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Old 28th October 2020, 10:33 PM   #1
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Fox News goes totally insane over Covid-19

Fox News talking idiot, Laura Ingraham, has really upset Kiwis after claiming that we are setting up Quarantine Camps and imprisoning anyone that refuses to have a Covid-19 test and that Biden and the Left want to do the same in the US, forcing Americans to give up their freedoms.

The reality is that she is mixing up present day life in New Zealand with Managed Isolation that only for those that are travelling to New Zealand from overseas, or those very few people who have tested positive or are close contacts with those that have. The "Facilities" that Jacinda Arden speaks about are not camps, but rather Government paid for 4-Star Hotels where those in Quarantine are getting treated like any hotel guest would, except for the ability to leave the Hotel until they have completed their 14 days.

We haven't given up any freedoms, other than the freedom to be a jerk and potential spread the disease about the country, and it is this sort of measure that is the exact reason that we do only have 25 deaths.

Once again Fox's talking heads prove how much idiotic and woefully ill-informed they are, and then spread those lies and garbage on to their gullible viewers.
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Old 28th October 2020, 10:51 PM   #2
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Indeed. Today's USA is a backward nation far behind others culturally.
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Old 28th October 2020, 11:28 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
Fox News talking idiot, Laura Ingraham, has really upset Kiwis after claiming that we are setting up Quarantine Camps and imprisoning anyone that refuses to have a Covid-19 test and that Biden and the Left want to do the same in the US, forcing Americans to give up their freedoms.



The reality is that she is mixing up present day life in New Zealand with Managed Isolation that only for those that are travelling to New Zealand from overseas, or those very few people who have tested positive or are close contacts with those that have. The "Facilities" that Jacinda Arden speaks about are not camps, but rather Government paid for 4-Star Hotels where those in Quarantine are getting treated like any hotel guest would, except for the ability to leave the Hotel until they have completed their 14 days.



We haven't given up any freedoms, other than the freedom to be a jerk and potential spread the disease about the country, and it is this sort of measure that is the exact reason that we do only have 25 deaths.



Once again Fox's talking heads prove how much idiotic and woefully ill-informed they are, and then spread those lies and garbage on to their gullible viewers.
Given how many times the Labour govt has cooked it up. They probably deserve a bit of sledging tbf
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The title SHOULD be "Fox News tries yet another last desperate and transparent beat-up using Covid-19. Nobody falls for it but Trump".
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Old 29th October 2020, 02:57 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes View Post
Indeed. Today's USA is a backward nation far behind others culturally.


It’s because we’re a nation of immigrants, of other countries people. If they would just stop sending all of their tired, their poor, their huddled masses and wretched refuse to us, we’d probably be OK, right?
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It’s because we’re a nation of immigrants, of other countries people. If they would just stop sending all of their tired, their poor, their huddled masses and wretched refuse to us, we’d probably be OK, right?
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Old 29th October 2020, 06:09 AM   #9
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Any chance Jacinda Arden can run for POTUS? Or at least put her in charge of our Covid-19 task force. She has a pretty good track record and I'd feel much better knowing she was calling the shots.
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Any chance Jacinda Arden can run for POTUS? Or at least put her in charge of our Covid-19 task force. She has a pretty good track record and I'd feel much better knowing she was calling the shots.
There was a lot of luck involved, but the main reason we are where we are is that Jacinda was willing to listen to and follow the suggestions of the scientists and medical professionals.

The initial 4-week (which became a 6-week) Level 4 lock-down was supposed to give us time to prepare, but instead because people were willing to trust the Government and for the most part followed the lock-down protocols, it burned the virus out because it had no way to infect new hosts due to social distancing and isolation.

Since then there have been missteps, but they have been caught before they were too costly in most cases.

For all of that, the decision to act decisively, transparently, and quickly is why we are here, and not where the US, UK, or Sweden are.

