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Old 4th December 2019, 02:52 PM   #1
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George Zimmerman to sue Trayvon Martin's family et al

Would have posted this in another thread, but there are so many on GZ.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...238030539.html

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George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer acquitted of homicide charges in the 2012 fatal shooting of unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, is suing Martin’s family, prosecutors and others involved in the case he claims rested on false evidence, according to a copy of the suit sent to the media Wednesday.
Classy.

ETA: Sorry, title should read "Trayvon Martin's family et al". If a kind mod could adjust that, would be so grateful.
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Old 4th December 2019, 03:00 PM   #2
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Saw it, the standard reaction is "why isn't Zimmerman dead yet?"

My assumption is that Larry Klayman, or some other such sleazy lawyer, is involved and bilking him for fees. In normal cases, I'd have some slight sympathy, but in this one it's only for the people whose son he murdered, and likely the other people he's harrassed, abused, etc' before and since, for having to waste time and possibly money on his continued nonsense.
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
Saw it, the standard reaction is "why isn't Zimmerman dead yet?"
Is this meant to mean why hasn't he been murdered yet?
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I guess there must have been a Go Fund Me for the Martin family? Zimmerman's lawyer has to have a target to file a suit.
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
Saw it, the standard reaction is "why isn't Zimmerman dead yet?"

My assumption is that Larry Klayman, or some other such sleazy lawyer, is involved and bilking him for fees. In normal cases, I'd have some slight sympathy, but in this one it's only for the people whose son he murdered, and likely the other people he's harrassed, abused, etc' before and since, for having to waste time and possibly money on his continued nonsense.
You called it, it's Klayman. From my point of view, Zimmerman couldn't have picked a better lawyer. He's lost pretty much every suit he ever filed. Including when he sued his own mother.
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The NAACP ought to chip in with a pro-bono lawyer, and help the Martins counter-sue Zimmerman for the wrongful death of their son (al la the Browns and the Goldmans v OJ Simpson)
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
The NAACP ought to chip in with a pro-bono lawyer, and help the Martins counter-sue Zimmerman for the wrongful death of their son (al la the Browns and the Goldmans v OJ Simpson)
I wonder that Martin's parents didn't file a civil suit previously. Then found out they did, but that that was against the homeowners' association where the killing took place.
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
Saw it, the standard reaction is "why isn't Zimmerman dead yet?"

My assumption is that Larry Klayman, or some other such sleazy lawyer, is involved and bilking him for fees. In normal cases, I'd have some slight sympathy, but in this one it's only for the people whose son he murdered, and likely the other people he's harrassed, abused, etc' before and since, for having to waste time and possibly money on his continued nonsense.
Yep Klayman is in it.

"Zimmerman and his lawyer, the controversial attorney Larry Klayman, allege that Rachel Jeantel, a key witness for the prosecution who testified about being on the phone with Martin just before the shooting, was an impostor. They accuse her of standing in for another teenager, Brittany Diamond Eugene, whom the suit describes as Jeantel's half sister who did not want to testify in the case."

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/04/78484...an-100-million
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The NAACP ought to chip in with a pro-bono lawyer, and help the Martins counter-sue Zimmerman for the wrongful death of their son (al la the Browns and the Goldmans v OJ Simpson)
Can they? Florida has some weird laws about not suing people for shootings that are not convicted. So stand your ground makes you immune to civil suits.
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Saw it, the standard reaction is "why isn't Zimmerman dead yet?"
This may well help speed that along. Talk about gall.
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Martin's family sued the HOA that Zimmerman was patrolling for and they settled for a cash payout of undisclosed amount for the wrongful death.

The family had a lawyer and made the choice not to sue Zimmerman. Not sure what the reasoning is. May have to do with the fact that Zimmerman likely does not have many assets or much income potential, which is why you see him working the racist gun nut circuit and cashing in on his celebrity as a right wing hero. His life seemed to have been circling the drain after the trial.

Zimmerman could offer a lawful self defense claim to any civil suit, and if successful, that could result in Martin's family having to pay his legal costs. It wouldn't be automatic and I'm not really sure how likely that outcome would be. He was acquitted for criminal liability, but the standards of proof are different for civil cases.
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And Zimmerman auctioned off the gun he used to kill Trayvon Martin for $138,000.
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Originally Posted by Doghouse Reilly View Post
Is this meant to mean why hasn't he been murdered yet?
Yes.

literally, people want to know why he hasn't been shot dead. He was the figurehead of white nationalism for years, right up until Dolt 45 ran for office.

Hey, that's what's known when your claim to fame is chasing and shooting an unarmed teegager.

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You called it, it's Klayman. From my point of view, Zimmerman couldn't have picked a better lawyer. He's lost pretty much every suit he ever filed. Including when he sued his own mother.
Makes sense, doesn't it? The lawsuit is clearly not going anywhere.* see no basis for this domestic abusing murderer to sue anything, never mind the parents of the kid he murdered.

Klayman, though, can take all kinds of money. And before anyone says it, no he does now represent Klayman's a scumbag, the end.
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Yes.

literally, people want to know why he hasn't been shot dead. He was the figurehead of white nationalism for years, right up until Dolt 45 ran for office.

