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Old 8th January 2011, 02:20 AM   #4521
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Originally Posted by Doctor Evil View Post
The after is easy to see. The trajectory before the hit is not clear. Hence your conclusion is not really based on anything either.
you can't see the smoke trail before the deflection????
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Old 8th January 2011, 03:26 AM   #4522
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Originally Posted by Doctor Evil View Post
The after is easy to see. The trajectory before the hit is not clear. Hence your conclusion is not really based on anything either.
For the sake of argument, take that as true. How do they then call her a liar, and "By the way, the probe to that has ended, and the police judged the injury to be accidental."
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Old 8th January 2011, 04:28 AM   #4523
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For the sake of argument, take that as true. How do they then call her a liar, and "By the way, the probe to that has ended, and the police judged the injury to be accidental."
Not sure I understand the bolded part. Care to explain more?
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Old 8th January 2011, 04:32 AM   #4524
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you can't see the smoke trail before the deflection????
Not really. You can see a bit of it, but not enough to know the canister's trajectory before hitting the barricade.
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Old 8th January 2011, 06:32 AM   #4525
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Also of interest, is the cables make it clear that it's the Israeli government calling the shots in the conflict. They are the ones deciding what happens in the Palestinian states, the threat of the Palestinians throwing the Israeli state 'into the sea' is a mirage.
The Palestinians decide when the conflict ends. They may seize their aggressions against Israel at their leisure. As long as they don't, they'll just have to live with the Israelis treating them like the enemy they are.
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Old 8th January 2011, 09:09 AM   #4526
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Yes or no: Hamas should get a seaport?
Anyone?

a_u_p?

Bueller?

Is this a difficult question?
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Old 8th January 2011, 09:11 AM   #4527
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frankly I can't not see it as hard as I try. There is a clear smoke trail along its trajectory both before and after the deviation off the concrete block.
Yes, the smoke trail is quite clear. It originates from nothingness next to the cement barrier. My assumption is that since cannisters don't come from nothingness, that it's actual point of origin must be somewhere else.

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folks....whether it was deliberate or not is arguable but that canister was headed straight at them even taking into account the minor deflection..
I would say that without knowing the point of origin that if the deflection was minor or not can not be known.
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Old 8th January 2011, 09:16 AM   #4528
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Originally Posted by WildCat View Post
Anyone?

a_u_p?

Bueller?

Is this a difficult question?
Of course it's difficult. You can't say "yes" without admitting to supporting Hamas, and you can't say "no" without affirming that Israel is right to maintain the blockade.
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Old 8th January 2011, 09:21 AM   #4529
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Of course it's difficult. You can't say "yes" without admitting to supporting Hamas, and you can't say "no" without affirming that Israel is right to maintain the blockade.
Of course. It's yet another example of how people will say that Israel has a right to defend itself, but everything they do is wrong. And nothing but <crickets> when you ask what they can do to defend themselves.
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Old 8th January 2011, 10:22 AM   #4530
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Of course. It's yet another example of how people will say that Israel has a right to defend itself, but everything they do is wrong.
Curious, has anyone here ever suggested that Israel had no right to defend itself when attacked in 1973?
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Old 8th January 2011, 11:24 AM   #4531
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Curious, has anyone here ever suggested that Israel had no right to defend itself when attacked in 1973?
You had to go back nearly 40 years? Was everything since then unprovoked Zionist aggression?
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Old 8th January 2011, 12:15 PM   #4532
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"But there is no justification for demanding we allow residents of Gaza to live normal lives while shells and rockets are fired from their streets and courtyards (at southern Israel)," he added.
Whats the PC name for collective punishment nowadays then?
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Old 8th January 2011, 01:00 PM   #4533
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Originally Posted by funk de fino View Post
Whats the PC name for collective punishment nowadays then?
Are you using your kindergarten definition of "collective punishment" or a legal one such as in the Geneva Conventions?

Or are you trying to have it both ways again?
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Old 8th January 2011, 01:02 PM   #4534
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You had to go back nearly 40 years? Was everything since then unprovoked Zionist aggression?

thanks for evading the question. and the strawman.
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Old 8th January 2011, 02:04 PM   #4535
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Are you using your kindergarten definition of "collective punishment" or a legal one such as in the Geneva Conventions?

Or are you trying to have it both ways again?
Whats the PC name then mate? The principle is the same regardless of the semantics about the name, yes?
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Old 8th January 2011, 02:09 PM   #4536
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Whats the PC name then mate? The principle is the same regardless of the semantics about the name, yes?
It's a blockade to keep weapons from Hamas, the ruling government in Gaza that is at war with Israel..

Nothing PC about it.

Maybe you can answer the question a_u_p ran away from!

Should Hamas get a seaport funk?
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Old 8th January 2011, 02:36 PM   #4537
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Should Hamas get a seaport funk?
I support the opening of Hamas' seaport ONLY if the UN does the inspections.

Hell, have the UN run the whole operation, and let them pass cargo through the gate to Hamas.

Would this violate Gaza's "soveriegnity"? Sure, but they are not a sate yet, so that argument wouldn't work.

Does it treat Gazans like children? Kinda. But I don't trust Hamas...so tough luck.

...sure, maybe add some Egyptian and Jordanian officials to the operation. But Hamas cannot run a seaport.

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It's a blockade to keep weapons from Hamas, the ruling government in Gaza that is at war with Israel..
It's a blockade to choke the gaza economy.
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The blockade clearly has a dual purpose.

#1. to keep weapons out of the hands of Hamas.