It is possible to beat this virus, it just takes the willingness to do it from both the Government and the people. Everywhere would be virus-free in two months if they were willing to do what it takes to win.
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Old 29th October 2020, 06:28 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
There was a lot of luck involved, but the main reason we are where we are is that Jacinda was willing to listen to and follow the suggestions of the scientists and medical professionals.

The initial 4-week (which became a 6-week) Level 4 lock-down was supposed to give us time to prepare, but instead because people were willing to trust the Government and for the most part followed the lock-down protocols, it burned the virus out because it had no way to infect new hosts due to social distancing and isolation.

Since then there have been missteps, but they have been caught before they were too costly in most cases.

For all of that, the decision to act decisively, transparently, and quickly is why we are here, and not where the US, UK, or Sweden are.

It is possible to beat this virus, it just takes the willingness to do it from both the Government and the people. Everywhere would be virus-free in two months if they were willing to do what it takes to win.
It should be noted that our government (in Sweden) is, and has been, listening to the scientists.
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Old 29th October 2020, 07:03 AM   #13
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I'm gonna call it right now,the day Biden is inaugurated (touch wood), Fox News will suddenly pivot. Covid will now become huge horrible crisis, Hannity will shed literal crocodile tears on TV about all the good people dying, and the economy is in shambles, SHAMBLES I tell you.

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Originally Posted by lobosrul5 View Post
I'm gonna call it right now,the day Biden is inaugurated (touch wood), Fox News will suddenly pivot. Covid will now become huge horrible crisis, Hannity will shed literal crocodile tears on TV about all the good people dying, and the economy is in shambles, SHAMBLES I tell you.
The interesting bit will be finding out why it was all Hillary Clinton's fault.

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Fox News talking idiot, Laura Ingraham, has really upset Kiwis after claiming that we are setting up Quarantine Camps and imprisoning anyone that refuses to have a Covid-19 test and that Biden and the Left want to do the same in the US, forcing Americans to give up their freedoms.


That seems to be the CT du jour. We have local idiots pushing the same story in Canada.
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Originally Posted by lobosrul5 View Post
I'm gonna call it right now,the day Biden is inaugurated (touch wood), Fox News will suddenly pivot. Covid will now become huge horrible crisis, Hannity will shed literal crocodile tears on TV about all the good people dying, and the economy is in shambles, SHAMBLES I tell you.
I expect that you are quite correct.

In fact, I would not be surprised to learn that Fox News is already working on such material so that they will be prepared to use it just after noon on 20 JAN 2021.

I also expect that on 20 JAN 201 Fox News will boldly state something stupid like "The Trump inauguration crowds were so much bigger than the Biden inauguration crowds". Which will probably be true because unlike that POS Trump, Biden will make sure that proper social distancing is maintained at all of his public events (but of course Fox News will make sure to omit that very important fact).
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The interesting bit will be finding out why it was all Hillary Clinton's fault.

I saw some of them blame the 2008 economic collapse on Bill Clinton, so there's precedent.
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Most of her viewers have never been to New Zealand and never will. In fact, most of her viewers can barely get up off the couch.
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
Fox News talking idiot, Laura Ingraham, has really upset Kiwis after claiming that we are setting up Quarantine Camps and imprisoning anyone that refuses to have a Covid-19 test and that Biden and the Left want to do the same in the US, forcing Americans to give up their freedoms.

The reality is that she is mixing up present day life in New Zealand with Managed Isolation that only for those that are travelling to New Zealand from overseas, or those very few people who have tested positive or are close contacts with those that have. The "Facilities" that Jacinda Arden speaks about are not camps, but rather Government paid for 4-Star Hotels where those in Quarantine are getting treated like any hotel guest would, except for the ability to leave the Hotel until they have completed their 14 days.

We haven't given up any freedoms, other than the freedom to be a jerk and potential spread the disease about the country, and it is this sort of measure that is the exact reason that we do only have 25 deaths.

