[Merged] The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah

Emre_1974tr · 4th January 2018, 05:56 PM

Examples:

Quran 50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us.

Quran 7:40 Those who have denied Our signs, and reacted to them with arrogance, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals.

1- God is not tired.

2- Not rich people, the disbelievers/bad peoples will go to hell.

Emre_1974tr · 4th January 2018, 05:57 PM

Quran 43:71 They will be served with golden trays and cups, and they will find everything the self desires and the eyes wish for, and you will abide therein forever.

There are all sorts of blessings in Paradise, including marriage, eating and drinking.

Emre_1974tr · 4th January 2018, 05:58 PM

heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe

Heavens = universes

The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.

But it is not infinite.

Seven universes, for example.

Other universes have planets too.

65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.

Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe

Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.

21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.

39:67 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.

Emre_1974tr · 4th January 2018, 05:59 PM

The Noah Flood was regional.

It was only for the people of Noah.

Probably Noah and the community lived on an island.

And only the people of Noah were destroyed.

Allah punishes badmen only.

Only the Qur'an tells the truth.

The Qur'an clearly states that the Flood was regional.

fagin · 4th January 2018, 06:00 PM

TS/DR (Too stupid/Didn't read)

Emre_1974tr · 4th January 2018, 06:03 PM

"Pharaoh is a title given to Egyptian rulers in the New Kingdom (not before).

For centuries it was thought that all Egyptian rulers were referred to as Pharaohs. Actually the Christian Bible insists that Abraham and Joseph interacted with Pharaohs. However modern discoveries show that this cannot be true. Pharaoh is a title given to rulers in the Egyptian New Kingdom, not before. So there were no Pharaohs at the time of Abraham or Joseph. They were just kings. But the Quran didn't do this mistake. The Quran correctly addressed the ruler at the time of Joseph as King, and correctly addressed the ruler at the time of Moses as Pharaoh.

The Egyptian ruler at time of Joseph was a king:

[Quran 12:52] The king said, "Bring him to me, and I will reserve him for myself." And when he spoke to him, he said, "This day you are with us established and secure."

The Egyptian ruler at time of Moses was a Pharaoh:

[Quran 40:26[ Pharaoh said, "Let me kill Moses, and let him appeal to his Lord. I fear he may change your religion, or spread disorder in the land."

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles...an/pharaoh.htm

abaddon · 4th January 2018, 06:17 PM

What a load. It seems allah is just as inept and useless as the judeo-christian god thing.

Mark F · 4th January 2018, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Examples:

Quran 50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us.

Quran 7:40 Those who have denied Our signs, and reacted to them with arrogance, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals.

1- God is not tired.

2- Not rich people, the disbelievers/bad peoples will go to hell.

So,... how can the word of God have errors that require correction?

acbytesla · 4th January 2018, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Mark F

So,... how can the word of God have errors that require correction?

This sounds arrogant. But the God of Torah, Bible, Quran is a moron.

I'm not 100 percent sure that there isn't a God/Creator.

Nevertheless, the one thing I do believe with 100 percent certainty is that if there is such a powerful being that created the universe, it wouldn't be this petty, cruel, sexist, absurd, pathetically moronic being portrayed in these nonsense books.

Loss Leader · 4th January 2018, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Examples:

Quran 50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us.

As someone who was raised Muslim, I can say with perfect confidence that Allah's behavior is that of a mean, spiteful and exceedingly forgetful fool.

mikado · 4th January 2018, 08:46 PM

Probably not your best choice of venue, really..

Scorpion · 5th January 2018, 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Examples:

Quran 50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us.

Quran 7:40 Those who have denied Our signs, and reacted to them with arrogance, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals.

1- God is not tired.

2- Not rich people, the disbelievers/bad peoples will go to hell.

Two examples of plagiarism from the bible in your post. Firstly the creation myth of heaven and earth being created in six days is directly stolen from the bible, and since the heavens and earth took billions of years to create both the bible and Quran are wrong.

And secondly, and more insulting to Jesus, the phrase a camel passing through the eye of a needle is directly stolen from Jesus story that a rich man cannot get into the kingdom of heaven. But Jesus words are taken and used out of context.

MikeG · 5th January 2018, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Noah Flood was regional.

It was only for the people of Noah.

Probably Noah and the community lived on an island.

And only the people of Noah were destroyed.

Allah punishes badmen only.

Only the Qur'an tells the truth.

The Qur'an clearly states that the Flood was regional.

