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6th October 2012, 06:54 AM | #81 |
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What part of "a specimen is needed for proof of existence" do you not comprehend?
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6th October 2012, 07:36 AM | #83 |
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Even before you get to possible/probable criminal charges wrt your hypothetical shooting, the question that must be asked is are the hunters licensed by the state Department of Fish and Game (or similar) to be engaged in "bigfoot hunting?"
In most every jurisdiction I'm familar with there are hunting regulations specifying the type of game and regulating hunting seasons for most game animal species, and licensing is usually required. Varmints and similar animals are usually considered outside the scope of the hunting license/season regs, but I have absolutely no idea how an alledged bigfoot would fall into a category of legal definition for the purposes of hunting. Makes sense since there's no such thing anyway. OK - hunter shoots kid in gorilla suit. Possible manslaughter depending on circumstances. Big civil suit on the backend no matter what. |
6th October 2012, 07:51 AM | #84 |
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I would raise the possibility that some of these shooting episodes are "me too" actions. In the same way that reports of sightings can be a badge of honor, so are weapon discharges (accompanied by some appropriate story of course).
In other words, they may not be shooting at "Bigfoot"; they may just be firing in the air and telling each other " fish stories." This would be compatible with the idea that one or more members are hoaxing the rest. |
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6th October 2012, 08:23 AM | #85 |
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6th October 2012, 08:29 AM | #86 |
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6th October 2012, 09:03 AM | #87 |
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Last year a couple drove up to the area without the TBRC's knowledge, with no intentions of hoaxing, if they were even aware that the TBRC was there to begin with. All you need to have on is a dark colored hoody to be mistaken for a bigfoot from a distance. This is the kind of shooting accident with the most potential for happening IMO.
I looked at the Oklahoma hunting laws, it might be the fact that it is private land. I had to move over to gun laws in general to find a loop hole. There is no permit required to open carry on private land. However, if a disturbance is caused it could be construed as disturbing the peace by law enforcement. Brandishing a firearm without good, legal cause is illegal unless it is self defense or defense of another. Carrying a firearm on private property does require the permission of the property owner so since it is a hunting lease, I imagine that is implied? |
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6th October 2012, 09:08 AM | #88 |
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There is no danger that Bipto, Kathy Strain/Hairy Man, or TBRC members are going to accidentally shoot someone in a suit. Bipto has stated that it is impossible they are being hoaxed and Area X is either crawling with wood apes or Bipto, Kathy Strain/Hairy Man, and the TBRC are total liars. I am quite willing to take Bipto at his word....they are ALL total liars. I find this just as plausible as their being hoaxed by a third party.
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6th October 2012, 09:09 AM | #89 |
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I've been reading this thread with more than a passing interest, because I have a screenplay for a short film I want to shoot (no pun intended) called No Season for Bigfoot. One of the critical scenes is where a bunch of bigfooters in a blind videotape a bigfoot coming down to a lake shore early in the morning to get a drink, after which the bigfoot gets shot and killed by a couple local hunters. The video is to be shot at sunrise (or sunset, depending what's logistically practical) from a LONG distance through a telephoto lens, and the last thing I want is some idiot stumbling through the woods by the lake with a weapon and shooting our guy in the fur suit.
I figure on stringing yellow tape through the trees to mark the periphery, station production assistants within visual range of each other along the periphery, and put an orange hunting vest on the guy in the fur suit between takes. Oh, and the location is on private property. I found the perfect location on the LBJ National Grasslands, but with the RIDICULOUS permitting and fee requirements for shooting on federal lands, plus the large numbers of people camping in the area, it's just not worth the bother for a low/no budget short. Beanbag |
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6th October 2012, 09:14 AM | #90 |
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I would imagine that if you're afield armed, unlicensed or out of season, DOC/DNR officers are going to give you the stink eye, wondering just what you're up to. Poaching? Protecting your crops or your still?
Hunting bigfoot might just get you laughs of the nervous variety. If you're on private property, your own back 80 for instance, this probably doesn't come up, unless some nosey neighbor calls the heat. Shooting some kid in a suit is gonna get you sued for certain, and you're probably off to the hoosegow as well. |
6th October 2012, 09:18 AM | #91 |
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I figure on stringing yellow tape through the trees to mark the periphery,
And maybe the TBRC did that after the couple drove too close to the cabins. I know the Honobia Conference got canceled because of rain. The location made it impassable because of steep muddy roads as a result. Maybe it is hard to access the area but without gating the property off and posting signs to discourage aimless wanderers, I don't see how you could prevent people determined to get there to keep away. |
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6th October 2012, 10:50 AM | #92 |
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Since they have posted what they intend I'm not sure you could get away with shooting a trespasser in self defense if they were unarmed. The TBRC hasn't really given any details other than to say it has happened, but based on what they have posted, it seems too risky.