Once again Fox's talking heads prove how much idiotic and woefully ill-informed they are, and then spread those lies and garbage on to their gullible viewers.
That's not fair - I expect they know exactly what's really going on and make the very intentional decision to constantly lie.
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Most of her viewers have never been to New Zealand and never will. In fact, most of her viewers can barely get up off the couch.
Look the goal for the destruction of new zealand has been clear and well known for a long time. Why else would it be absent from maps?
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Accepting forced detention without a crime, regardless if having committed a crime, is giving up freedom. You just think it is acceptable
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Accepting forced detention without a crime, regardless if having committed a crime, is giving up freedom.
Well, yes; that's pretty much tautological.

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You just think it is acceptable
And you don't. I think most people familiar with your beliefs understand that you value individual freedom so much more highly than any other quality, including survival of the human species, that you feel it should never under any circumstances be curtailed in any way. Others work from different axioms that allow individual freedom to be compromised because its value is not considered overwhelming. Having said that, this discussion is effectively over.

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That's not fair - I expect they know exactly what's really going on and make the very intentional decision to constantly lie.
That was my thought too. Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, they all know they are spreading horse hockey.
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I'm gonna call it right now,the day Biden is inaugurated (touch wood), Fox News will suddenly pivot. Covid will now become huge horrible crisis, Hannity will shed literal crocodile tears on TV about all the good people dying, and the economy is in shambles, SHAMBLES I tell you.
That would be quite I feat as I don't think crocs even cry to begin with let alone finding a mechanism to implant them in Hannity's tear ducts, but Hannity's producers may be up for it.

It's weird even trying to figure out what Ingrahm's message is. I guess that this would happen under Joe, but seriously, what undecided person is watching Fox News to begin with?
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We haven't given up any freedoms, other than the freedom to be a jerk and potential spread the disease about the country

Don't underestimate the freedom to be a jerk and spread the disease!
It's a freedom worth dying for, you ******* cowards!
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It should be noted that our government (in Sweden) is, and has been, listening to the wrong scientists.

FTFY.
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I'm gonna call it right now,the day Biden is inaugurated (touch wood), Fox News will suddenly pivot. Covid will now become huge horrible crisis, Hannity will shed literal crocodile tears on TV about all the good people dying, and the economy is in shambles, SHAMBLES I tell you.

If Fox News makes that shift, it will be the end of Hannity. He may get a weekly show on OAN talking to the former president, which will be a field day for talk show comedians.
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Most of her viewers have never been to New Zealand and never will. In fact, most of her viewers can barely get up off the couch.
From very limited data, admittedly, most of her viewers can't find New Zealand on a map marked with country names. Some can't even locate the USA, or their own state. So no wonder they believe the crap she pushes.
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Fox News talking idiot, Laura Ingraham, has really upset Kiwis after claiming that we are setting up Quarantine Camps and imprisoning anyone that refuses to have a Covid-19 test and that Biden and the Left want to do the same in the US, forcing Americans to give up their freedoms.

The reality is that she is mixing up present day life in New Zealand with Managed Isolation that only for those that are travelling to New Zealand from overseas, or those very few people who have tested positive or are close contacts with those that have. The "Facilities" that Jacinda Arden speaks about are not camps, but rather Government paid for 4-Star Hotels where those in Quarantine are getting treated like any hotel guest would, except for the ability to leave the Hotel until they have completed their 14 days.

We haven't given up any freedoms, other than the freedom to be a jerk and potential spread the disease about the country, and it is this sort of measure that is the exact reason that we do only have 25 deaths.

Once again Fox's talking heads prove how much idiotic and woefully ill-informed they are, and then spread those lies and garbage on to their gullible viewers.

So a gilded cage is not a cage?
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Look the goal for the destruction of new zealand has been clear and well known for a long time. Why else would it be absent from maps?
We once had a political party that had the removal of New Zealand from all world maps as a major policy. They claimed to have "disbanded" a number of years back, but I think that they went undercover, and have now very nearly succeeded in their goal!

