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Old 9th August 2018, 05:42 AM   #1
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Willow Creek: Church leaders quit over sexual misconduct scandal

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45125602

Looks like he had busy hands, and more.

I thought and absolute moral standard and such was supposed to help prevent this kind of thing. Of course I am an evil atheist with no such absolute standard so what do I know.
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Old 9th August 2018, 06:13 AM   #2
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Did he do anything that nobody else in the bible ever did?
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Old 9th August 2018, 07:36 AM   #3
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Was reading about this over the weekend and I'd say he consciously knew what he was doing and he manipulated events and people to have such access. So it's not a case of a "weak man" in a single transitory moment succumbing to temptation. He's an abusive, manipulative, hypocritical creep.
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Old 9th August 2018, 09:37 AM   #4
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Was reading about this over the weekend and I'd say he consciously knew what he was doing and he manipulated events and people to have such access. So it's not a case of a "weak man" in a single transitory moment succumbing to temptation. He's an abusive, manipulative, hypocritical creep.
Agreed. The more mega a mega-church becomes, the more I think it departs from ideals of personal accountability and charity that I see in my religious friends in more intimate congregations and more forthright manifestations. I see mega-churches largely as money-making organization and cash cows for their charismatic leadership and stakeholders. The "I'm above the law" mindset seems more prevalent in those circumstances, whether it's God's law or government's law.

As I've said in other threads, here in Utah the Mormon church is also dealing with its #MeToo fallout. There are lawsuits and discussions happening over misconduct from lay church leaders in their contact with churchgoers, and further scrutiny over the behavior of supervisory leadership. From the small sample size I can observe directly I see a spectrum of attitudes ranging from convincing contrition to a profound sense of entitlement. The prevailing attitude along the median seems to mimic the response of the Catholics -- just sweep it under the carpet, quietly reassign the affected clergy, and don't involve government.

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This "community church" is about a mile from my front door.
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en...oiowHHoECAoQCQ

The catholics got nothin' on these folks.
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Old 9th August 2018, 04:08 PM   #6
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This "community church" is about a mile from my front door.
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en...oiowHHoECAoQCQ

The catholics got nothin' on these folks.
Holy ****. What did THAT place cost?!?!
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Old 9th August 2018, 05:23 PM   #7
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I drive by Houston's oft criticized mega Lakewood Church regularly. The home of Joel Osteen Ministries corporate office.

It is in a former basketball arena and concert hall that used to seat up to 18,000 when it was known as The Summit. I was in there a few months ago and I swear there were still traces of pot smoke in the air leftover from the Grateful Dead concert.
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Old 9th August 2018, 08:31 PM   #8
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Holy ****. What did THAT place cost?!?!
$80 million, +/-. The campus is on 155 acres of very $$$$$ South Barrington real estate.
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Agreed. The more mega a mega-church becomes, the more I think it departs from ideals of personal accountability and charity....
It's the money, it corrupts.
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Holy ****. What did THAT place cost?!?!
And in the images the seats are full.

I'm tellin' ya, it's the money. These Evangelical churches put on these huge productions drawing the cult members in. And the cult members give even more money.
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I remember this church as the place where William Lane Craig and Frank Zindler had their debate.
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Originally Posted by Pooneil View Post
I drive by Houston's oft criticized mega Lakewood Church regularly. The home of Joel Osteen Ministries corporate office.

It is in a former basketball arena and concert hall that used to seat up to 18,000 when it was known as The Summit. I was in there a few months ago and I swear there were still traces of pot smoke in the air leftover from the Grateful Dead concert.
I remember the first concert I went to there after the smoking ban. It was so weird.
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