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Old Yesterday, 12:48 PM   #3121
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
It's time to stop defending an old, white billionaire and his use of racist dog whistle language just because he's a Democrat. You're part of the problem.


And you support Trump?
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Old Yesterday, 01:21 PM   #3122
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"Well-spoken" is generally a compliment. In historical context, however, it can be a very back-handed compliment when used to describe a black person. The implication is that the person is "well-spoken, considering that he's black." I doubt Bloomberg was aware of the subtext.


Similarly, one cannot use "articulate" or a host of other descriptors, whether or not the speaker intends to be demeaning. The message heard is not always the message sent. Locutions become necessary. For example, "I've seldom heard anyone defend a thesis as clearly and as cogently as X did." This makes it clear the the playing field includes all, regardless of race.


Silly, but unavoidable if one wants to ensure not giving offense while trying to offer a compliment.
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Old Yesterday, 01:24 PM   #3123
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Well, other than where you talked about how it wouldn't affect your mom's vote.
Yes, you were clever to introduce this distraction, and people did fall for it. Well played. I'm serious.
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Old Yesterday, 01:54 PM   #3124
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
Cory Booker disagrees.
Booker is using this for the same reason you are; it fits his agenda. It gives him something to criticize a political opponent for. Claiming that someone is articulate is always a dog whistle for racism is ridiculous. Booker IS articulate. Obama IS articulate. I voted twice for Obama and two of the things I admired most about him were his intelligence and the way he could express himself with so much class. Saying so is not racist unless one means it to be so and I seriously doubt Bloomberg meant it as such. Sometimes a banana is just a banana and, in this case, it was just a damn banana.

You lied about what Bloomberg said; he never said "for a black person". That was all you.
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Old Yesterday, 01:55 PM   #3125
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Originally Posted by DallasDad View Post
"Well-spoken" is generally a compliment. In historical context, however, it can be a very back-handed compliment when used to describe a black person. The implication is that the person is "well-spoken, considering that he's black." I doubt Bloomberg was aware of the subtext.


Similarly, one cannot use "articulate" or a host of other descriptors, whether or not the speaker intends to be demeaning. The message heard is not always the message sent. Locutions become necessary. For example, "I've seldom heard anyone defend a thesis as clearly and as cogently as X did." This makes it clear the the playing field includes all, regardless of race.


Silly, but unavoidable if one wants to ensure not giving offense while trying to offer a compliment.
Sometimes people see things that aren't there because it's what they want to see.
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Old Yesterday, 02:01 PM   #3126
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post


And you support Trump?
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Old Yesterday, 02:50 PM   #3127
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
Bloomberg is possibly planning on a third-party run.

What the hell is he even doing this late in the game? Waste of millions of dollars just because he can.

Bloomberg is irrelevant.
Bloomberg is running an extremely effective single-issue campaign. His run is incontrovertible proof we should tax the bejeesus out of the ultra rich.
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Old Yesterday, 03:32 PM   #3128
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Bloomberg is running an extremely effective single-issue campaign. His run is incontrovertible proof we should tax the bejeesus out of the ultra rich.
No...wait....then I'll lose all that trickle down money!
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Old Yesterday, 04:00 PM   #3129
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Booker is using this for the same reason you are; it fits his agenda. It gives him something to criticize a political opponent for. Claiming that someone is articulate is always a dog whistle for racism is ridiculous. Booker IS articulate. Obama IS articulate. I voted twice for Obama and two of the things I admired most about him were his intelligence and the way he could express himself with so much class. Saying so is not racist unless one means it to be so and I seriously doubt Bloomberg meant it as such. Sometimes a banana is just a banana and, in this case, it was just a damn banana.

You lied about what Bloomberg said; he never said "for a black person". That was all you.

You must not be aware of the left-wing's new rules.

It matters not what Michael Bloomberg meant when he said what he said. All that matters is a historically oppressed minority perceived the words as racism, therefore they are racist.

Now, enough with your white supremacy apologetics and just admit that Michael Bloomberg is a racist.
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Old Yesterday, 04:09 PM   #3130
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
You must not be aware of the left-wing's new rules.

It matters not what Michael Bloomberg meant when he said what he said. All that matters is a historically oppressed minority perceived the words as racism, therefore they are racist.

Now, enough with your white supremacy apologetics and just admit that Michael Bloomberg is a racist.
After reading the above, luchog's post makes even more sense:

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This is why I have so many of the conservatrolls and contrarians here on ignore; and why it annoys the crap out of me to see how many people continue to still engage with them, drowning so many potentially useful discussions in noise and making the overwhelming majority of this forum little more than a sounding board for reactionaries.

Unfortunately, too many people on the left are far too eager to let the right drive the conversation and set the tone. And public debate is inherently allowing them to drive the conversation and set the tone.
Buh-bye!
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
You must not be aware of the left-wing's new rules.
The left wing's rules? You're telling us what those are?

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Old Yesterday, 04:17 PM   #3132
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
The point that many descendants of slaves may also be the descendants of slave-owners due to rape did not occur to me at the time, because it is not the case with either Harris or Obama (at least not as far as I know).
Where do you think African-American people born in 19th century Jamaica originally came from and on what sort of ships?
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
Cory Booker disagrees.




It's time to stop defending an old, white billionaire and his use of racist dog whistle language just because he's a Democrat. You're part of the problem.
Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
You must not be aware of the left-wing's new rules.

It matters not what Michael Bloomberg meant when he said what he said. All that matters is a historically oppressed minority perceived the words as racism, therefore they are racist.

Now, enough with your white supremacy apologetics and just admit that Michael Bloomberg is a racist.
You are trying to do two contradictory things at once:

You want to denounce “the new rules” of seeing offensive speech everywhere and whine because your opponents are not conforming to the stereotype that you denounce.

The obvious conclusion is your faux outrage is faux. Especially when you are more than likely to enthusiastically line up to vote for the racist’s choice for President.
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Old Yesterday, 10:15 PM   #3134
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post


And you support Trump?
I don't mind saying that was a slam-dunk.
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Old Yesterday, 10:19 PM   #3135
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Where do you think African-American people born in 19th century Jamaica originally came from and on what sort of ships?
African-Americans in 19th century Jamaica? Are you sure? Sort of missing the American part, right?

I'll admit that I don't know a lot about the topic, though. Are all blacks in North and South America either descended from slaves or more recent immigrants?
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Wow. Warren actually called out another candidate's actions specifically. Specifically, she called on Buttigieg to stop with the private closed door fundraisers - to be transparent about what's being said and where money's coming from. To be clear, this didn't sound like an actual attack on Buttigieg so much as a specific application of her more general call for transparency that's pretty much required for the anti-corruption efforts that are central to what she's been pushing for.
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Here's the first paragraph from a WaPo article:
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After two weeks in the presidential race, Mike Bloomberg now employs one of the largest campaign staff rosters, has spent more money on ads than all the top-polling Democrats combined and is simultaneously building out ground operations in 27 states.
I find those stats quite amazing.
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Dup.

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Buh-bye!
Instead of bye-bye, how about see you later? Later on after Democratic primary voters kick all their at-risk candidates to the curb and nominate an old, rich white person.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
You are trying to do two contradictory things at once:

You want to denounce “the new rules” of seeing offensive speech everywhere and whine because your opponents are not conforming to the stereotype that you denounce. playing by the rules they created and forced upon their ideological opponents.
I corrected your obvious error.
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