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17th October 2012, 07:04 AM | #201 |
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In the interviews, they say they are now 100% convinced they are seeing wood apes. Perhaps this is a legal strategy. If they parade 50 members of their group to the witness stand all saying that, that is pretty impressive for a jury I would think. Not to mention all the television videos they would show. If the shooter was a combat vet they might try to plead post traumatic stress disorder. Of course, the perp would be portrayed by the OK prosecutor as an ahole Texan. I think some sort of manslaughter would be the likely verdict, depending on who the victim was, etc, and what sort of lawyer the shooter could afford. But would the group finance an expensive lawyer for a slightly whack over-eager shooter? I think not. Then it might come down to whether some criminal lawyer would do the case for free just for the publicity.
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17th October 2012, 07:09 AM | #202 |
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You just pumped 10 rounds of buckshot into something you were specifically told was most likely a person in a suit.
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17th October 2012, 05:08 PM | #203 |
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17th October 2012, 05:20 PM | #204 |
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I wonder if they really sat down and put thought into how they will feel for the rest of their lives if they kill someone. With this subject of BF it will be a long life of constant badgering and harassment for not only the persons responsible, but i would have to think their family's also.
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17th October 2012, 07:58 PM | #205 |
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Are any of you lawyers practicing in Oklahoma? It seems you are giving a lot of "legal" speculation without the benefit of having a legal background.
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17th October 2012, 08:02 PM | #206 |
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No, but I watch a lot of True Crime shows on cable.
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17th October 2012, 08:17 PM | #207 |
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Really don't need to be a lawyer do ya ! cause it is very simple. Shoot at a Bigfoot and kill a person, Bigfoot's do not exist they are a fairy tale or myth, people love this kind of thing, some like to pretend they are a BF and will do so, it has been demonstrated time and time again over many years. I just can't for the life of me understand why this BS continues, no only looking for this thing but now some go hunting and justify shooting at it blindly, i feel sorry for anyone in a Ghillie Suit i really do.
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17th October 2012, 10:40 PM | #208 |
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Are you a lawyer? Do you know the laws in Oklahoma?
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17th October 2012, 11:22 PM | #209 |
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One doesn't have to be a lawyer to know that if you blast away 8 shots with a shotgun at such a close distance with nothing to show for it you are either not competent to have such a deadly weapon in your possession - or you are shooting at imaginary creatures.
Either way - a person like that and the people who support him are a tragedy waiting to happen. |
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18th October 2012, 04:17 AM | #210 |
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You can't shoot at something you can't see clearly. I think the rangers and police tend to frown on such behavior in every state.
At any rate, I did read this from the OK regs.
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If you are waterfowl hunting, then you'd have birdshot, and be limited to 3 rounds in the magazine. In general, it seems like the OK wildlife folks would not like you being in the woods with a high capacity shotgun loaded with buckshot. In order to be legal with a high cap shotgun and buckshot, it looks like you'd have to convince authorities that you were hog hunting. But that's just from a quick look at the online info, and could be wrong. http://www.wildlifedepartment.com/huntregs.htm Probably, a bigfoot is not considered "wildlife", since it doesn't exist, and it would fall between the regulation cracks. |
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18th October 2012, 04:56 PM | #211 |
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As you say, just based on reading the web site, I think the fact that it is on private land changes how the regs are applied. There are some regs in the general gun laws section that deal with OC on private land.
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26th October 2012, 06:06 AM | #212 |
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Anatomy of a Bigfoot Habituation Situation.
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26th October 2012, 08:56 AM | #213 |
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The probability of a killing or killings of humans by "Bigfoot" hunters moved substantially closer to 1 with the announcement by Spike TV of a 10 million dollar reward. This strikes me as irresponsible, and possibly criminally so. Of course ianal; I could be mistaken. For example, I never thought that Prince Fielder would try to score from first on a no-out double.
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26th October 2012, 08:58 AM | #214 |
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There will also be a lot of bears shot and left in the woods.
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26th October 2012, 09:02 AM | #215 |
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Reality shows often offer alcohol to participants to 'loosen them up'. I am scared for people.
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26th October 2012, 09:53 AM | #216 |
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26th October 2012, 11:20 AM | #217 |
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So what's to stop a pathologically depressed person from putting on a bigfoot costume and strolling through woods where armed bigfoot hunters are known to congregate? I wouldn't be surprised if at some point we start seeing cases of "suicide by cryptozoologist."
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Well, since the goobers in Oklahoma claim they can't hit a bigfoot from 30 my guess is that would be a poor way to commit suicide. Most Bigfoot hunters would run away, hide in the cabin, and wet themselves.
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26th October 2012, 02:26 PM | #219 |
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I'm imagining more a scenario where multiple groups in the same area all get into a long-range Reservoir Dogs-type thing when one group opens fire and the next group interprets it as tree knocking and opens fire in their direction, causing a runaway feedback cascade.
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26th October 2012, 04:14 PM | #220 |
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26th October 2012, 04:17 PM | #221 |
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To me, it sounds like just an evidence challenge. It doesn't explicitly claim they should go out and shoot. Do you think that there should be no Bigfoot evidence challenges? Should we be more careful when demanding evidence from Bigfoot believers, lest they shoot and end up hitting a human?
