[Continuation] The Marjorie Taylor Greene thread - Part II - Page 33

smartcooky · 17th September 2023, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

Dumb ***** gonna **** dumb.

Emptee Gee still giving Louis Gohmert stiff competition for the dumbest person in Congress.

My bet is that she could not even point to Ukraine on a map, making her just one of 84% of Americans who also cannot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/com...ut_ukraine_on/

Trebuchet · 17th September 2023, 04:57 PM

Could she point to the USofA on a globe? Probably not. Likely a flat earther, anyhow.

Stacyhs · 17th September 2023, 04:59 PM

If MTG had been alive in 1938, she'd have believed that all Adolf wanted was Austria and the Sudetenland and had no designs on the rest of Europe. She'd have still believed it even after he invaded Poland because she wouldn't have known where Poland was. Oh, hell...or what Poland was.

dudalb · 19th September 2023, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I don't agree with either of those two statements.

As someonw who is a very heavy duty Civil War buff, I fully agree.
Grant and Sheridan job was to crush the rebellion, which they did, dictating the post war policy toward the South was not their job. I agree that the failure to secure the rights of Blacks n the South was a disaster for the US, but it was not Grant and Sheridan's ' job to do that at least as far being generals go. Now when Grant was elected President, then it did become his job.
And I would like Gulliver to explain exactly what he would have replaced the constituion with. Probably a overwhelming powerfu central govenrment which would have reduced the states of administrative conviences, something which would not sell even today.

Darat · 20th September 2023, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

If MTG had been alive in 1938, she'd have believed that all Adolf wanted was Austria and the Sudetenland and had no designs on the rest of Europe. She'd have still believed it even after he invaded Poland because she wouldn't have known where Poland was. Oh, hell...or what Poland was.

Why would she have been concerned about a country in Africa?

ponderingturtle · 20th September 2023, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

True. I think the Peculiar Institution was dying anyway. The Industrial Revolution would have made slavery financially untenable and it would have ended eventually anyway. But that would not have helped those enslaved then..

Yea they would have abolished slavery sometime in the next 40-50 years. Keep in mind a triumphant south means no lost cause lies and slavery being the literal cornerstone of their nation. It strikes me that changing the confederates constitution to permit the abolition of slavery would be a bigger bar than people realize.

You would have at least a generation more slavery.

lobosrul5 · 20th September 2023, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

If MTG had been alive in 1938, she'd have believed that all Adolf wanted was Austria and the Sudetenland and had no designs on the rest of Europe. She'd have still believed it even after he invaded Poland because she wouldn't have known where Poland was. Oh, hell...or what Poland was.

.... why should Americans give all that much concern as to where poles are made?! We should make them here!

Stacyhs · Yesterday, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Why would she have been concerned about a country in Africa?

True. And a ****-hole country at that!

Gulliver Foyle · Yesterday, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Yea they would have abolished slavery sometime in the next 40-50 years. Keep in mind a triumphant south means no lost cause lies and slavery being the literal cornerstone of their nation. It strikes me that changing the confederates constitution to permit the abolition of slavery would be a bigger bar than people realize.

You would have at least a generation more slavery.

Given that the passed but not enacted confederate constitution specifically stated that no law, amendment or other change to the constitution could outlaw slavery, then I'd say it would only have happened with societal collapse.

Stacyhs · Yesterday, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Given that the passed but not enacted confederate constitution specifically stated that no law, amendment or other change to the constitution could outlaw slavery, then I'd say it would only have happened with societal collapse.

Money has more influence than anything else. With the rise of the Industrial Revolution, slavery would have become financially unsupportable. Companies replace workers with automation because it's financially to their benefit.

gnome · Yesterday, 07:29 PM

There will always be a desirable use for disposable people if it's allowed.

ponderingturtle · Today, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Money has more influence than anything else. With the rise of the Industrial Revolution, slavery would have become financially unsupportable. Companies replace workers with automation because it's financially to their benefit.

Why is slavery so incompatible with industrialization?

The Great Zaganza · Today, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Why is slavery so incompatible with industrialization?