#2. to convince the people of Gaza of their poor choice in leadership, and to hopefully motivate & inspire them to enact "regime change".
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Originally Posted by WildCat View Post
It's a blockade to keep weapons from Hamas, the ruling government in Gaza that is at war with Israel..

Nothing PC about it.

Maybe you can answer the question a_u_p ran away from!

Should Hamas get a seaport funk?
For this statement. What does this describe?

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"But there is no justification for demanding we allow residents of Gaza to live normal lives while shells and rockets are fired from their streets and courtyards (at southern Israel)," he added.
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Old 8th January 2011, 04:38 PM   #4541
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I support the opening of Hamas' seaport ONLY if the UN does the inspections.

Hell, have the UN run the whole operation, and let them pass cargo through the gate to Hamas.

Would this violate Gaza's "soveriegnity"? Sure, but they are not a sate yet, so that argument wouldn't work.

Does it treat Gazans like children? Kinda. But I don't trust Hamas...so tough luck.

...sure, maybe add some Egyptian and Jordanian officials to the operation. But Hamas cannot run a seaport.
Provided that the UN creates a fresh new agency with screening procedures so as not to hire Hamas members as they're doing in UNRWA, that might not be a bad idea. Unfortunately, I doubt they could pull it off without being co-opted. It seems to be the way that goes.
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Originally Posted by funk de fino View Post
For this statement. What does this describe?
A non-sequitor dodge of a simple question.
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Originally Posted by quixotecoyote View Post
A non-sequitor dodge of a simple question.
I have not been involved in that discussion and do not have to answer any of his dodges. Thanks.
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It's a blockade to keep weapons from Hamas, the ruling government in Gaza that is at war with Israel..

Nothing PC about it.

Maybe you can answer the question a_u_p ran away from!

Should Hamas get a seaport funk?
I'm not running away from anything. It's a stupid question. If think you can sum up the ME problem in a yes/no question, then good luck to you.
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None of this alters the fact that Israel is the only democracy in the area does it?
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None of this alters the fact that Israel is the only democracy in the area does it?
In a democracy, are all citizens equal?
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None of this alters the fact that Israel is the only democracy in the area does it?
In the Palestine area?
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Originally Posted by funk de fino View Post
For this statement. What does this describe?
Reality.

The rulers of Gaza, elected by Gazans, are at war with Israel, aren't they? Why should Israel owe them anything?

Israel does more for the people at war with them than any other country ever in history.
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I'm not running away from anything. It's a stupid question. If think you can sum up the ME problem in a yes/no question, then good luck to you.
I'm not asking you to sum up the ME with a yes/no question.

I'm asking you if Hamas should get a seaport, and this is a yes/no question.

It's quite telling that you and the others keep running away from it.
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Reality.

The rulers of Gaza, elected by Gazans, are at war with Israel, aren't they? Why should Israel owe them anything?
The people of Gaza did not give Hamas permission to stage a violent and illegal coup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_coup
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The people of Gaza did not give Hamas permission to stage a violent and illegal coup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_coup
The people of N. Korea had no say at all in their government, and they are actually starving instead of bemoaning a shortage of cheese doodles.

Funny, I haven't seen you, funk, or a_u_p denouncing the N. Korean sanctions. I can't imagine why that is!
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Reality.

The rulers of Gaza, elected by Gazans, are at war with Israel, aren't they? Why should Israel owe them anything?

Israel does more for the people at war with them than any other country ever in history.
Reality is that it punishes innocent people, yes? That statement along with the wikileaks stuff shows the Israelis true intentions with the blockade eh?
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The people of N. Korea had no say at all in their government, and they are actually starving instead of bemoaning a shortage of cheese doodles.

Funny, I haven't seen you, funk, or a_u_p denouncing the N. Korean sanctions. I can't imagine why that is!
Why dont you start a thread on it?
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The people of N. Korea had no say at all in their government, and they are actually starving instead of bemoaning a shortage of cheese doodles.

Funny, I haven't seen you, funk, or a_u_p denouncing the N. Korean sanctions. I can't imagine why that is!
must be anti-Semitism. that explains everything, right Wildcat?
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In a democracy, are all citizens equal?
I'm told Israeli-Arabs have the same rights as other Israelis, but the answer to your question still depends on the democracy in question.

How are the Roma people treated in France? How about Arabs? If their treatment were less than perfect, would you still consider France a democracy?
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Reality is that it punishes innocent people, yes? That statement along with the wikileaks stuff shows the Israelis true intentions with the blockade eh?
Is there anything you could think of that Hamas could do that would change the situation?
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I'm told Israeli-Arabs have the same rights as other Israelis, but the answer to your question still depends on the democracy in question.
Who told you that? Wait, you dont have to tell us.
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Is there anything you could think of that Hamas could do that would change the situation?
Irrelevant to my point or question. Tell me this. Was Saddam justified in gassing the Kurds in that town?
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Who told you that? Wait, you dont have to tell us.
If you have specific information to the contrary, please share. In the meantime, some interesting reading.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...a-illegal-memo

Is France still a democracy?

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Irrelevant to my point or question. Tell me this. Was Saddam justified in gassing the Kurds in that town?
Really? Hamas wages war against a superior force they can't possibly win against, and you think the relationship between that and the suffering of their citizens is irrelevant?

And no, I don't think Saddam was justified in gassing his own citizens, but if Saddam had been attacked from neighboring Kurdistan, I think Saddam would have been justified in running a blockade against them, even if it did cause deprivations for people who had nothing to do with the attacks.
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