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25th November 2015, 11:28 AM | #161 |
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It's your prerogative to feel offended.
But you see, I am not actually accusing a certain group of people of mass murder - like truthers do. The whole idea is a parody of the nano-thermite nonsense. Get it, eh? "nano" - *nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink* Eh? It's ridiculous and offensive. Yes. |
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25th November 2015, 07:24 PM | #164 |
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25th November 2015, 11:01 PM | #165 |
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Are you saying column 79 needed more lateral support than that provided by the south and west girders so that it would not buckle?
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Can you specify and quantify any fire damage and explain how it would have contributed to the collapse of WTC 7? |
26th November 2015, 12:24 AM | #166 |
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No, Tony. I am saying that you are wrong to call c79 a corner column, as it was, by design, framed into directly from three sides, and the fourth indirectly.
And I am saying that the structural integrity, as designed by the designers, is premised on all designed elements, including the framing from north and east, being in place and undamaged. And as an engineer, you of course know this is true and obvious. Your question must be dishonest. No, Tony. I am claiming that there was damage besides that on the southwest corner and that it cannot be ignored, as the structural integritry of a building is premised on its members not being damaged. And as an engineer, you of course know this is true and obvious. Your question must be dishonest. No, Tony, I cannot, silly. But there were hours of of horrendous fires on multiple floors, and these are absolutely certain to cause major structural damage that must be considered. And as an engineer, you of course know this is true and obvious. Your question must be dishonest. |
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26th November 2015, 12:30 AM | #167 |
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Yay, look what I found in my email this morning:
"It's Here! - The First Transparent and Unbiased Computer Modeling of WTC 7" The webpage http://wtc7evaluation.org/ is unlocked now and has a few videos of Hulsey presentations now which I'll watch as soon as ... I have nothing better to do. The big news is: AE911Truth is funding this study with $214,000 over two years (donations are sought, preferably on a monthly schedule, until April 2017). Who'd have thought Gage would ever put money into research... |
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26th November 2015, 01:17 AM | #170 |
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26th November 2015, 06:50 AM | #175 |
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Only $500 of his own money:
We know many of you are sustaining supporters of AE911Truth, and we are profoundly grateful for your generous commitment. We hope you can dig a little bit deeper for just 18 months to help us fund our most important project to date. Because I believe so much in Dr. Hulsey’s study, I’m making my own one-time donation of $500 and I'm becoming a monthly sustaining supporter at the $25/month level. Please join me! Well. ain't that special. |
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26th November 2015, 07:21 AM | #178 |
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No CD, no explosives; you make up BS about 911 without evidence. 14 years and the fact remains, no CD. You blame 911 on people who did not do 911 and you can't name the people who did your fantasy version. It is your fantasy, why can't you name them?
Is spreading a false story, spreading a fantasy dishonest? Maybe you believe the lie of CD and don't care there is no evidence. Is that dishonest, or what? |
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26th November 2015, 07:23 AM | #179 |
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26th November 2015, 07:27 AM | #181 |
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26th November 2015, 07:58 AM | #183 |
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http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/
The new nut, or an engineer who likes to get money from idiots to do research - anyone work with people who do papers and research; they take money from anyone, and use any means to gain funding - maybe we have a smart researcher taking advantage of 911 truth's BS fantasy of CD, to gain money... "steel is a very fire resistant material" :20 seconds in Hulsey said this... Is steel fire resistant because insulation is added? Is he talking about "thin film intumescent coatings", which expand like the dust Jones burned? OR does he mean steel covered with concrete? Concrete is significantly more fire-resistant than steel, and of course used to protect steel from fire. Using the tag line of "not hit by an airplane", is a red flag for BS. Why not say this building was not hit by Godzilla. ("not hit by an airplane is Hulsey's go to tag line) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-zP...nuCLek8EwtkA7Y A bullet on his briefings. 7:28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbHW...nuCLek8EwtkA7Y 6:07, W T C Seven was not struck by a plane - tag line of a CTer? He is a full blown 911 truth nut, on quest for truth. 9:28, Seven facts about building 7, are 911 truth talking points... oops - but he promises a technical team not in AE911T to check the work... woo on parade... |
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26th November 2015, 08:09 AM | #186 |
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http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/
here it is... http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/ Oh, you mean written? Maybe it is here, the woo study in detail. It has the 7 main points from only steel frame high rise to fail in fire to... |
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26th November 2015, 08:32 AM | #187 |
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No a written proposal such as double blind studies conducted for NIH... and there is still corruption going on.... but the proposals have the veneer of objectivity and scientific rigor.
I have no problem with additional study of the WTC... If done rigorously and objectively it would be likely explain what some people refuse to accept... that those buildings could and did collapse without explosives.. and perhaps explain it in a comprehensible manner. Maybe |
26th November 2015, 09:20 AM | #188 |
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Is Dr. Hulsey a signer of the AE911T petition?
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26th November 2015, 10:31 AM | #193 |
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26th November 2015, 10:46 AM | #195 |
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Well you are implying a litmus test... and maybe so. Does this imply that any outside studies that AE911T supports would be compromised based on who supplied the funds?
Could the same charge be leveled at Chris Mohr? Let's see his protocol and inputs and see what sort of rigor this has before dismissing it out of hand. Of course if conclusions don't support Gage's POV it would awfully embarrassing. |
26th November 2015, 11:11 AM | #196 |
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Can you point me in the direction of any outside studies that AE911 have carried out ?
It would appear that Tony and Gerry will also be a part of this study and anyone else who wants to join in. I agree, let's see what comes out. Even if it is agreed that the NIST are wrong ?how can they prove it wasn't a terrorist attack and all the other accusations they have made. |
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FEA is about modeling the actual structure including the joints, and in this case the materials in the buildings... fire load, fire suppression and location.
Clearly there is no hard data about the fire load, location, duration and spread... same for the fire suppression. I am curious to see where they choose to look. I am looking for an affirmative model which matches the real world. |
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26th November 2015, 12:38 PM | #199 |
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26th November 2015, 12:41 PM | #200 |
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There is no question that what occurred in NYC on Sept. 11, 2001 was a result of a terrorist attack. That is not an issue and never has been. The problem is that the evidence points to more involvement than what those in the aircraft had. This means there were additional terrorists involved who have yet to be apprehended and are still at large.
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