Too much potential for extremely expensive sabotage.

MRC_Hans · Today, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Too much potential for extremely expensive sabotage.

While Nazi Germany used slave workers for weapons production with some efficiency it dose require a lot of guards and constant threats of violence, which is not really productive for peace-time industry.

Another, and more important thing: Civilian industry needs customers for its products. If you just have a slave-owning elite to supply, you don't need much industry. Thus, the working class must be able to buy your products, and this means you have to employ them, rather than own them.

Hans

ZiprHead · Today, 09:35 AM

Unverified.

Stacyhs · Today, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Why is slavery so incompatible with industrialization?

As slavery really has nothing to do with MTG, I don't want to derail the thread, which according to some, I'm rather prolific at doing.

Stacyhs · Today, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

Unverified.

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I looked it up. It's real.

dudalb · Today, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

Unverified.

https://scontent-ord5-1.xx.fbcdn.net...wQ&oe=6512805B

Comparing MTG to a Neandrathal is really unfair to Neadenthrals.

Mike! · Today, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

Unverified.

If the loincloth fits, wear it.

Please.

The Great Zaganza · Today, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

While Nazi Germany used slave workers for weapons production with some efficiency it dose require a lot of guards and constant threats of violence, which is not really productive for peace-time industry.

Another, and more important thing: Civilian industry needs customers for its products. If you just have a slave-owning elite to supply, you don't need much industry. Thus, the working class must be able to buy your products, and this means you have to employ them, rather than own them.

Hans

North Korea is using slave labor to pay for the luxury consumption of their Dear Leader, so that works, too, economically.

dudalb · Today, 06:47 PM

MTG scored a victory in forcing MaCarthy to remove Ukrainian funding form the Ominbus spending bill, and bring it up in stand alone vote. And McCarthy is getting hell over this.
IMHO the funding will still pass, but McCarthy has empowered Greene even more.
And how much is Green getting from Putin to carry his water on Capitol Hill?

Norman Alexander · Today, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

MTG scored a victory in forcing MaCarthy to remove Ukrainian funding form the Ominbus spending bill, and bring it up in stand alone vote. And McCarthy is getting hell over this.
IMHO the funding will still pass, but McCarthy has empowered Greene even more.
And how much is Green getting from Putin to carry his water on Capitol Hill?

Answe to your question: she has no idea but probably everything.

17th September 2023, 04:45 PM	#1281
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19th September 2023, 05:46 PM	#1284
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,303	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I don't agree with either of those two statements. As someonw who is a very heavy duty Civil War buff, I fully agree. Grant and Sheridan job was to crush the rebellion, which they did, dictating the post war policy toward the South was not their job. I agree that the failure to secure the rights of Blacks n the South was a disaster for the US, but it was not Grant and Sheridan's ' job to do that at least as far being generals go. Now when Grant was elected President, then it did become his job. And I would like Gulliver to explain exactly what he would have replaced the constituion with. Probably a overwhelming powerfu central govenrment which would have reduced the states of administrative conviences, something which would not sell even today.
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20th September 2023, 12:06 AM	#1285
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,118	Originally Posted by Stacyhs If MTG had been alive in 1938, she'd have believed that all Adolf wanted was Austria and the Sudetenland and had no designs on the rest of Europe. She'd have still believed it even after he invaded Poland because she wouldn't have known where Poland was. Oh, hell...or what Poland was. Why would she have been concerned about a country in Africa?
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20th September 2023, 01:19 PM	#1286
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 53,115	Originally Posted by Stacyhs True. I think the Peculiar Institution was dying anyway. The Industrial Revolution would have made slavery financially untenable and it would have ended eventually anyway. But that would not have helped those enslaved then.. Yea they would have abolished slavery sometime in the next 40-50 years. Keep in mind a triumphant south means no lost cause lies and slavery being the literal cornerstone of their nation. It strikes me that changing the confederates constitution to permit the abolition of slavery would be a bigger bar than people realize. You would have at least a generation more slavery.
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17th September 2023, 04:59 PM	#1283
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,633	If MTG had been alive in 1938, she'd have believed that all Adolf wanted was Austria and the Sudetenland and had no designs on the rest of Europe. She'd have still believed it even after he invaded Poland because she wouldn't have known where Poland was. Oh, hell...or what Poland was.

