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5th October 2012, 07:20 PM | #41 |
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I think the charges would be more harsh if they had seconds on the Bigfoot steak.
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5th October 2012, 07:23 PM | #42 |
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5th October 2012, 07:25 PM | #43 |
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To be honest, this is one time I hope everybody is lying. It just seems too risky to do it and eventually your luck is bound to run out.
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5th October 2012, 07:31 PM | #44 |
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Well if you believe in it all, Traps have been set, game cams galore have been set out, baited trails, dedicated web cam sites, habituation sites have been claimed and investigated. The list goes on and on. If you have an interest you can just google up Bigfoot and be off and running.
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5th October 2012, 07:33 PM | #45 |
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5th October 2012, 07:35 PM | #46 |
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It's odd that you would say Munchausen because I once compared habituators to those suffering from Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy, proxy being bigfoot.
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5th October 2012, 07:40 PM | #47 |
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So far the TBRC has had 6 incidents where they have shot at a Bigfoot. Given some of their other observations I think the man in a suit hoax theory is pretty much out the window, unless maybe they are suicidal and death defying hoaxers. Which wouldn't really make sense. Also, what's with Bigfoot not existing being stated as fact lol. There is a difference between an opinion and a fact. Last time I checked some high level scientists are sure they exist, but most are not sure. If it was a fact, Brian Sykes wouldn't be risking his reputation with "footers".
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5th October 2012, 07:41 PM | #48 |
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If the concern is about the TBRC, I would not worry too much about it. Their "Marketing and Communications Coordinator" said several times "we are either lying or telling the truth"( here and at the BFF), but that's not so simple IMO. I don't think that acting in a role playing game is "lying" and I will not say anything about marketing. But when I look at their site and at the evidence provided to back up their claims about sightings, shootings, DNA testing etc, what do I see? A site that looks like a stage set, a lot of storytelling, and zero evidence. IMO, they know perfectly well what bigfootery is all about. |
5th October 2012, 07:42 PM | #49 |
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I imagine in a group of bigfoot hunters, there's one guy (or gal) who is actively stringing the others along. S/he is leaving tantalizing clues, wrecking their game cameras, and sabotaging their traps. The rest of the people in the group are probably aware that they're being deceived, but the excitement of the fantasy adventure is more fun than reality, so they are active participants in the deception. It is a willing folie a deux* to provide a make-believe escape from the mundane lives they lead.
*That's the second time in as many weeks that I've had a chance to use that term. |
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5th October 2012, 07:43 PM | #50 |
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I believe this one is a hoax and not really happening, those in question that are running this seem to be more in line with making money and not so much being deranged as to shoot at an upright biped. It was mentioned before about marketing and that's what this is all about.
If i am wrong, then there are people that are shooting real bullets at a bipedal target and have somehow lost what is reality and what is not and do not belong in society. Tim |
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5th October 2012, 07:50 PM | #51 |
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5th October 2012, 08:04 PM | #52 |
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5th October 2012, 08:07 PM | #53 |
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5th October 2012, 08:24 PM | #54 |
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This thread is making me wonder if any bear maulings have been due to hunters shooting at what they thought was a bigfoot.
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5th October 2012, 09:19 PM | #55 |
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If shrinks or whoever find they actually believe Bigfoot exists, I don't see why they'd be found guilty of anything.
Shooting a kid dressed in a gorilla suit but thinking it was Bigfoot would seem to be the same as shooting a deer in a gorilla suit but thinking it was Bigfoot. Or, say, an Air Marshall shooting a child dressed in an al qaeda suicide bomb suit. |
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5th October 2012, 09:36 PM | #57 |
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Allegedly bipto's group (TBRC) has had 6 incidents where they shot at bigfoot. I would love to see what fish and game thinks about that. Maybe even the sherrif in the area also.