What makes you think that we've any interest in your preaching? Personally, the more you seagull us with preachy crap, the less likely I am to take any notice of what you have to say, and the less sympathy I have for those who follow your religion. In other words, your current posting style is doing you and your religion harm, not good.

Scorpion · 5th January 2018, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran 43:71 They will be served with golden trays and cups, and they will find everything the self desires and the eyes wish for, and you will abide therein forever.

There are all sorts of blessings in Paradise, including marriage, eating and drinking.

Yes, I have read the stupid rotten Quran, and it says heaven is where people will lay on couches by rivers of wine where the fruit hangs low, being waited on by wide eyed youths.
The sort of heaven that only dusty old desert Arabs would dream of.

Muhammad promises a ridiculous heaven to Arabs that will fight his battles for him, and a burning hell for those that will not.

Porpoise of Life · 5th January 2018, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran 43:71 They will be served with golden trays and cups, and they will find everything the self desires and the eyes wish for, and you will abide therein forever.

There are all sorts of blessings in Paradise, including marriage, eating and drinking.

Do people poop in Paradise, and is there plumbing up there?
Or does everyone just crap where they stand like animals?

baron · 5th January 2018, 04:43 AM

Mohammed was a fraudulent, warmongering pederast.

Scorpion · 5th January 2018, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Noah Flood was regional.

It was only for the people of Noah.

Probably Noah and the community lived on an island.

And only the people of Noah were destroyed.

Allah punishes badmen only.

Only the Qur'an tells the truth.

The Qur'an clearly states that the Flood was regional.

What did Noah need with two of every kind of animal if the flood was only local? See Quran 11.40

This is just another story stolen from the bible, and it is nothing but a myth.

Emre_1974tr · 5th January 2018, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by Scorpion

What did Noah need with two of every kind of animal if the flood was only local? See Quran 11.40

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Those who claim that the Noah's Flood covers the whole world are trying to embrace the idea of collecting couples from every living thing. But there are samples from the animals in that area described here. If Someone says you "collect all the apples" ,this is mean in your around, not the whole world's apples, but the places you are in. Likewise, here, too, does not pass from all the animals in the world and is the place where Noah is mentioned.

Couples gathered from the land in the area.

Read my Turkish article:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...k-topluma.html

Andy_Ross · 5th January 2018, 05:29 AM

Hang about, haven't we just done all this?

Emre_1974tr · 5th January 2018, 05:36 AM

Christianity is a pagan.

So, Christianity has pagan Paradise perspective.

Like Spiritualism (no sex, eating ...).

Paganism thinks people will be gods in Paradise .

(heaven is universe not paradise).

But Quran gives true paradise perspective.

Porpoise of Life · 5th January 2018, 05:38 AM

How does that work? God supposedly created the flood to wipe out all evil people who had rejected him. Were all evil people located in the Middle East? Did all the other people (From Europe, Africa, most of Asia, the Americas) in Noah's day worship Allah? Is God so limited he couldn't see beyond the Levant? Was he powerless to murder those people who disobeyed him, but who lived too far from the Eufrates?

Your 'solution' only raises further inconsistencies.

Crossbow · 5th January 2018, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by Mark F

So,... how can the word of God have errors that require correction?

Seconded!

Any God that would need flawed humans to correct that God is obviously not a God at all.

aleCcowaN · 5th January 2018, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Read my Turkish article:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...k-topluma.html

Stop spamming your Christian missionary garbage. You're as a Muslim as The Man Who Counted.

MikeG · 5th January 2018, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Christianity is a pagan.

So, Christianity has pagan Paradise perspective.

Like Spiritualism (no sex, eating ...).

Paganism thinks people will be gods in Paradise .

(heaven is universe not paradise).

But Quran gives true paradise perspective.

Stop preaching crap.

You are spamming the forum with trite and meaningless babblings which not one single person here has any interest in whatever.

What has this bollocks got to do with the subject of the thread, anyway?

Darat · 5th January 2018, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Scorpion

Two examples of plagiarism from the bible in your post. Firstly the creation myth of heaven and earth being created in six days is directly stolen from the bible, and since the heavens and earth took billions of years to create both the bible and Quran are wrong.

And secondly, and more insulting to Jesus, the phrase a camel passing through the eye of a needle is directly stolen from Jesus story that a rich man cannot get into the kingdom of heaven. But Jesus words are taken and used out of context.

You meant "from the Torah"? You know those books that the Christian Bible plagiarized?

Bikewer · 5th January 2018, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by MikeG

Stop preaching crap.

