Australia

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Queanbeyan.

Moe. Any more noms, readers?

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

I find it interesting that Australia doesn't have distinct regional accents. I can't tell by your pronunciation whether you're from Perth or Brisbane. I might be able to tell you whether you're from Cremorne or Redfern, and I could probably tell you wether you were from Perth or Mintabe. But this has more to do with socioeconomic status and quality of education than purely location. I probably wouldn't be able to tell whether you're from Mintabe or Meekathara.

That's something that we seem to have on our own, isn't it?

The causes and effects of this are worth discussing for a while, I hope, because I find it fascinating as well. I've always wondered why it's so easy to tell the difference between a New Yorker and a Texan, or a between a Gordie and a Scouse, but as you say, never the difference between a Sandgroper and a Banana Bender.

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

What Australia does have is regional idiom. It's not that people pronounce words differently in different places, but that they use different words for common concepts. For example, a bogan in Canberra can be called a "Charnie", as in someone who lives in Charnwood (the highest-crime suburb in Canberra). But you wouldn't expect someone from Sydney to understand the idiom, even though that person would pronounce it identically.

Yup. I'll bet Wildy could baffle a few people if he started talking about spoggies sitting on Stobie poles.


Cheers,

Dave

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by lionking

What a brilliant dictionary. I could spend hours on it and learn words and meanings I never thought existed.

But as former Bondi lifesaver (club champion 1967, but I'm not putting tickets on myself at all) I can categorically confirm that Bondi cigars were a reality at that beach. Not now, thankfully.

The world shrinks yet again! In 1967 I was a daily fixture on Cronulla beach.

Since you won't put tickets on yourself, I will.

The Surf Lifesavers are excellent representatives of what it is to be Australian, and are truly worthy of the title "hero". Well done, lionking.

Here's a bit of history for you:

Quote:

Surf Life Saving Reel

The Surf Lifesaving reel had its first public demo on December 23rd 1906 at Bondi Beach, Sydney, New South Wales. The first person to be rescued was a little boy called Charles Smith, later to become the famous Sir Charles Kingsford Smith.

ozbird.com



We southern beach goers had more trouble with bluebottles than "floaters".


Cheers,

Dave

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by lionking

He was from Sydney, as I was originally. Any links to NSW regiments would be appreciated.

The Lancers! A rich heritage indeed.

Below is a studio portrait of Cecil Stanley Samuel Hibbert wearing the uniform of the 1st Australian Light Horse (the New South Wales Lancers). Hibbert later enlisted with the 1st AIF at Sorrento, Vic, on 15 July 1915, and served as a private in the 7th Battalion. 2850A Private Hibbert died of wounds in Belgium on 5th October 1917.



© Australian War Memorial


Other images of 1LH and NSW Lancer uniforms can be seen here.


Here is the lineage of the NSW Lancers.


© New South Wales Lancers Memorial Museum Incorporated


The 12th (New South Wales) Light Horse Regiment formed part of the 4th Light Horse Brigade under Brigadier-General William Grant (born Stawell, Victoria). Earlier, Australian General Sir H. G. Chauvel had been ordered "to capture Beersheeba today, in order to secure water and take prisoners". Chauvel had other units available including British troops, but directed the 4th Brigade forward. "Put Grant straight at it", he directed.

The attack of the 4th Light Horse Brigade at Beersheba was history's last great mounted charge.

Originally Posted by Trooper Eric Elliot

"It was the bravest, most awe inspiring sight I've ever witnessed, and they were. . . yelling, swearing and shouting. There were more than 500 Aussie horsemen . . . As they thundered past my hair stood on end. The boys were wild-eyed and yelling their heads off".

Beersheba - the last great mounted charge


Larrikins.

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

It’s like that for me most of the time. It’s nice to talk to a fellow Aussie to trot out expressions that used to come so naturally. I don’t say "bugger" anymore – it’s a bit embarrassing to explain that one. Calling someone a bastard as a term of endearment doesn’t go down well around here either.

Originally Posted by Wildy

Meh. I've been watching too many Pommy shows to the extent that I'm more likely to use their insults rather then Australian ones.