Now why in the world would you get online and tell any of it if you were seriously hunting a wood ape using loop holes in gun and hunting laws to be able to do that? After reading up on the laws there are regulations for using dogs to track, and the size of shot you can use. It is also illegal to harass animals under the cruelty laws....I don't know, I hope they had a lawyer's advice on how to file for all of these permits and licenses. |
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6th October 2012, 12:27 PM | #93 |
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Or simply doesn't know what kind of nut-jobs these folks are. Not everyone spends their time monitoring the latest reports from crazy people chasing imaginary beasts. The popular image of Bigfoot hunters is a bit on the granola-eating, dope-smoking side, and you don't normally think of folks like that wandering around with guns. I can easily imagine something like the following:
"Hey, Billy-Bob, I heard down at the bar that there's some guys staying out past old man Calhoon's place hunting Bigfoot!" "Really? That's crazy, Jimmy-Joe! You and I been hunting these woods all our lives, and never seen nothin' like that." "Well of course not! Everyone knows Bigfoot lives out Ore-ee-gon way. It's crazy to be lookin' for it here. But you know what I was thinking? You know that big ol' fur jacket yer dad got when he was stationed up in Alaska?" "Yeah?" "I was thinkin' one of us puts that on, with the hood pulled up, and goes out to give 'em a thrill." "Yeah, that sounds like a real hoot!" |
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6th October 2012, 01:01 PM | #94 |
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6th October 2012, 03:06 PM | #97 |
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You mean you've never seen biologists trek into the Amazon basin and let fly with Gatling guns and a few grenades, then just pick up the corpses and return home?
"Jesus, an albino panther, blow it to ******!" "Got it! Oh God what a mess! And there's a very rare giant armadillo - " "My turn! Oh **** me, its head came off! LOL!" "Mental! This is what science is all about, right?" "Right!" *High-fives all round* |
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Did you miss the part where I pointed out that the popular image of a bigfoot "hunter" involves granola and dope? Such people (the granola-eaters, not the actual BF hunters) are not known for carrying firearms.
Unless you're actively following BF forums or a site like this one, you probably have no idea how dangerous those lunatics can actually be. |
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6th October 2012, 05:21 PM | #101 |
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There was one incident where a couple did feel like they were being shot at, and left hurriedly in their truck so much so they wrecked it. The TBRC footed the bill for repairs.
Their official story is they shot at bigfoot, 6 times rapidly in succession. Apparently there was a police report filed. I'd love to see it. |
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I think there were either nine or ten shots fired in that episode. Then, I believe, there have been five more shooting episodes.
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6th October 2012, 05:48 PM | #104 |
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I think max capacity on those shotguns is 8 rounds. It may depend on the model. Either way, that incident does no favors to their cause.
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6th October 2012, 07:40 PM | #107 |
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I think a case could be made that the BF hunters, had reason to believe the things that they were planning on shooting were humans. A deer hunter would have reason to believe a person in a fur coat was a deer. Someone hunting Bigfoot (a beast that a reasonable person would think is not real) has reason to believe the Bigfoots are actually people. This would approach premeditation, similar to someone who decides to shoot the next person that walks in the door.
I am going to shoot the next 'Bigfoot' that comes over that hill. |
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6th October 2012, 08:42 PM | #109 |
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Here's a list of things that can kill you:
-drinking and driving -texting and driving -talking on a cell phone and driving -speeding while driving -jaywalking -wearing a fur suit in the forest If you love your children you will teach them to not do any of the above. Or have the authorities clean up the mess afterwards. |
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6th October 2012, 08:58 PM | #111 |
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Unfortunately we need laws (commandments for those of you who are biblically inclined) to cut down on stupid.
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Regarding the topic of this thread, it has to go beyond 'hunting accident'. I can see someone getting 'buck fever' and shooting someone and the whole thing being ruled a hunting accident. However if it goes down that you think you're shooting at bigfoot and you kill someone either in a gorilla suit or in a dark colored hoodie, once the cops show up and you tell your side of the story isn't "I thought I was shooting bigfoot" on par with "the neighbors dog told me to kill them"? Wouldn't the shooters sanity be called into question for shooting at imaginary animals? Is taking shooting someone because you thought you were shooting at a bigfoot any different the shooting someone because you thought you were shooting at a leprechaun?
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7th October 2012, 06:59 AM | #119 |
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I miss-read that, yes.
Just to be clear, growing up in Texas (and I don't think it's much different on Oklahoma), I don't know too many hicks who would think dressing up as an ambiguous monster/animal and surprising someone else in the woods would be a prudent plan of action. The ubiquity of guns, even among dope smoking granola munchers (and especially among beer drinking venison munchers), would make that sort of plan very high-risk, and there's always the possibility of surprising the wrong person. |
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Here's a case of a woman who shot and killed her husband in a 'hunting accident'. She said she thought he was a bear.
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