Hey, that's what's known when your claim to fame is chasing and shooting an unarmed teegager.
Because, sadly, shooting an unarmed black teenager doesn't exactly make him stand out all that much.

In the abstract no matter how guilty I personally feel the person in question is I've never been 100% comfortable with any version of the "Okay the court system found him not guilty so we have find some other way to 'get' him."

I didn't like the whole OJ thing (Yeah I am one of those people who think the civil case was, in spirit not letter, a case of double jeopardy and you don't get much more guilty then literally writing a book about how you got away with it) and as much as it sickens me I kind of have to feel the same way about Zimmerman. The system didn't work, that happens. We need (desperately) to fix the system, but we can't go back and subvert the system in this one case without breaking it more.

That being said when that waste of humanity slips in the shower I won't shed any tears.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Yep Klayman is in it.

"Zimmerman and his lawyer, the controversial attorney Larry Klayman, allege that Rachel Jeantel, a key witness for the prosecution who testified about being on the phone with Martin just before the shooting, was an impostor. They accuse her of standing in for another teenager, Brittany Diamond Eugene, whom the suit describes as Jeantel's half sister who did not want to testify in the case."

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/04/78484...an-100-million
Interesting "fact". Any evidence that it is true? And if so, why did it take all these years to surface?
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Interesting "fact". Any evidence that it is true? And if so, why did it take all these years to surface?
Not really worth looking into. Klayman is a serial frivolous litigator. It's pretty safe to assume any legal action he takes is a bad faith abuse of the legal system intended to generate headlines for right wing tabloids.
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More reasons to wish this man would vanish. Forever. How dare this Narcasstic piece of waste to do this to the family.
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More reasons to wish this man would vanish. Forever. How dare this Narcasstic piece of waste to do this to the family.
Zimmerman or Klayman? Never mind, the answer is yes.
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BBC pioece on the case

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-50671843

Seems there is a forthcoming documentary titled the "Trayvon Hoax" that claims Rachel Jeantel was an impostor.

Looks like the case is designed to tie in with that and raise somer publicity.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Because, sadly, shooting an unarmed black teenager doesn't exactly make him stand out all that much.

In the abstract no matter how guilty I personally feel the person in question is I've never been 100% comfortable with any version of the "Okay the court system found him not guilty so we have find some other way to 'get' him."

I didn't like the whole OJ thing (Yeah I am one of those people who think the civil case was, in spirit not letter, a case of double jeopardy and you don't get much more guilty then literally writing a book about how you got away with it) and as much as it sickens me I kind of have to feel the same way about Zimmerman. The system didn't work, that happens. We need (desperately) to fix the system, but we can't go back and subvert the system in this one case without breaking it more.

That being said when that waste of humanity slips in the shower I won't shed any tears.
This is kind of a weird take to me. You're ok with the system failing people, (yes, I understand you said it needs to be fixed) but you're not ok with the people who have been wronged to have a way to fight back? I don't get it. Then again, there's a lot of things I don't get.
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This is kind of a weird take to me. You're ok with the system failing people, (yes, I understand you said it needs to be fixed) but you're not ok with the people who have been wronged to have a way to fight back? I don't get it. Then again, there's a lot of things I don't get.
Or simply change the standard of decision in tort cases away from preponderance of the evidence to beyond a reasonable doubt. That will accomplish serious tort reform.
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This is kind of a weird take to me. You're ok with the system failing people, (yes, I understand you said it needs to be fixed) but you're not ok with the people who have been wronged to have a way to fight back? I don't get it. Then again, there's a lot of things I don't get.
Because he is, technically speaking, innocent on a legal level and that has to mean something or the system isn't worth saving or fixing.

Anything we let be done to Zimmerman is a legal precedent to be done to someone who didn't actual commit the crime just based on the fact that the victim's family still thinks they did it.

We can't have different standards for "People who are found not guilty" and "People who are found not guilty but come on they obviously did it."
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Because he is, technically speaking, innocent on a legal level and that has to mean something or the system isn't worth saving or fixing.
No, he was found innocent on a criminal charge. Civil =! Criminal. They're two separate things with two separate standards that have two separate outcomes.

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Anything we let be done to Zimmerman is a legal precedent to be done to someone who didn't actual commit the crime just based on the fact that the victim's family still thinks they did it.
Again, no. It's setting a legal precedent that someone who hasn't been convicted of a crime can still be held fiscally responsible. If it's just the victim's family who still thinks he did it then he has nothing to worry about. The family doesn't convict, or set the penalty. Either a judge or jury will do that.

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We can't have different standards for "People who are found not guilty" and "People who are found not guilty but come on they obviously did it."
Yes, we literally can. That's why there are civil and criminal courts.
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We can't have different standards for "People who are found not guilty" and "People who are found not guilty but come on they obviously did it."
That already happened with OJ Simpson. Suing Zimmerman wouldn't set a precedent, it's already been set.