I pick up and recycle words all the time, and this is a classic example. I picked up "bugger" (no sexual overtones, gentle foreign readers) from the TV ads for Toyota, featuring the talking Blue Heeler, and started using it as a replacement for "bummer" which I'd earlier picked up from American TV.

TV (and radio) are often responsible for propogating or reviving Aussie expressions.

Originally Posted by Contributor's comments

"Brass monkey weather" was used in SA and its use increased during the 70s or 80s due to a beer/ale commercial on the radio and telly - Cooper's Stout I think.

Australian Word Map


Cheers,

Dave

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by proudnonbbeliever

I don't think anything anything got in the old distillery without coming out 70 proof, my liver sure diid. I know of a carleton brewery at yatala (yummmm). Dunno about historically in the area of beenleigh though. As to lion park do you mean grrrr lions or the lions association? I don't know but I can ask my dad, he's been a beenleigh boy a fair while and knows a lot of the history.

Grrr lions.

Also yes, Carlton yummy.

[MG1962]

Brass monkey weather is very common in Sydney. Funny thing is it nothing sexual or vulgar

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by Old Bob

An intresting spot up the road from where Dave lives is between Wangaratta and Myrtleford where the road (I believe) goes through an ancient crater. As you start to climb from Everton to Gapstead you are in it.

Google maps show a circle depression washed out on the Wang end. Interestingly gold is all around but none in the depression area.

The ridge around seem to me to be rubble.

Like this?



As you say, there's big mobs of gold in the hills, but none down on the flat. I don't know why.

Speaking of mountains in this area, I have a bro- and sister-in-law living at the foot of the Warby Range, in the extreme lower left of the above picture.

Their town is Glenrowan, Victoria, and it has quite a history.

Originally Posted by Old Bob

Back towards Wang. (Everton), my parents had a property for awhile that was taken up by a Dr Grant who was William Hovell's brother in law. (see: Hume & Hovell) His name is (was) scatched into a window pane on the remains of the first homestead complete with ghost.

Called the station "The Grange". Plenty of tiger snakes - Dad got over 200 feet of snake one summer. The Wraith boys from Harrietville who Dad bought it from sold snake skins to New Zealand, and for easy skinning nailed the snakes through the head to the shed wall leaving dozens of dried heads - should have got a photo.

Originally Posted by Rolf Harris

So they tanned 'is 'ide when 'e died, Clyde,
And that's it 'angin' on the shed.

I'll quote the whole song later.

Originally Posted by Old Bob

Darn, just run out of home made Vodka.

1. Go home.
   
   
2. Make more.
   
   
3. Post stories.
   
   
4. Profit?

Cheers Mate.

[SimonD]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Queanbeyan.

I find it interesting that Australia doesn't have distinct regional accents. I can't tell by your pronunciation whether you're from Perth or Brisbane. I might be able to tell you whether you're from Cremorne or Redfern, and I could probably tell you wether you were from Perth or Mintabe. But this has more to do with socioeconomic status and quality of education than purely location. I probably wouldn't be able to tell whether you're from Mintabe or Meekathara.

What Australia does have is regional idiom. It's not that people pronounce words differently in different places, but that they use different words for common concepts. For example, a bogan in Canberra can be called a "Charnie", as in someone who lives in Charnwood (the highest-crime suburb in Canberra). But you wouldn't expect someone from Sydney to understand the idiom, even though that person would pronounce it identically.

Having worked all around Australia for the mining industry, I would have to say that this is mostly true.
Tasmania and the NT use 'bloke' and 'cobber' more then mate
N.S.W and Victoria will use Westies for bogan
South Australians draw out the vowel sound - caaastle instead of castle
Queenslanders will end sentences with 'A' - 'It's a great day, a?

There does seem to be a slight diffenence in accents between those in the city and the country. When I worked for Moura mines I had a hard time understanding the locals. They seemed to mumble there words.