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^lol
Name another evidence challenge in which the contestants see the only possible way to win is by killing an upright bipedal North American primate. What will result? And some are already trying to do it. Should we place a bounty on Santa Claus? Or "be cautious?" do you not think that amount of money will cause some people to be "imprudent?" |
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26th October 2012, 05:06 PM | #223 |
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Only a body or parts of is going to prove BF is real. So the challenge is for a body or parts, that means having to kill one or find a dead one. Since they are just a myth that leaves shooting at known animals or people in camouflage or posing as BF.
I see this as something that could be very dangerous, my guess is these people proposing the challenge, just don't realize how serious some people take this BF thing. |
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26th October 2012, 07:08 PM | #224 |
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The answer to the OP is found by examining the reasons such an event has never occurred. We don't even have incidents where bear or deer or moose or whatever are shot by people thinking they are bigfoot. Or dead husbands mistaken for bigfoot.
In the examples of the TBRC, it is most telling that the more they talk the more reckless they sound, and criminally so: in Oklahoma, like elsewhere the hunting regs for various species with some exceptions like frogging are from 1/2 hr before sunrise to 1/2 hr after sunset - in other words, for when you can see. Spotlighting in Oklahoma is forbidden, again with special exceptions like frogging. The incident where the shotgun was fired off numerous times in the daytime led to a settlement of over $2,000.00 to the people who fled from them. Here again they couldn't see what they were shooting at. Or more correctly, they weren't and don't shoot at something looking like a bigfoot in the first place because they know they don't exist so the risk of prosecution is far too high. Paying this money demonstrates they knew what they were doing was reckless and negligent - just shooting off rounds at nothing. If they had shot one of those people they'd be in jail right now, and the immediate payment just for scaring them proves they know this. There is an incident where Matt Moneymaker is sending an email describing the "assault" on this area X cabin where they are shooting off rounds as Matt is speaking to them on the phone. Who calls a television show personality when they are under attack and fear for their lives? That call is proof they didn't. If they had hit a person then, at night, while on the phone to Matt Moneymaker instead of 911 - straight to jail. They know "hunting bigfoot" cannot be used in court as a legitimate defense because there is no season for that. So they have no intention of killing anything in the first place. You cannot even kill a deer out of season by saying you were hunting bigfoot. We can infer that even the craziest are not shooting at an actual "thing" they are seeing. They're purposefully NOT shooting at a living thing, and even that turns out to be recklessly negligent. That's how hard it is to make a case for innocently shooting something looking like bigfoot. People dressed in a suit are obviously worried about their behavior in that suit. There are plenty of examples of them being filmed. But no examples of them drawing fire. So we don't have examples of people in suits doing things that give a legitimate excuse to fire, like attacking. It doesn't matter if it is a pig or a moose or a live person with no suit on: the legitimate excuse for firing is defense of life and property. So "I thought it was bigfoot" is irrelevant. So what example can you conjure up where someone is wearing a suit and fired upon? Either the person in the suit is out of their minds and doing something that gets them shot for good reason, or the people who are armed are being criminally negligent. |
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For once I agree with something ABP has said and the world didn't come to an end as a result. I'm hoping we don't have enough of the details about what they are doing to make a valid judgement.
I can't get past the risk of hurting a person in all of this if you are blindly shooting at things in the dark. Bipto said the other shooting incidents happened at night and gave that as a reason for why the target was missed, I can only form an opinion based on what is said, though. Surely the risk would not be worth it. |
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As usual, the Bigfoot "evidence" is advanced by pro-Bigfoot folks, either to be believed or ignored. I would give more credence to the otherwise exciting stuff in the Oklahoma hills if their group had neutral or even skeptical scientists embedded. And some Radford or Nichols skeptical type expositors.
That they should bring along a journalist is a bad idea, I think. Journalism today is not into exposing as much as it is into promoting. Just today on a tv news broadcast, because of upcoming Halloween, a "journalist" went to a cemetary with "ghost hunters" who had a device that picked up "spirit communication." The reporter did not dig into this amazing feat and presented it straightfoward almost to the point of endorsement. |
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Alaska's comments are worth pondering. It is possible that group members are just firing off shots at the local flora, not fauna. The shooting incident of last year was witnessed by no one but the shooter.
If we remove from the table a population of actual Oklahoma apes, a pattern remains. The group spends a couple of years discerning nothing more than tree knocks and woops. More of the same until the dramatic sighting and firing of shots. Then another sighting. Next year all hell breaks loose. Multiple sightings, multiple gun shots. Wood Apes surround in the dark. Wood Apes harassing the Wood Apers via rock and nut bombardments. The whole thing looked at this way comes across as a scenario. If Alaska is right, we need not worry about innocent hunters or hikers or innocent-less hoaxers getting shot. The aim will be around seven feet off the ground, or higher. |
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Depends on the jurisdiction. In Oregon, Oregon State Police are fish/wildlife hunting law enforcement. I've had the conversation about the legality of hunting bigfoot in Oregon and it was explained to me that bigfoot is not a protected animal/game species in the State of Oregon and there is no reason you couldn't shoot one in Oregon. As they are the experts in fish/wildlife regulations I have to believe what they've stated and it wouldn't any different than a kid wearing a bear or mountain lion costume in the woods.
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You see dead people GT/CS?
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I've seen something similar to this on the Skate 3 intro...
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I've also heard many times that witnesses would/could not shoot bigfoot because it looked too human.
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