You are spamming the forum with trite and meaningless babblings which not one single person here has any interest in whatever.

What has this bollocks got to do with the subject of the thread, anyway?

Seconded. Do you really think anyone here, on a skeptical and mostly atheist forum, is going to be converted to Islam by your nonsense?

The Greater Fool · 5th January 2018, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

You meant "from the Torah"? You know those books that the Christian Bible plagiarized?

Is not the Torah included within the Bible? [ETA] Wait, the Torah is not in the bible, it is separate. But the creation story is in the Bible, which I guess got it from the Torah [ETAA] which got it from that older story by... Gilgamesh?. It's all so confusing...

Porpoise of Life · 5th January 2018, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by The Greater Fool

Is not the Torah included within the Bible? [ETA] Wait, the Torah is not in the bible, it is separate. But the creation story is in the Bible, which I guess got it from the Torah [ETAA] which got it from that older story by... Gilgamesh?. It's all so confusing...

According to Christians, the Torah is part of the Bible. According to the Jews, the Christians took the Torah, added nonsense chapters and called it the Bible.
Just like Muslims have taken the Torah and New Testament, retconned and rewritten it to make the Quran.
And like the Mormons wrote another book to add onto the Bible to claim that it was actually them that had the real truth about Alien God with his planets and wives.

Taking the big dog in the yard's toys and claiming you are the only one who knows how to play with them appears to be a common strategy for stealing a little respectability for your new religion.

TX50 · 5th January 2018, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Egyptian ruler at time of Joseph was a king:

If you read the bible in the original Hebrew when it refers to the Egyptian ruler in the time of Abraham and Joseph, it also clearly uses the word "melek" (king).

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Egyptian ruler at time of Moses was a Pharaoh:

This depends on how you date the "exodus". Reputable biblical scholars put this [possibly fictional event] sometime in the 13th dynasty. Well before "pharaoh" was used as a title to refer to the Egyptian king's person. The term itself is first recorded in abour 2,500 BCE. This means the Qur'an is in error.

Beerina · 5th January 2018, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Noah Flood was regional.

It was only for the people of Noah.

Probably Noah and the community lived on an island.

And only the people of Noah were destroyed.

Now you're the one inventing things.

Lukraak_Sisser · 5th January 2018, 02:42 PM

If the qu'ran is so perfect, why does it need human explanation? There should be no need for Imams or all their additions.

of course, one does wonder why you are posting here. Where in your holy book is the usage of electricity, building of computers and the software architecture of the internet described, and if it is not there, clearly it is a godless invention you should not use.

Emre_1974tr · 5th January 2018, 03:15 PM

No imams in Islam.

Only the Qur'an is source of religion.

http://quranic.org/

Emre_1974tr · 5th January 2018, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Porpoise of Life

How does that work? God supposedly created the flood to wipe out all evil people who had rejected him .

The people of Noah had gone too far in evil.

So they were warned and destroyed.

And it's not known where. But I understood from the verses, they were on a island.

baron · 5th January 2018, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No imams in Islam.

Only the Qur'an is source of religion.

http://quranic.org/

I'm convinced.

La ilaha ill allah, Muhammadur Rasullu llah!!!

Just kidding.

What do you mean I can't??

fuelair · 5th January 2018, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by baron

Mohammed was a fraudulent, warmongering pederast.

Yes, yes he was - and his little fake god too!!!!!

fuelair · 5th January 2018, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

If the qu'ran is so perfect, why does it need human explanation? There should be no need for Imams or all their additions.

of course, one does wonder why you are posting here. Where in your holy book is the usage of electricity, building of computers and the software architecture of the internet described, and if it is not there, clearly it is a godless invention you should not use.

Same goes for the bible!!!!!

Craig4 · 5th January 2018, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The people of Noah had gone too far in evil.

So they were warned and destroyed.

And it's not known where. But I understood from the verses, they were on a island.

Even the little children? Were they evil? What did they do to deserve to be drowned with their parents?

Thor 2 · 5th January 2018, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

Even the little children? Were they evil? What did they do to deserve to be drowned with their parents?

The Abrahamic God believers always have a problem with this question, but I have figured it out.

The little children were going to be evil when they grew up ....... how's that Emre? Have I got it right?

Craig B · 6th January 2018, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Noah Flood was regional.

It was only for the people of Noah.

Probably Noah and the community lived on an island.

And only the people of Noah were destroyed.

Allah punishes badmen only.

Only the Qur'an tells the truth.

The Qur'an clearly states that the Flood was regional.