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by SimonD

"[A] batch of some 50 or 60 Australian prisoners were marched off close behind us — immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."
Lt. Gen. Erwin Rommel

A history of Australian troops in WW2
http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/ww2.asp

(I think) one of the greatest moments, when reserve troops saved the country from being invaded (well, saved PNG from being invaded which would have allowed the Japanese to setup a base to invade Australia)

Kokoda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokoda_Track_Campaign

For such a small country (in population) our contribution was enormous and we served in nearly every front, including having men posted in Iceland, helping protect the Russia coast line.

From your links:

Some members of D Company, 39th Battalion, returning to their base camp after a battle at Isurava.



Right to left:

Warrant Officer 2 R. Marsh, Privates G. Palmer, J. Manol, J. Tonkins, A. Forrester and Gallipoli veteran Staff Sergeant J. Long. Their shoes sink deep in the mud on the hilly jungle track.





Native bearers (popularly known as "Fuzzy Wuzzy Angels") carry a wounded Australian soldier on a stretcher. They are moving up a steep hill track through a thick tropical jungle.


Cheers

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by MG1962

Brass monkey weather is very common in Sydney. Funny thing is it nothing sexual or vulgar

No, not at all. My dear old Mum in Sydney is 79 and she often describes cold weather as "Monkey's".


Cheers

[Damien Evans]

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

Moving words. Thank you for posting them for us.


Cheers,

Dave

They're from an Anti-Vietnam War protest song called A Walk In The Light Green.

[Damien Evans]

Originally Posted by lionking

No corrections, but you have just reminded me that my grandfather and his brothers were in the Light Horse Brigade, but served in Egypt and France (IIRC). I always thought that my father was BSing me (not for the first time) about the history of my grandfather - being shunned by the local Catholic Church when he turned up after the war wearing his slouch hat etc - until I was given photographs of him and his brothers in uniform, young and innocent, before getting on the boat and also seeing his letters from the front.

The courage of these men fighting a war with so little relevance to the security of Australia is awe-inspiring. Although I'm not sure he served there, I am determined to visit Villers-Bretonneux before I turn up my toes.

Originally Posted by wikipedia

The 13th Light Horse Regiment and one squadron of the 4th Light Horse Regiment served on the Western Front, first as divisional cavalry squadrons for the 2nd, 4th and 5th Divisions, and then as the I Anzac Corps Mounted Regiment. A squadron of the 4th provided the divisional cavalry squadron for the 1st Division and one of the 14th Light Horse for the 3rd Division. In combination with New Zealand mounted troops, the squadron of the 4th became part of the II Anzac Corps Mounted Regiment. After the Australian Corps was formed in November 1917, the I Anzac Corps Mounted Regiment became known as the 13th Light Horse Regiment again.

Other than those 2 units the Light Horse never set foot in Western Europe.

[Damien Evans]

Originally Posted by SimonD

"[A] batch of some 50 or 60 Australian prisoners were marched off close behind us — immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."
Lt. Gen. Erwin Rommel

A history of Australian troops in WW2
http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/ww2.asp

(I think) one of the greatest moments, when reserve troops saved the country from being invaded (well, saved PNG from being invaded which would have allowed the Japanese to setup a base to invade Australia)

Kokoda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokoda_Track_Campaign

For such a small country (in population) our contribution was enormous and we served in nearly every front, including having men posted in Iceland, helping protect the Russia coast line.

That's putting a kind spin on it. Reserve troops indeed.

What they were was half trained militia battalions, until the 21st brigade was sent up. It's amazing and a credit to the men and officers of the 39th militia battalion managed to hold off the Japanese as long as they did, given they were up against elite Japanese troops and they hadn't ever completed basic training.

It was a cruel joke by the government to send them there in the first place. The 7th division had arrived back in Australia and was available to be sent up in full strength, but instead they sent up 3 undertrained militia battalions, one of which, the 53rd, was later described as "quite the worst battalion in Australia".

[Damien Evans]

Originally Posted by SimonD

Having worked all around Australia for the mining industry, I would have to say that this is mostly true.
Tasmania and the NT use 'bloke' and 'cobber' more then mate
N.S.W and Victoria will use Westies for bogan
South Australians draw out the vowel sound - caaastle instead of castle
Queenslanders will end sentences with 'A' - 'It's a great day, a?

