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Old 11th July 2019, 12:32 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by Porpoise of Life View Post
Make something new Disney.
This is a bit like asking a cat to bark. Disney has been most successful when not following your advice. In fact, people here are lauding the Disney "Little Mermaid" as classic, when it is itself nothing new. Disney is not in the business of new, it is in the business of rehashing and updating.
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Old 11th July 2019, 12:54 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by Worm View Post
The character in the original book is explicitly described as...well, white I guess.

"The little mermaid leaned her white arms on the edge of the vessel"
"...holding out her white hands toward...

etc.

However, I'm not familiar with the overall text, so I wouldn't be stunned to find out that Disney had already changed any number of aspects of the story that actually make a substantive difference. Early stories like this are usually much darker and layered than simple adaptations carry across.

Even though she was explicitly described as 'white', I'm not sure it actually makes a difference in terms of the narrative arc?
That should be the end of that, but they can't help it.

Princess Tiana exists. They did not have to replace a white woman in any of these Disney princess stories. Introducing a new character with her own storyline, in her own environment makes the character more dignified.
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Old 11th July 2019, 01:13 PM   #83
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This is a bit like asking a cat to bark....
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Despite the tendency to portray mermaids has having scales, clearly they are mammals. They have hair, but more importantly, they also have prominent mammary glands. Their tail fins are generally portrayed as being oriented horizontally, like dolphins and whales, and not vertically as fish are. So mermaids are really more of a human/cetacean hybrid than a human/fish hybrid.

This means they are warm blooded, so she may indeed be hot. But probably not as hot as harpies, which are human/bird hybrids, since birds maintain even higher internal body temperatures than mammals. Harpies be smokin'.
You have greatly expanded my knowledge of both Harpies, and Merpeople. For this, I thank you.
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Old 11th July 2019, 01:15 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
That should be the end of that, but they can't help it.

Princess Tiana exists. They did not have to replace a white woman in any of these Disney princess stories. Introducing a new character with her own storyline, in her own environment makes the character more dignified.
Normally, I'd agree. In this case, I don't think there are too many different ways you could tell a mermaid falling in love with a Prince story. If you made it different, in a different environment, people would just bitch that you're ******** all over the original story. The parallels would be drawn and it would just be a "different" bitchfest. It wouldn't resolve anything, if you ask me.
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Old 11th July 2019, 01:15 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
That should be the end of that, but they can't help it.

Princess Tiana exists. They did not have to replace a white woman in any of these Disney princess stories. Introducing a new character with her own storyline, in her own environment makes the character more dignified.
Oh Jesus Christ if you're keeping count of how many fictional non-human characters share your melanin content and get mad when your score drops, seek help.
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Haven't read the entire thread, just skimmed a few posts, so....


The story is set in medieval Europe, so a black person doesn't make sense......except that it's about a talking fish-girl, (excuse me, scaled cetacean girl) so, it really doesn't have to make sense.

It occurs to me that I didn't notice....what color is Neptune in the remake?


I look forward to the day when no one cares. Sadly, though, I don't believe in reincarnation, so I doubt that I will see that day.
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Old 11th July 2019, 02:29 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
The story is set in medieval Europe, so a black person doesn't make sense.
It isn't set in medieval Europe. But even in medieval Europe, black people existed. The idea that everyone in medieval Europe was white is a myth, and unfortunately a myth that attracts white supremacists to quasi-medieval ideas (talk to a medievalist if you want an earful on this subject).
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I don't have a problem with a black actress playing Ariel, I do have a problem with Halle Berry though. She is too damn old. Ariel is a young teenage Mermaid, and Halle Berry ain't anywhere near young enough to play a teenager. And innocent has never been in Berry's range.
But I don't give a damn about the Disney live action remakes of their animated films. I caught Beauty and the Beast on cable and was less then impressed;will not bother to see Alladdin or The Lion King, and won't bother to see this either.

