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6th March 2018, 10:15 AM | #2441 |
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According to the project's page at the University's domain, the project ends on April 30th.
That's less than 8 weeks from now. AE's project page, wtc7evaluation.org states that a "draft report of the study is scheduled for release in early 2018 and will be open for public comment for a six-week period, allowing for input from the public and the engineering community. The final report will then be published in May or June 2018". Suppose they release the draft today. Then add six weeks for comments to come in. That period will end April 17th. They would then have 13 days left to work the comments into a final report. Or they'll break the deadline. OK, let's say it loud and clear: Hulsey's team will break the deadline. Remember: The draft, which still isn't out today, was as recently as September 2017 promised to be out in the public no later than November 2017, i.e. in under 3 months. We have beem waiting for almost 6 months now. Will they also exceed the budget ($316,153)? |
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7th March 2018, 12:40 AM | #2442 |
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If "you" were a grad student with Hulsey, and you found out Halsey was nuts on 9/11; would you work for him?
9/11 truth, nuts, not the kind you can eat. |
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7th March 2018, 06:44 PM | #2443 |
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I just downloaded all the Research Data and Analysis. Everything is 2-3 years old.
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10th March 2018, 01:19 PM | #2444 |
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Weird News Update: Hulsey a No-Planer?
Wow, according to this British news source, it's the "No Planes" theory that might be floating Hulsey's boat. (At least, it's how it's being perceived.)
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Ergo beedunked here. #FalseFlagCluelessAtPhysics. Skeptical Inquirer July/August 2011 issue on 9/11 Truth |
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10th March 2018, 03:43 PM | #2445 |
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Dave, the way I read it, no "no plane" talk is attributed to Hulsey. I think you are stretching a badly composed report too far.
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10th March 2018, 04:08 PM | #2446 |
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This is old. I doubt Hulsey is a "no-planer" He also is not exploring diferant fire scenarios (as far as anyone can tell). This was part of the original study. After his announcement that the NIST conclusion that fire was responsible was declared "impossible", the hope of an objective study was a ship that sailed.
I agree. The possibility that the study will be published outside of the believer community is also remote. |
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10th March 2018, 05:13 PM | #2447 |
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There were no plane no brainers in the comments
Read the comments from idiots and morons. A few no plane nuts showed up to brag about their quest to win lowest IQ. Then James Fetzer shows up.
Then we have the expert James (No Fantasy to Far Out) Fetzer's comment:
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For more on Stubblebine, and Men Who Stare at Goats see - or google for it, and find lots of woo https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=120227954
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10th March 2018, 05:52 PM | #2448 |
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11th March 2018, 05:01 AM | #2449 |
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11th March 2018, 07:26 AM | #2450 |
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20th March 2018, 10:27 AM | #2451 |
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We are now under six weeks to go to the end of Hulsey's project, according to the project page at uaf.edu.
This means there is no way he will be able to finish the report before time runs out. No new info at any of the websites related to the project. No Truther, apparently, cares. |
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22nd March 2018, 06:32 PM | #2452 |
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23rd March 2018, 07:24 AM | #2453 |
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Delivery dates and schedules mean nothing to them...
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27th March 2018, 04:48 AM | #2454 |
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27th March 2018, 01:56 PM | #2455 |
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From AE911 Truth's email machine:
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27th March 2018, 02:03 PM | #2456 |
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This raises the question: If the budget is $316,153 and the project is scheduled to run May 1, 2015 - April 30, 2018, who will fund the research after April 30th? Will Hulsey work for free on weekends and late evenings, or will AE911Truth chip in more money?
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27th March 2018, 02:17 PM | #2457 |
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The important question of how an empty building that was on fire for hours fell down 17 years ago...
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27th March 2018, 02:22 PM | #2458 |
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This leads to the question as to who's degree of confidence he's referring to. (I'm guessing the same guy that claimed natural/fire driven collapse was impossible)......... |
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27th March 2018, 02:25 PM | #2459 |
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Any bets as to when this turns into another "Mark Basile" study?
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27th March 2018, 04:30 PM | #2460 |
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What's funny is how the simplistic explanations the Truthers and Gage and his minions have always put forth has morphed into a study that exceeds the time frame allocated itself and will cost appreciably more. With all that said, I can't help but envision Gage telling Hulsey "No, no no! That's not what we want! Go back!" or even perhaps Hulsey telling Gage "I have to go back and look at all this again. Its not coming out right."
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27th March 2018, 05:38 PM | #2461 |
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My reading of that email is "We're finding unexpected difficulties because we can't get our model of WTC7 to fall the way the real thing did, if we apply explosives or thermite. We need more time to find a way to fit our round peg in that trapezoid-shaped hole".
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27th March 2018, 05:50 PM | #2462 |
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my reading is: send money
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28th March 2018, 05:53 AM | #2464 |
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This is funny, they haven't done any real work on this study in two and half years.
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28th March 2018, 07:21 AM | #2465 |
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Gage wanted Hulsey to "prove" fire could not be the proximate cause of the collapse.