The Torah states it was world wide. A regional flood makes no sense, in the mythical story.

Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

How can destroying man on the face of the Earth happen on one island? Rubbish. The story is imaginary anyway, and needs no rational explanation. God should have said to Muhammad: this story is false - an ancient myth. But Muhammad preached the same nonsense that he found in his existing sources of inspiration, Jewish and Christian doctrines.

Lukraak_Sisser · 6th January 2018, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Same goes for the bible!!!!!

Of course, but the OP specifically stated in this (and other similar threads) that the Qu'ran is superior to the bible because it is a Great Big Book of Everything!

Of course, I doubt he will answer, the same way he won't answer why Allah wants Muslims to starve during Ramadan if they live above the pole circles in polar winter.
Or why Allah decided not to include an explanation of viruses and bacteria and their remedies.
Or why Allah did not include the human genetic code and how to read it.
Or how to achieve flight.
Or electricity.
Or steam power

etc etc.

4th January 2018, 05:56 PM	#1
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah Examples: Quran 50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us. Quran 7:40 Those who have denied Our signs, and reacted to them with arrogance, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals. 1- God is not tired. 2- Not rich people, the disbelievers/bad peoples will go to hell.

4th January 2018, 06:00 PM	#5
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4th January 2018, 06:17 PM	#7
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 23,499	What a load. It seems allah is just as inept and useless as the judeo-christian god thing.
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4th January 2018, 06:28 PM	#8
Mark F Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,742	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Examples: Quran 50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us. Quran 7:40 Those who have denied Our signs, and reacted to them with arrogance, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals. 1- God is not tired. 2- Not rich people, the disbelievers/bad peoples will go to hell. So,... how can the word of God have errors that require correction?
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4th January 2018, 07:31 PM	#9
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 32,529	Originally Posted by Mark F So,... how can the word of God have errors that require correction? This sounds arrogant. But the God of Torah, Bible, Quran is a moron. I'm not 100 percent sure that there isn't a God/Creator. Nevertheless, the one thing I do believe with 100 percent certainty is that if there is such a powerful being that created the universe, it wouldn't be this petty, cruel, sexist, absurd, pathetically moronic being portrayed in these nonsense books.
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4th January 2018, 05:57 PM	#2
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	Quran 43:71 They will be served with golden trays and cups, and they will find everything the self desires and the eyes wish for, and you will abide therein forever. There are all sorts of blessings in Paradise, including marriage, eating and drinking.

4th January 2018, 05:58 PM	#3
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe Heavens = universes The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model. But it is not infinite. Seven universes, for example. Other universes have planets too. 65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything. Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch. 21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this. 39:67 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.

4th January 2018, 05:59 PM	#4
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	The Noah Flood was regional. It was only for the people of Noah. Probably Noah and the community lived on an island. And only the people of Noah were destroyed. Allah punishes badmen only. Only the Qur'an tells the truth. The Qur'an clearly states that the Flood was regional.

4th January 2018, 06:03 PM	#6
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	"Pharaoh is a title given to Egyptian rulers in the New Kingdom (not before). For centuries it was thought that all Egyptian rulers were referred to as Pharaohs. Actually the Christian Bible insists that Abraham and Joseph interacted with Pharaohs. However modern discoveries show that this cannot be true. Pharaoh is a title given to rulers in the Egyptian New Kingdom, not before. So there were no Pharaohs at the time of Abraham or Joseph. They were just kings. But the Quran didn't do this mistake. The Quran correctly addressed the ruler at the time of Joseph as King, and correctly addressed the ruler at the time of Moses as Pharaoh. The Egyptian ruler at time of Joseph was a king: [Quran 12:52] The king said, "Bring him to me, and I will reserve him for myself." And when he spoke to him, he said, "This day you are with us established and secure." The Egyptian ruler at time of Moses was a Pharaoh: [Quran 40:26[ Pharaoh said, "Let me kill Moses, and let him appeal to his Lord. I fear he may change your religion, or spread disorder in the land." http://www.speed-light.info/miracles...an/pharaoh.htm