I just hope I am not labeled a racist because I think Barry is just plain bad casting.
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I don't have a problem with a black actress playing Ariel, I do have a problem with Halle Berry though. She is too damn old.
Yeah, it's almost unbelievable. They should have cast someone younger. Halle Bailey would have been a good choice.
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Old 11th July 2019, 04:28 PM   #91
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I don't have a problem with a black actress playing Ariel, I do have a problem with Halle Berry though. She is too damn old. Ariel is a young teenage Mermaid, and Halle Berry ain't anywhere near young enough to play a teenager.
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Yeah, it's almost unbelievable. They should have cast someone younger. Halle Bailey would have been a good choice.
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To be fair, I almost made a similar mistake. I thought it was a typo, because until this issue began, I had never heard of Halle Bailey.
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Old 11th July 2019, 04:28 PM   #92
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Oh Jesus Christ if you're keeping count of how many fictional non-human characters share your melanin content and get mad when your score drops, seek help.
I have no dog in the race.

I just don't like seeing my childhood shows getting rewritten to appease the politically correct base.
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I just don't like seeing my childhood shows getting rewritten to appease the politically correct base.
And me.

It appears Hollywood scriptwriters have run out of new ideas.

If they want some story ideas for NEW movies that have never before been shot, I have some.
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Old 11th July 2019, 04:39 PM   #94
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I have no dog in the race.

I just don't like seeing my childhood shows getting rewritten to appease the politically correct base.
Personally, I don't like the live action versions at all. My vision of Ariel is a cartoon character. There's something cool about that art form. Live/semi-human CGI isn't better.
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My 3 granddaughters, who loves the character and are part Hispanic voted. None of us care. One way or another.

At the time the film came out, my then-7yr old said, "It is a movie I waited my whole life to see." When asked why, she said, "Finally a princess who doesn't need a prince."
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I don't have a problem with a black actress playing Ariel, I do have a problem with Halle Berry though. She is too damn old. Ariel is a young teenage Mermaid, and Halle Berry ain't anywhere near young enough to play a teenager. And innocent has never been in Berry's range.
But I don't give a damn about the Disney live action remakes of their animated films. I caught Beauty and the Beast on cable and was less then impressed;will not bother to see Alladdin or The Lion King, and won't bother to see this either.

I just hope I am not labeled a racist because I think Barry is just plain bad casting.
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Personally, I don't like the live action versions at all. My vision of Ariel is a cartoon character. There's something cool about that art form. Live/semi-human CGI isn't better.
I think the ultra real CGI versions of Timon and Poomba in the upcoming "Lion King" are not going to be one fourth as funny as the animated originals. Their look is a large part of what made them so funny.
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My 3 granddaughters, who loves the character and are part Hispanic voted. None of us care. One way or another.

At the time the film came out, my then-7yr old said, "It is a movie I waited my whole life to see." When asked why, she said, "Finally a princess who doesn't need a prince."
That's adorable!

But, was your granddaughter referring to the Little Mermaid?
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I don't have a problem with a black actress playing Ariel, I do have a problem with Halle Berry though. She is too damn old.

Don't worry, they gave her a face lift, and changed her last name. Now she looks like this:





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I have no dog in the race.

I just don't like seeing my childhood shows getting rewritten to appease the politically correct base.
Your childhood version doesn't cease to exist because of this version.
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Your childhood version doesn't cease to exist because of this version.
Sometimes it does. See: Original Star Wars.
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So I have a question.

Has anyone met an actual human being in the actual real world who has an issue with this? Or just the standard peanut gallery of online comments, random Twitter accounts that openly admit they are trolling, and television talking heads reporting on a "controversy" that doesn't exist to stir their tribes up?

I know a lot of humans in the real world and most of them have a good grip on what's important and what is media-generated BS.

Nobody seems to care about trans-bathroom issues, Jussie Smollett (who is that?), antifa, nazis, and nobody has heard of pizzagate. NOBODY.

Nobody thinks that men should play women's sports or that illegals should be allowed to come here every day by the thousands.

The stuff that makes headlines if often total media invented BS - a tiny minority with a loud voice. People in the real world seem to be good at sorting through it, but that fluff is the meat and potatoes of this forum.
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Don't worry, they gave her a face lift, and changed her last name. Now she looks like this:





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I think casting a light skinned black woman is EVEN MORE RACIST than casting a white woman.



(Just in case.....no, I don't actually believe that.)

ETA: What I actually think is that she's pretty cute, and has the right look for a mermaid, at least as much as any human can. There's no way she's going to make her eyes as big as the cartoon Ariel could.

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Jesus christ, who cares. Do mermaids even have races? It shouldn't even matter. Tokenism, my scrawny white ass. She auditioned, she was good, so she got the part. Color shouldn't matter! I'm serious. I can't understand this at all. It's a mermaid.
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I have no dog in the race.