There does seem to be a slight diffenence in accents between those in the city and the country. When I worked for Moura mines I had a hard time understanding the locals. They seemed to mumble there words.

What? I've lived in Victoria my whole life and never once have I heard this "westie" word.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

What? I've lived in Victoria my whole life and never once have I heard this "westie" word.

I have always been under the impression that it's a Sydney word, for someone from the Western Suburbs.

[Wildy]

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

Other than those 2 units the Light Horse never set foot in Western Europe.

That would mean that my family probably shot at them.

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

It was a cruel joke by the government to send them there in the first place. The 7th division had arrived back in Australia and was available to be sent up in full strength, but instead they sent up 3 undertrained militia battalions, one of which, the 53rd, was later described as "quite the worst battalion in Australia".

I think it says a lot about the Australians if they can do that. And then you get idiots like Blamey with his "running rabbits" comment.

[Damien Evans]

Originally Posted by Wildy

That would mean that my family probably shot at them.



I think it says a lot about the Australians if they can do that. And then you get idiots like Blamey with his "running rabbits" comment.

That has to be in the running for stupidest thing ever said by a commanding officer.

[Old Bob]

Great picture of the depression- crater Dave, did you know that fruit bats have made it to Wangratta. Our over sea people may be interested to know that the black night raiders range in the hundreds of thousands mainly from Cape York south to about Sydney. A good 2ft wing span and camp in big mobs in secluded trees. Terrible toilet habits as they hang upside down like black foot balls. Speaking of Aussie toilets,one bloke built a "Thunder Box" over a deep old mine shaft near Bright. Don't drop watch or wallet and be very carefull. This same bushie had a cow with 5 legs. (true) I was brought up near Bright on what is now the "Old Tobacco Shed"(tourist trap) on the beautiful Ovens river now a gutter from dry years and over water useage. Rainbow trout,brown trout sparkling water all gone, guess we didn't help fishing with Alfred Noble.

[Damien Evans]

Fruit Bats, or Flying Foxes as they are also known range right down to Southern Victoria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_headed_flying_fox

They are the largest bats in the world, with wingspans of up to 1 metre. When you see them flying they're quite easy to mistake for a bird of prey if you're not looking carefully.

ETA: it seems these are larger, but the same genus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Flying_Fox

[Jeff Corey]

That's cool - I didn't know that they couldn't echolocate. I guess those fruit don't provide much of a chase.

[SimonD]

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

What? I've lived in Victoria my whole life and never once have I heard this "westie" word.

I guy I went to school with who was Victorian used the term and so does TISM in one of their songs, so I assumed...

[SimonD]

Originally Posted by Wildy

I think it says a lot about the Australians if they can do that. And then you get idiots like Blamey with his "running rabbits" comment.

Blamey, what a dick. Imagine telling your troops that they were cowards for falling back to prepared postions when you are outnumbered and outgunned.

I remember reading a story about Blamey when he went to see a movie that was put on for the wounded troops. When he come in and sat down, all of the wounded men got up and walked out.

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

They're from an Anti-Vietnam War protest song called A Walk In The Light Green.

Yup, thanks for the details. Been for my share of walkies in the light green.


Cheers,

Dave.

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by SimonD

Having worked all around Australia for the mining industry, I would have to say that this is mostly true.
Tasmania and the NT use 'bloke' and 'cobber' more then mate
N.S.W and Victoria will use Westies for bogan
South Australians draw out the vowel sound - caaastle instead of castle
Queenslanders will end sentences with 'A' - 'It's a great day, a?

There does seem to be a slight diffenence in accents between those in the city and the country. When I worked for Moura mines I had a hard time understanding the locals. They seemed to mumble there words.

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

What? I've lived in Victoria my whole life and never once have I heard this "westie" word.

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

I have always been under the impression that it's a Sydney word, for someone from the Western Suburbs.

Originally Posted by SimonD

I guy I went to school with who was Victorian used the term and so does TISM in one of their songs, so I assumed...

I've spent about equal thirds of my life in Qld, NSW and Vic (55 years) plus about 3 years in Canberra.