4th January 2018, 08:18 PM	#10
Loss Leader I would save the receptionist. Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 28,282	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Examples: Quran 50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us. As someone who was raised Muslim, I can say with perfect confidence that Allah's behavior is that of a mean, spiteful and exceedingly forgetful fool.
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Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,408	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Examples: Quran 50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us. Quran 7:40 Those who have denied Our signs, and reacted to them with arrogance, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals. 1- God is not tired. 2- Not rich people, the disbelievers/bad peoples will go to hell. Two examples of plagiarism from the bible in your post. Firstly the creation myth of heaven and earth being created in six days is directly stolen from the bible, and since the heavens and earth took billions of years to create both the bible and Quran are wrong. And secondly, and more insulting to Jesus, the phrase a camel passing through the eye of a needle is directly stolen from Jesus story that a rich man cannot get into the kingdom of heaven. But Jesus words are taken and used out of context.
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5th January 2018, 04:37 AM	#13
MikeG Now. Do it now. Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 24,804	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The Noah Flood was regional. It was only for the people of Noah. Probably Noah and the community lived on an island. And only the people of Noah were destroyed. Allah punishes badmen only. Only the Qur'an tells the truth. The Qur'an clearly states that the Flood was regional. What makes you think that we've any interest in your preaching? Personally, the more you seagull us with preachy crap, the less likely I am to take any notice of what you have to say, and the less sympathy I have for those who follow your religion. In other words, your current posting style is doing you and your religion harm, not good.
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5th January 2018, 04:38 AM	#14
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,408	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Quran 43:71 They will be served with golden trays and cups, and they will find everything the self desires and the eyes wish for, and you will abide therein forever. There are all sorts of blessings in Paradise, including marriage, eating and drinking. Yes, I have read the stupid rotten Quran, and it says heaven is where people will lay on couches by rivers of wine where the fruit hangs low, being waited on by wide eyed youths. The sort of heaven that only dusty old desert Arabs would dream of. Muhammad promises a ridiculous heaven to Arabs that will fight his battles for him, and a burning hell for those that will not.
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,408	__________________ You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy

5th January 2018, 04:43 AM	#15
Porpoise of Life Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,950	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Quran 43:71 They will be served with golden trays and cups, and they will find everything the self desires and the eyes wish for, and you will abide therein forever. There are all sorts of blessings in Paradise, including marriage, eating and drinking. Do people poop in Paradise, and is there plumbing up there? Or does everyone just crap where they stand like animals?

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5th January 2018, 04:56 AM	#17
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,408	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The Noah Flood was regional. It was only for the people of Noah. Probably Noah and the community lived on an island. And only the people of Noah were destroyed. Allah punishes badmen only. Only the Qur'an tells the truth. The Qur'an clearly states that the Flood was regional. What did Noah need with two of every kind of animal if the flood was only local? See Quran 11.40 This is just another story stolen from the bible, and it is nothing but a myth.
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,408	__________________ You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy

5th January 2018, 05:28 AM	#18
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	Originally Posted by Scorpion What did Noah need with two of every kind of animal if the flood was only local? See Quran 11.40 . Those who claim that the Noah's Flood covers the whole world are trying to embrace the idea of collecting couples from every living thing. But there are samples from the animals in that area described here. If Someone says you "collect all the apples" ,this is mean in your around, not the whole world's apples, but the places you are in. Likewise, here, too, does not pass from all the animals in the world and is the place where Noah is mentioned. Couples gathered from the land in the area. Read my Turkish article: http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...k-topluma.html

5th January 2018, 05:29 AM	#19
Andy_Ross Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 45,532	Hang about, haven't we just done all this?

5th January 2018, 05:36 AM	#20
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	Christianity is a pagan. So, Christianity has pagan Paradise perspective. Like Spiritualism (no sex, eating ...). Paganism thinks people will be gods in Paradise . (heaven is universe not paradise). But Quran gives true paradise perspective.