I just don't like seeing my childhood shows getting rewritten to appease the politically correct base.
Yeah. Who's gonna remember my heritage, while all these tree hugging beige and caramel people rewrite the classics? Was it so wrong that Dick and Jane were white? And that they lived lily white neighborhoods of detached houses, where they could play with Spot the dog and Muff, the kitten? What's wrong with giving little black or brown or Asian children role models they can strive to emulate? Why couldn't they learn to read like I did in my segregated school?

When my daughter went to grade school in the 80s I was shocked, shocked I say, to see that Dick and Jane had turned into Juan and Rowena. It just wasn't what I remembered. Won't someone think of the old codgers?

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Merpeople live in the ocean. It's a really big ocean. It touches all land masses. Maybe they swam from another continent?
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If Ariel's father is the Triton of Greek mythology it means her grandparents were Poseidon and Amphitrite. He was of Titan descent, and she was either a Nereid or Oceanid which means she was descended from either the earth or the ocean. If anybody thinks they know the typical skin coloration of Titans or earth and ocean spirits they can feel free to prove it. I don't recall it being mentioned who Ariel's mother was. Even if her mother was a fullblooded white human Ariel's still a demigoddess with half her ancestors born before humanity even existed. Her physical characteristics are therefore extremely murky.
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There is only one proper response to this "controversy," and I'm going to dig it out of the annals.

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Personally, I'm offended that they appear to be casting a white woman for Ursula and not a purple drag queen.
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Merpeople live in the ocean. It's a really big ocean. It touches all land masses. Maybe they swam from another continent?
Ariel's black counterpart lives in another ocean...a tropical storm Poseidon's wrath strikes their civilization and whisks some of them away to the murky depths, to the doorstep of King Triton's kingdom.

There, a perfectly good way to introduce a new mermaid character. No recycling necessary!
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I hope they also write in that she is a trans communist. That would really get the incel youtuber "skeptics" going.

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But seriously though. It's a movie for kids. And as long as the kids enjoy it (and they most likely will, wether the star is white or brown), then why should we give a crap?
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I think casting a light skinned black woman is EVEN MORE RACIST than casting a white woman.



(Just in case.....no, I don't actually believe that.)

ETA: What I actually think is that she's pretty cute, and has the right look for a mermaid, at least as much as any human can. There's no way she's going to make her eyes as big as the cartoon Ariel could.
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Have not seen the movie yet, but the anime it was based on was pretty good.

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I have no dog in the race.

I just don't like seeing my childhood shows getting rewritten to appease the politically correct base.
Why do you think the story has been rewritten to appease the politically correct base. Perhaps the actress was best for the part?
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Why do you think the story has been rewritten to appease the politically correct base. Perhaps the actress was best for the part?
Because brown people bad.
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Old 11th July 2019, 11:30 PM   #117
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There is some good news for the white supremacist crowd from Disney: They should all enjoy the Lion King:

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The first thing to understand about “The Lion King” is that it isn’t in any way about lions, or any other animal species. As in every fable, a variety of cute and cuddly figures stand in for human societal organizations. Mapping our internalized social hierarchies onto the pristine and “neutral” world of the animal kingdom renders these power dynamics natural, common-sense and desirable. But by using predator-prey relationships to allegorize human power, the film almost inevitably incorporates the white supremacist’s worldview, one in which some groups of people are inherently superior to others.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
There is some good news for the white supremacist crowd from Disney: They should all enjoy the Lion King:
I am beginning to find it quite humorous that given mans history, the concept of one groups superiority over another's suddenly has to be all about idiot white supremacists over another coloured people.

It is like the left suddenly wiped out the holocaust and all the many other atrocities with the same thing from their memories simultaneously
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I am beginning to find it quite humorous that given mans history, the concept of one groups superiority over another's suddenly has to be all about idiot white supremacists over another coloured people.

It is like the left suddenly wiped out the holocaust and all the many other atrocities with the same thing from their memories simultaneously
Are you saying the holocaust was not about white supremacy? You've heard about this whole "Aryan" thing the nazis were so exited about, right?

And if the holocaust ever gets wiped out of history, that will not be done by the left. It will be done by people like you and your fellow travellers on the right.
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