I would have said that Westie definitely originated in Sydney and referred particularly to places like Blacktown, but I had also assumed that it would have adopted a similar meaning in Melbourne for places like Sunshine.

My wife, who was a Victorian, understood this meaning, although we were both in the Army, where the language is a bit of a mongrel dog, so to speak. If I were to use Westies in my local pub though, I doubt that many would understand what I meant, and would think I was referring to Western Australians.


Have to agree with Simon about the differences between country and city speech. The tight-lipped country drawl is part of it, but what amazes me is the speed difference. People from Sydney, especially, always sound like they're going ten-to-the-dozen to my laconic country lugholes.


Cheers,

Dave

[FFed]

I was in Australia two years ago and loved it. Can't wait to go back and maybe even buy some property there.

And Puberty Blues is a great movie.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by FFed

And Puberty Blues is a great movie.

Not as good as Storm Boy.

[Old Bob]

What the thread losing steam? We have hardly touched Australia yet. Some spots in Qld N.T. have their own oil wells, some unkown to the enemy (Gov) The oil is so thin it can be used as deisel straight, just filter. Some years back a bit was sneaking into the system and got sprung. Rumor that motors blow up etc, big checks, fines on ones caught, all because they missed out on tax. Their media mates played it up. Large areas out there to hide a well. My son worked on two leases one 7,000,000. acres, another 5,000,000. We also have a huge array of supposed to be "Over the horizon radar" We have capped wells from Bass Straight to West Australia,think we are floating on oil and gas as we sell (did sell) ship loads to China at about 4c a litre, it's a bit more to us. And we have Zelite with the potencial to make polution free batteries (made a crude one myself with zelite and magnesium) Dave's real good at show and tell detail. Also we have areas suitable for hot rock energy extraction (push water down get high pressure steam back) Birdsville produce elec. power with a mini hot water system.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Old Bob

We also have a huge array of supposed to be "Over the horizon radar"

If it's only "supposed to be" that, what do you think it really is?

[FFed]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Not as good as Storm Boy.

Never heard of it.

Does anyone know what ever happened to Jad Capelja who played Sue Knight in Puberty Blues? I am curious as to whatever happened to her but there is no info available.

[lionking]

Originally Posted by FFed

I was in Australia two years ago and loved it. Can't wait to go back and maybe even buy some property there.

And Puberty Blues is a great movie.

"Monkey Grip" came out about the same time, and was a superior film IMO, with a much better sound track.

The Carlton pool, where some of it was shot, was saved from destruction a few years ago, and you can still see the "Aqua Profunda" sign on the wall (or it was there when I last visited), which says a lot about the multi-culturalism of Melbourne.

Speaking of which, don't ignore our great city. The best unknown large city in the world. When I've been overseas and asked people to guess the size of Melbourne, I get 200,000, 500,000, even 1,000,000, but so far nobody has got near the 4 million population.

[Old Bob]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

If it's only "supposed to be" that, what do you think it really is?

Haarp, weather control.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by FFed

Never heard of it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076767/

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Old Bob

Haarp, weather control.

Well, it's not doing a very good job, if I may say so. Floods in the north, bushfires in the south, fifteen years of drought...

[Sideroxylon]

Originally Posted by lionking

"Monkey Grip" came out about the same time, and was a superior film IMO, with a much better sound track.

A great soundtrack by the Divinyls and lead singer Christina Amphlett even scored an AFI best supporting actress award out of it. It’s a shame the band are seen as one hit wonders abroad (I touch Myself) because have produced a lot of good songs over their almost 30 year history.

[lionking]

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

A great soundtrack by the Divinyls and lead singer Christina Amphlett even scored an AFI best supporting actress award out of it. It’s a shame the band are seen as one hit wonders abroad (I touch Myself) because have produced a lot of good songs over their almost 30 year history.

Oh agreed. One of the best Aussie bands of the 80s. Saw them live once.

[arthwollipot]

Australia has approximately the same land area as the continental United States, and about 10% of the population.

Almost all of that population is crowded onto the eastern edge, between the mountains and the sea.