Hunters are supposed to positively identify targets before firing. If you wound an animal and it runs, you're supposed to find it and finish the deed and pickup your corpse. After 6 incidents of shooting and no body, or nothing to show from it I'd say something is rotten in "area x". If you're shooting at a "bipedal animal" running on two legs, (unless its a bear for a short distance) you're shooting a human. There are no bigfoots, and I hope if someone ever does get shot that both the shooter and the victims family realize this is not how sane adults behave. Neither are responsible behavior, and neither deserves a free pass. One might be dead, and the other should be charged for shooting at something that could only be a human in a suit. IMHO of course. Personally, I think its all a buncha crap. TBRC is probably trying to get a reality show spot, like the phailing at finding bigfoot. Sure looks like they're trying really hard to "get attention". Bipto is good at getting them going. My guess is, they will never "bag" anything, and it will always be stories with no evidence to back them up. Such is the lore of bigfoot. |
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5th October 2012, 09:46 PM | #58 |
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Good points. And referencing the hunting license point above, I'm not up on laws about people going into the woods and firing weapons at x,y,z. Can they do that as is, with no target? Or can they do this only after identifying a species on their license? Since I assume people can go out back and shoot a rabbit even though there's no "rabbit license" required, I figured shooting at animals that don't require a hunting license wasn't a crime.
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5th October 2012, 09:50 PM | #59 |
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I wonder if a prosecutor could argue that the only possible bipedal humanoid form walking around in the USA is going to be a human... and therefore the only possible thing that a Bigfoot hunter could be hunting is a human.
Think of this... I thought he was a Bigfoot. I thought she was a fairy. I thought he was an ogre. I thought she was a witch. A thrill killer could run right though the gamut of nonsense always saying that he thought he was killing that that that that thing. Yeah, that thing. Not guilty. Go home and don't do that again. |
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5th October 2012, 10:20 PM | #62 |
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Bears do walk bipedal at times. So do skunks (on front feet to spray), though they're smaller than a child so maybe don't fit "humanoid".
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5th October 2012, 10:38 PM | #63 |
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I think you misunderstand me. My post was assuming a non-Sasquatch hunting hunter hunting for bear who might mistaken a person in a Sasquatch or gorilla costume for a bear.
I remember using information about camera traps in an argumentive essay that was arguing against the existence of Bigfoot. The short of it is that there are somewhere around a hundred thousand camera traps, including thermal sensitive deals, in use around the world in every imaginable terrain. But still no images that can point to the existence of Bigfoot beyond any reasonable doubt. |
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5th October 2012, 10:59 PM | #64 |
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The hunter could easily use the Dick Cheney defense. Cheney was hunting birds and shot his friend in the face. They were wearing orange vests. Accidents happen.
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5th October 2012, 11:02 PM | #65 |
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On private land (in my state) you can fire a weapon as long as you're not within city limits and outside of whatever code your jurisdiction has for distances away from roads or neighbors etc. (and of course "firing in a safe direction and manor) there are very little laws to restrict gunfire on private land in those situations. However, if they are "hunting" they have to specify what for, and have appropriate hunting gear/attire/permits. Whatever they claim to be hunting for must either be in season, or not regulated. (in most states you can "hunt" coyotes all year round, some states wild pigs also at night also etc) Most game animals are more regulated, and there are certain hours and seasons available. (still have to have the right permits of course)
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LoL! No, but its more a hunter code of ethics. In some areas you may have to try and recover. Most hunters will go to great lengths to recover a wounded animal. Kind of sucks to leave something out there suffering and waste the harvest.
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Me either. However, some are pretty questionable. You either have to be lying or possibly insane to account for some of the stories told/actions taken.
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I suppose it depends on how it happens, what is said. and those pesky details/evidence. I hope something like this never happens so we have to find out. |
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Heh, I didn't think you meant that, but saw an opportunity to snark. Hunters who stick by those ethics are good by me.
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People do stupid things all the time. Sometimes those stupid things prove fatal.
Does anyone seriously think a hunter (even of bigfoot) would start firing off rounds without considering the potential target is just a dumbass? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gCe-0LOBxj...nji+hunter.jpg |
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Yes, I most certainly do, as does anybody with a brain. A person who decides they'll go out and gun down the first recorded instance of a creature that (if it existed) would be humankind's closest living relative is a retard who must be locked up for the good of society.
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6th October 2012, 05:02 AM | #73 |
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If I see somebody dressed as bigfoot on a plane? I'll kill him.
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6th October 2012, 05:54 AM | #74 |
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They have been warned that there are no Bigfoots. There are no states that recognize BF as an animal.
What if someone thought Stuka Dive Bombers were attacking his land at night and started firing at Commercial aircraft? |
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The current ones will do for starters.
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