire the laughably unqualified KT McFarland. How is an unqualified Fox News stooge a sticking point?
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The sad part of the Harward story is that we'll just end up with someone worse.
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Old 16th February 2017, 09:36 PM   #118
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Love of country. You still have to think you'll be able to make a difference and it seems like that was the problem.
A friend of Harward's says he was reluctant to take NSA job bc the WH seems so chaotic; says Harward called the offer a "**** sandwich."
The whole thing is a **** sandwich with diarrheal mayo!!!!!!
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You'd think Trump would have asked him before announcing the engagement.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
You'd think Trump would have asked him before announcing the engagement.
I think this is the business/politics equivalent of "Grab 'em by the pussy."


I don't ask. I just do it. And they let you get away with it if you're rich or famous or President. They all want it. You just know they do; they're begging for it.
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