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Accepting forced detention without a crime, regardless if having committed a crime, is giving up freedom. You just think it is acceptable
This one has been beaten to death so meh. All I will add is that Managed Isolation is a requirement for coming to New Zealand. You need to agree to it to come here, if you don't agree to it, then you can choose not to come.

Managed Isolation is not something that has any effect on anyone already inside of the borders of the country, only those who want to cross the border into the country. As such no-one in New Zealand is giving up any freedoms there.

If you, or someone close to you, get infected then you might have to give up some freedom, but that is the case with any highly infectious disease where quarantine is required, so again, not really freedom being lost there either.

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Committing a crime by not undergoing detention is not the same thing as being detained for a crime.
Actually being in Managed Isolation is a requirement you must meet in order to travel here, it is something you agree to. What is a criminal offense is leaving Managed Isolation before your isolation period is completed. In other words, you make a contract with the Government to Isolate for 14 days in order to come here, and if you break that contract then you are criminally liable for breaking it. You can also refuse to be tested on days 3 and 12, but that will mean your required isolation is extended for another 14 days to 28 days total. This is what you agree to before coming here. It is not something being imposed on people already inside the country.
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Old 29th October 2020, 03:37 PM   #31
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Originally Posted by rockinkt View Post
So a gilded cage is not a cage?
FOX News when Trump Administration separates kids that crossed the border from their families and puts them in cramped and crowded wire netting caged with zero amenities for an indefinite period of time...



FOX News when New Zealand Administration requires families that cross the border to stay together in a fully paid for 4-Star Hotel with all amenities laid on for a period of two weeks...

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Old 29th October 2020, 06:14 PM   #32
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I need a valid reason for a trip to NZ, and the cheapest airfare available.

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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Nope, you are twisting that definition to suit your narrative

While you can impose conditions, something that is conditional is not, per se, an imposition

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/condition

8. something demanded as an essential part of an agreement; provision; stipulation:
Also, you are not actually "in" NZ until you complete the isolation part. Break the rules and you wake up on the next plane back to wherever you came from.
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I suppose it might be telling if New Zealand were to hold an election now, and let the public decide whether Jacinda's methods of suppression were accepted in New Zealand. I bet she would be voted out on her ear.


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Old 29th October 2020, 08:46 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
FOX News when Trump Administration separates kids that crossed the border from their families and puts them in cramped and crowded wire netting caged with zero amenities for an indefinite period of time...



FOX News when New Zealand Administration requires families that cross the border to stay together in a fully paid for 4-Star Hotel with all amenities laid on for a period of two weeks...

Thankfully Fox News has very little - if anything - about my country and I can happily ignore it.
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Yes, you are, apparently. I applaud it. Your pretense of an argument is an imposition on common sense.
Only under certain conditions!
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I would just like to point out that, before this incident, comparatively few people in New Zealand would have ever heard of Laura Ingraham, let alone know who or what she is.

Well, that has probably changed now, and happily, this will be one of those rare occasions where first impressions of someone exactly match who they are in reality - those in this country who now know who Ingraham is will see that she is a total moron and a ******* idiot!
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
It should be noted that our government (in Sweden) is, and has been, listening to the scientists.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...umber/12829990


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The October 28 figure eclipsed a record set only the previous day, when more than 2,400 cases were announced, Health Agency statistics show.
It was the third record number in a matter of days and came as the country's chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell warned against the strategy of attaining herd immunity.
"Striving for herd immunity is neither ethical nor otherwise justifiable," Dr Tegnell told German paper Die Zeit.
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Originally Posted by rockinkt View Post
Thankfully Fox News has very little - if anything - about my country and I can happily ignore it.
This is the only place I ever run into Fox News.
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This is the only place I ever run into Fox News.
CNN (and I'm sure, other networks) has an International division and does report on world events, even though it's usually at 3am. FoxNews can't be bothered with all that UnAmerican stuff.
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