20th September 2023, 02:57 PM	#1287
lobosrul5 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 6,070	Originally Posted by Stacyhs If MTG had been alive in 1938, she'd have believed that all Adolf wanted was Austria and the Sudetenland and had no designs on the rest of Europe. She'd have still believed it even after he invaded Poland because she wouldn't have known where Poland was. Oh, hell...or what Poland was. .... why should Americans give all that much concern as to where poles are made?! We should make them here!
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Yesterday, 01:25 AM	#1288
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,633	Originally Posted by Darat Why would she have been concerned about a country in Africa? True. And a ****-hole country at that!

Yesterday, 02:24 AM	#1289
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,397	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Yea they would have abolished slavery sometime in the next 40-50 years. Keep in mind a triumphant south means no lost cause lies and slavery being the literal cornerstone of their nation. It strikes me that changing the confederates constitution to permit the abolition of slavery would be a bigger bar than people realize. You would have at least a generation more slavery. Given that the passed but not enacted confederate constitution specifically stated that no law, amendment or other change to the constitution could outlaw slavery, then I'd say it would only have happened with societal collapse.
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Yesterday, 07:01 PM	#1290
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,633	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle Given that the passed but not enacted confederate constitution specifically stated that no law, amendment or other change to the constitution could outlaw slavery, then I'd say it would only have happened with societal collapse. Money has more influence than anything else. With the rise of the Industrial Revolution, slavery would have become financially unsupportable. Companies replace workers with automation because it's financially to their benefit.

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Today, 07:53 AM	#1292
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 53,115	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Money has more influence than anything else. With the rise of the Industrial Revolution, slavery would have become financially unsupportable. Companies replace workers with automation because it's financially to their benefit. Why is slavery so incompatible with industrialization?
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Today, 08:07 AM	#1293
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MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 24,683	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Too much potential for extremely expensive sabotage. While Nazi Germany used slave workers for weapons production with some efficiency it dose require a lot of guards and constant threats of violence, which is not really productive for peace-time industry. Another, and more important thing: Civilian industry needs customers for its products. If you just have a slave-owning elite to supply, you don't need much industry. Thus, the working class must be able to buy your products, and this means you have to employ them, rather than own them. Hans
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Today, 01:10 PM	#1296
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,633	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Why is slavery so incompatible with industrialization? As slavery really has nothing to do with MTG, I don't want to derail the thread, which according to some, I'm rather prolific at doing.

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Today, 01:54 PM	#1300
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Photo Contest Winner Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 20,687	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans While Nazi Germany used slave workers for weapons production with some efficiency it dose require a lot of guards and constant threats of violence, which is not really productive for peace-time industry. Another, and more important thing: Civilian industry needs customers for its products. If you just have a slave-owning elite to supply, you don't need much industry. Thus, the working class must be able to buy your products, and this means you have to employ them, rather than own them. Hans North Korea is using slave labor to pay for the luxury consumption of their Dear Leader, so that works, too, economically.
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Today, 06:47 PM	#1301
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 59,303	MTG scored a victory in forcing MaCarthy to remove Ukrainian funding form the Ominbus spending bill, and bring it up in stand alone vote. And McCarthy is getting hell over this. IMHO the funding will still pass, but McCarthy has empowered Greene even more. And how much is Green getting from Putin to carry his water on Capitol Hill?
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Today, 09:25 PM	#1302
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,717	Originally Posted by dudalb MTG scored a victory in forcing MaCarthy to remove Ukrainian funding form the Ominbus spending bill, and bring it up in stand alone vote. And McCarthy is getting hell over this. IMHO the funding will still pass, but McCarthy has empowered Greene even more. And how much is Green getting from Putin to carry his water on Capitol Hill? Answe to your question: she has no idea but probably everything.
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