But this really boils down to the accusations about Rachel Jeantel being an imposter. If she is, and if any of the defendants knew, then it seems like Zimmerman deserves to win. If she isn't, Zimmerman has no case and deserves to lose. At this point, I have no real knowledge of the merits of the accusation. If true, it seems strange that it would take this long to uncover the conspiracy. If false, it seems strange that Zimmerman's lawyer would pursue a lawsuit on that basis. So it's strange no matter what. And since I have no personal stake in the outcome, I'll simply wait and see.
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That already happened with OJ Simpson. Suing Zimmerman wouldn't set a precedent, it's already been set.

But this really boils down to the accusations about Rachel Jeantel being an imposter. If she is, and if any of the defendants knew, then it seems like Zimmerman deserves to win. If she isn't, Zimmerman has no case and deserves to lose. At this point, I have no real knowledge of the merits of the accusation. If true, it seems strange that it would take this long to uncover the conspiracy. If false, it seems strange that Zimmerman's lawyer would pursue a lawsuit on that basis. So it's strange no matter what. And since I have no personal stake in the outcome, I'll simply wait and see.
If true, the delay will probably be explained by new information having come to light only recently. Also, Zimmerman is kind of a jackass who's made a lot of stupid life choices. It won't be much of a surprise if it turns out he could have brought this suit years ago, but he didn't have his act together.

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It's yet another lawsuit by GIL (Grossly Inappropriate Larry, since he was found to have.. “act[ed] in a grossly inappropriate manner with the children.” Klayman v. Luck, Case Nos. 97974, 97075, 2012-Ohio-3354, ¶ 25 (Ohio App. 8th Dist. Jul. 26, 2012), intended to draw attention to something else.

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on more than one occasion [Klayman] act[ed] in a grossly inappropriate manner with the children. His conduct may not have been sexual in the sense that he intended to or did derive any sexual pleasure from it or that he intended his children would. That, however, does not mean that he did not engage in those acts or that his behavior was proper.
Quite a charmer that GIL.

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It's yet another lawsuit by GIL (Grossly Inappropriate Larry, since he was found to have.. “act[ed] in a grossly inappropriate manner with the children.” Klayman v. Luck, Case Nos. 97974, 97075, 2012-Ohio-3354, ¶ 25 (Ohio App. 8th Dist. Jul. 26, 2012), intended to draw attention to something else.

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Quite a charmer that GIL.
Quite the ad hominem. Let's try to stay on topic.
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That already happened with OJ Simpson. Suing Zimmerman wouldn't set a precedent, it's already been set.

But this really boils down to the accusations about Rachel Jeantel being an imposter. If she is, and if any of the defendants knew, then it seems like Zimmerman deserves to win. If she isn't, Zimmerman has no case and deserves to lose. At this point, I have no real knowledge of the merits of the accusation. If true, it seems strange that it would take this long to uncover the conspiracy. If false, it seems strange that Zimmerman's lawyer would pursue a lawsuit on that basis. So it's strange no matter what. And since I have no personal stake in the outcome, I'll simply wait and see.

So far - I'm betting that the merits of the accusation rest on pretty flimsy ground.
The person who wrote the book that purportedly provides the evidence that Rachel Jeantel was an imposter is Joel Gilbert. As per NBC website:

Gilbert is a frequent InfoWars guest who has produced movies that have falsely claimed that former President Barack Obama's real father was a Chicago communist, that Paul McCartney is dead and Elvis Presley is alive.
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I would have thought the cops would have checked Trayvon's phone log to see who he was talking to. Is the claim going to be "he dialed HER number, but I picked up" ?
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I would have thought the cops would have checked Trayvon's phone log to see who he was talking to. Is the claim going to be "he dialed HER number, but I picked up" ?
Maybe this is addressed in the text of the lawsuit. I don't know.

What I do know is that this is going to be a **** show no matter what. I have no dog in this at all. Just some popcorn and some patience while it all plays out.
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Maybe this is addressed in the text of the lawsuit. I don't know.

What I do know is that this is going to be a **** show no matter what. I have no dog in this at all. Just some popcorn and some patience while it all plays out.
I guess it might seem like a show if you ignore there are real people invoked for whom it will be a costly and very emotional trauma...
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
I guess it might seem like a show if you ignore there are real people invoked for whom it will be a costly and very emotional trauma...
There will probably always be people who see the suffering of others they don't care about as little more than entertainment.

I believe it was one of George Carlin's bitter and misanthropic screeds disguised as "comedy routines" that most famously gave them free permission to do so proudly. But even at that time it wasn't an original idea.
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Idiot right-wing attorney represents trigger happy idiot client....
... based on the fantasist writings of a conspiracy theorist nutjob.

What could possibly go wrong?
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Idiot right-wing attorney represents trigger happy idiot client.
Gee, for just a second there I thought you were talking about a cop.
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I guess it might seem like a show if you ignore there are real people invoked for whom it will be a costly and very emotional trauma...
I take it for granted that everyone commenting on Zimmerman on this forum is doing so out of prurient interest.
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
I guess it might seem like a show if you ignore there are real people invoked for whom it will be a costly and very emotional trauma...

Something conservatives in general are experts at doing.

With any luck, Zimmerman and his idiot lawyer will not only get their frivolous suit thrown out; but get slapped with a great big contempt charge as well.
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