[Damien Evans]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Australia has approximately the same land area as the continental United States, and about 10% of the population.

Almost all of that population is crowded onto the eastern edge, between the mountains and the sea.

And 90% of the rest are in either Adelaide, Canberra or Perth.

[Wildy]

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

And 90% of the rest are in either Adelaide, Canberra or Perth.

You mean Darwin right? Canberra falls within the area specified by arthwollipot.

[MG1962]

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

A great soundtrack by the Divinyls and lead singer Christina Amphlett even scored an AFI best supporting actress award out of it. It’s a shame the band are seen as one hit wonders abroad (I touch Myself) because have produced a lot of good songs over their almost 30 year history.

I had a huge arguement about this. A recent one hit wonder show had Midnight Oil. I was outraged. A person said, well how do you expect Americans to know about their other music

I pointed out using that critera Led Zep would also be a one hit wonder band

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by Old Bob

Great picture of the depression/crater Dave.

I hadn't really noticed it myself until you pointed it out, but when you did I found what you were describing really easily, and I have to agree with you that the hills towards Wang look like debris. I was hoping someone clever at geology and stuff would chip in.

Originally Posted by Old Bob

Did you know that fruit bats have made it to Wangratta. Our overseas people may be interested to know that the black night raiders range in the hundreds of thousands, mainly from Cape York south to about Sydney. A good 2ft wing span and camp in big mobs in secluded trees. Terrible toilet habits as they hang upside down like black footballs.

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

Fruit Bats, or Flying Foxes as they are also known range right down to Southern Victoria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_headed_flying_fox

They are the largest bats in the world, with wingspans of up to 1 metre. When you see them flying they're quite easy to mistake for a bird of prey if you're not looking carefully.

ETA: it seems these are larger, but the same genus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Flying_Fox

Fruit bats have definitely arrived in Victoria - big time. I've seen the sky at sunset nearly black with them up around Shepparton when the fruit trees are in season. My guess is that they roost along the Murray, as they do along watercourses in the north, and make their way out into the orchards at night. The farmers must hate the damned things.

The biggest ones I've ever seen are in Brisbane. They seem to enjoy the bright city lights and I assume they thrive on all the insects that are about, as well as people's fruit trees.

As Damien says, they look like eagles at first glance.

Originally Posted by Old Bob

Speaking of Aussie toilets,one bloke built a "Thunder Box" over a deep old mine shaft near Bright. Don't drop watch or wallet and be very careful.

Common practice in a lot of gold mining areas, like Ballarat and Bendigo. I'll bet a lot of things disappear down those holes, apart from the obvious.

Originally Posted by Old Bob

This same bushie had a cow with 5 legs. (true) I was brought up near Bright on what is now the "Old Tobacco Shed" (tourist trap) on the beautiful Ovens river - now a gutter from dry years and over water useage.

5-legged cows don't surprise me in the least, given that some of the people up there seem to have two heads I didn't know about the Old Tobacco Shed, but I do know hear rumours that a lot of chop-chop (illegal tobacco) comes from up around Bright.

Unfortunately, what you say about the Ovens is largely true, but it can still be pretty magic at certain times and places. If there's been good snow over Winter and then some decent Spring rain the river comes back into it's own.

They have to maintain a certain flow in the Ovens because Wangaratta gets its town water from there, and the parks and gardens on the river where it passes through the city are quite beautiful, despite the drought. A few bores help, I think.

Originally Posted by Old Bob

Rainbow trout,brown trout sparkling water all gone, guess we didn't help fishing with Alfred Noble.

Actually, it's not as bad as you might fear. Rivers like the Ovens still have trout in them, and kids catch brown trout in Sunday Creek, in Broadford, when there's been enough Winter rain.

It appears that the fact that streams are losing their perennial flows and connection to the sea isn't the death knell for the trout, and it seems they might be evolviing into new, land-locked species.

Arthwollipot comes from the heart of trout country, so he might have some fishing stories for us.


ETA: Fishing with Alfred is still popular, especially for clearing the carp out of a dam, and the Army thoughtfully used to provide us with lots of expanding bait to help supplement our rations



Cheers,

Dave