5th January 2018, 05:38 AM	#21
Porpoise of Life Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,950	How does that work? God supposedly created the flood to wipe out all evil people who had rejected him. Were all evil people located in the Middle East? Did all the other people (From Europe, Africa, most of Asia, the Americas) in Noah's day worship Allah? Is God so limited he couldn't see beyond the Levant? Was he powerless to murder those people who disobeyed him, but who lived too far from the Eufrates? Your 'solution' only raises further inconsistencies.
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5th January 2018, 06:08 AM	#22
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 14,528	Originally Posted by Mark F So,... how can the word of God have errors that require correction? Seconded! Any God that would need flawed humans to correct that God is obviously not a God at all.
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5th January 2018, 06:27 AM	#23
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Read my Turkish article: http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...k-topluma.html Stop spamming your Christian missionary garbage. You're as a Muslim as The Man Who Counted.
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5th January 2018, 06:44 AM	#24
MikeG Now. Do it now. Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 24,804	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Christianity is a pagan. So, Christianity has pagan Paradise perspective. Like Spiritualism (no sex, eating ...). Paganism thinks people will be gods in Paradise . (heaven is universe not paradise). But Quran gives true paradise perspective. Stop preaching crap. You are spamming the forum with trite and meaningless babblings which not one single person here has any interest in whatever. What has this bollocks got to do with the subject of the thread, anyway?
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5th January 2018, 06:48 AM	#25
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,239	Originally Posted by Scorpion Two examples of plagiarism from the bible in your post. Firstly the creation myth of heaven and earth being created in six days is directly stolen from the bible, and since the heavens and earth took billions of years to create both the bible and Quran are wrong. And secondly, and more insulting to Jesus, the phrase a camel passing through the eye of a needle is directly stolen from Jesus story that a rich man cannot get into the kingdom of heaven. But Jesus words are taken and used out of context. You meant "from the Torah"? You know those books that the Christian Bible plagiarized?
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5th January 2018, 08:25 AM	#26
Bikewer Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 13,215	Originally Posted by MikeG Stop preaching crap. You are spamming the forum with trite and meaningless babblings which not one single person here has any interest in whatever. What has this bollocks got to do with the subject of the thread, anyway? Seconded. Do you really think anyone here, on a skeptical and mostly atheist forum, is going to be converted to Islam by your nonsense?

5th January 2018, 08:46 AM	#27
The Greater Fool Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 4,404	Originally Posted by Darat You meant "from the Torah"? You know those books that the Christian Bible plagiarized? Is not the Torah included within the Bible? [ETA] Wait, the Torah is not in the bible, it is separate. But the creation story is in the Bible, which I guess got it from the Torah [ETAA] which got it from that older story by... Gilgamesh?. It's all so confusing...
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5th January 2018, 09:05 AM	#28
Porpoise of Life Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,950	Originally Posted by The Greater Fool Is not the Torah included within the Bible? [ETA] Wait, the Torah is not in the bible, it is separate. But the creation story is in the Bible, which I guess got it from the Torah [ETAA] which got it from that older story by... Gilgamesh?. It's all so confusing... According to Christians, the Torah is part of the Bible. According to the Jews, the Christians took the Torah, added nonsense chapters and called it the Bible. Just like Muslims have taken the Torah and New Testament, retconned and rewritten it to make the Quran. And like the Mormons wrote another book to add onto the Bible to claim that it was actually them that had the real truth about Alien God with his planets and wives. Taking the big dog in the yard's toys and claiming you are the only one who knows how to play with them appears to be a common strategy for stealing a little respectability for your new religion.

5th January 2018, 09:31 AM	#29
TX50 Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,951	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The Egyptian ruler at time of Joseph was a king: If you read the bible in the original Hebrew when it refers to the Egyptian ruler in the time of Abraham and Joseph, it also clearly uses the word "melek" (king). Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The Egyptian ruler at time of Moses was a Pharaoh: This depends on how you date the "exodus". Reputable biblical scholars put this [possibly fictional event] sometime in the 13th dynasty. Well before "pharaoh" was used as a title to refer to the Egyptian king's person. The term itself is first recorded in abour 2,500 BCE. This means the Qur'an is in error.
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5th January 2018, 09:40 AM	#30
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 32,393	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The Noah Flood was regional. It was only for the people of Noah. Probably Noah and the community lived on an island. And only the people of Noah were destroyed. Now you're the one inventing things.
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5th January 2018, 02:42 PM	#31
Lukraak_Sisser Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,134	If the qu'ran is so perfect, why does it need human explanation? There should be no need for Imams or all their additions. of course, one does wonder why you are posting here. Where in your holy book is the usage of electricity, building of computers and the software architecture of the internet described, and if it is not there, clearly it is a godless invention you should not use.

5th January 2018, 03:15 PM	#32
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	No imams in Islam. Only the Qur'an is source of religion. http://quranic.org/

5th January 2018, 03:19 PM	#33
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	Originally Posted by Porpoise of Life How does that work? God supposedly created the flood to wipe out all evil people who had rejected him . The people of Noah had gone too far in evil. So they were warned and destroyed. And it's not known where. But I understood from the verses, they were on a island.
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5th January 2018, 05:46 PM	#34
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr No imams in Islam. Only the Qur'an is source of religion. http://quranic.org/ I'm convinced. La ilaha ill allah, Muhammadur Rasullu llah!!! Just kidding. What do you mean I can't??
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5th January 2018, 06:00 PM	#35
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by baron Mohammed was a fraudulent, warmongering pederast. Yes, yes he was - and his little fake god too!!!!!
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