He may have realized he can't prove it... but might find some flaws in the NIST details. If this is true it still fails the intended purpose of the study. NIST is a target for truthers because they appear to present THE scenario for the collapses. Mistakes and omissions, regardless of how insignificant are interpreted signs they had to "cheat" and are covering up something... something being a CD. This is totally the wrong approach. Show how CD devices were placed, how they worked and were timed/detonated and how the destruction leads to and matches the real world motion. THAT they will never do.... probably because they are incapable of it. |
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28th March 2018, 07:58 AM | #2466 |
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The Truther fascination/obsession with the NIST is,... well,... fascinating. Here we have a tiny, obscure, non-partisan organization of math, science and engineering nerds with no regulatory authority which has been around in various forms for about 2 centuries, quietly keeping standards and measures with no controversy at all. Then 9/11 comes along and suddenly these same math, science and engineering nerds are super Ninja stormtroopers in the front lines of the NWO. Then once the 9/11 investigations are over they go back to quietly being math, science and engineering nerds.
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28th March 2018, 02:33 PM | #2467 |
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NIST's main sort of practical problems with the situations revolved around numerical complexity and results not converging properly. When that happened, they stopped the machines, simplified the model by first doing a sub-simulation of the sort of node that caused the problems, then secondly substituting a full connection model with a simpler one that uses the sub-modelling output. Or they would throw in engineering judgement.
I would not be surprised at all if Hulsey ran into the same sort of problems, only his expertise solving them would be far poorer than that of NIST. So the way I am reading this is actually rather honest: "I didn't know this stuff is so difficult, I am trying my best, but it ain't enough". |
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4th April 2018, 10:34 PM | #2468 |
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So I'm going to tell you what the facts are, and the facts are the facts, but then we know the truth. That always overcomes facts. |
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13th April 2018, 09:55 AM | #2470 |
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I am starting to think that Gage is behind in his payments, and they are drawing this out so he can finish paying Hulsey before it goes to print.
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13th April 2018, 11:59 AM | #2471 |
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No. This is very likely not true.
UAF is a public university. This means that some outside controlling and certain ethical standards apply to the funding of such projects. Hulsey cannot at the same time solicit, use, and control outside funds. There are offices at the university that have to give him green lights for budgets and due dates. I contacted the institute's business office and learned that "Hulsey did request a no cost extension through December 31, 2018 to complete project deliverables", and that no outside funding in addition to the original $316K is coming in. No explicit mention if the $316K have been payed in time, but I'd assume that, if the delay was due to non-payment, the reply I got would have reflected that in some way. The project apparently was budgeted with 2 assistants, 3 years - but one of the two assistants left the project quite a while ago. Perhaps this saved them some of the money (and caused some of the delay), such that the other assistant can be payed longer? |
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13th April 2018, 01:09 PM | #2472 |
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This indicates that all the lab work (time) is done and no university time will be used on this project. Simply put (by my reading), he has not completed the study and wants the university to continue to acknowledge it without finding for eight more months. If denied, the study dies without finding.
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17th April 2018, 05:44 AM | #2473 |
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Is Hulsey still 100% sure that fire was not the cause or has he changed his mind and is still looking at fire as a possibility?
http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
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21st April 2018, 11:19 AM | #2475 |
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22nd April 2018, 08:32 AM | #2477 |
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What? were you part of the Ba'ath Party.
When is the next big smoking gun from 9/11 truth? So far all the smoking guns were delusional fantasy born in ignorance of the believers. What is the next step for a die hard 9/11 truth believer? Has ae911t(aka liars for donations) run out of kool aid? Hulsey failed before he started. If fire could not destroy building we would not have to insulate against fire and fight fire. Hulsey's claim failed, you can't prove fire can't do it. |
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23rd April 2018, 06:14 AM | #2479 |
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23rd April 2018, 06:46 AM | #2480 |
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No science is required to spread a lie like Hulsey has done. The fact is WTC 7 did collapse due to fire, thus proved wrong before they made up the fake conclusion for the 9/11 truth followers. You repeat lies without checking, believe on blind faith.
Hulsey is either an idiot, or crafty getting over 300,000 dollars for a fake research project, injecting money into the school. I know, research dollars are fought for, and if Gage is dumb enough to fund a fake study, looks like Hulsey is gullible or smart to grab the money and run. Fraud or money man, idiot, or smart - we will never know, and Hulsey's study is the next in line of fake studies which fool those who can't think for themselves. But we will know, if Hulsey persists in the believe 9/11 was an inside job, he is another failed truther. Extra irony that conspiracy theorist are super skeptical, and overwhelmingly gullible. 9/11 CTer don't believe the truth, and blindly accept nonsense based on their overwhelming ignorance without thinking. Skeptical/Gullible, the conspiracy theorists failure trait. 9/11 truth has not run out of kool-aid, there are those who continue to drink and believe the lies from the fantasy world of paranoid woo, 9/11 truth?\ Got any evidence yet for your 9/11 truth claims? No. Pulitzer? No |
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