[Merged] The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah - Page 10

Scorpion · 21st January 2018, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by abaddon

This thread is on the topic of Imre's crank beliefs not yours.

Yea, and I was on topic until you asked me a question. In any case I seem to be the only one on this thread that does more than simply ridicule Emre's posts.

abaddon · 21st January 2018, 01:19 PM

Have some more, why not?

Ironically, they met in church.

aleCcowaN · 21st January 2018, 03:19 PM

How much of the Quran is Muhammad's? 20%? 30%? I mean because the huge confusion was edited in times of the third caliph so little is left from what Muhammad really dictated.

The Muslim world seems to lack its Thomas Jefferson to write "The Faith and Moral Teachings of Muhammad ibn ʿAbdullāh of Mecca" as he did with Jesus of Nazareth.

Those books are all the holly they can be, describing the lives of Saint Jesus and Saint Muhammad.

Hlafordlaes · 22nd January 2018, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Thor 2

The Christians used to have the authority of law not that long ago I might add. A reminder of this might be the trial of Joan of Ark.

Do you have a link to that Texas judge story?

Originally Posted by abaddon

Yup.

Wow. Glue-sniffing madman. And a well-respected judge in his community. Egads. They ought to vacate every single judgment ever made by this woomaster, especially all those he's certainly convicted "because black/liberal/has-a-working-brain/showed tits."

Crossbow · 22nd January 2018, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Trinity: a Polytheistic Fiction

4:171 O people of the book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God's messenger and the fulfillment of His word to Mary, and an inspiration from Him. So acknowledge God and His messengers, and do not say, "Trinity." Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker.

6:100 Yet, they made partners with God from among the Jinn, while He had created them. They invented for Him sons and daughters without having any knowledge! Be He glorified and far above what they describe.

5:73 Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution.

19:35 God was never to take a son, be He glorified. If He decrees a matter, then He simply says to it: "Be," and it is.

What a load of crap.

Just because you happen to believe that your fairy book is better than all of the other fairy books, that belief does not make your fairy book any more valid than those other fairy books.

Emre_1974tr · 22nd January 2018, 12:58 PM

ACCORDING TO THE QURAN , ALCOHOL IS NOT HARAM, IT IS "CONDITIONAL HALAL"

As the followers of the Quran know, only God can determine what is halal (lawful) or haram (forbidden).

16/116*And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe: "This is lawful, and that is forbidden;" that you seek to invent lies about God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.

16/35*And those who were polytheists said: "If God had wished, we would not have served a thing other than Him; neither us nor our fathers; nor would we have made unlawful anything other than from Him." Those before them did exactly the same thing; so are the messengers required to do anything except deliver with clarity?

And the forbidden/haram food and drink (the blood) are announced explicitly by our Lord in His book:

5/3*Forbidden to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue, and what has been slaughtered on altars, and what you divide through arrows of chance. This is vile. Today the rejecters have given up from your system, so do not be concerned by them, but be concerned by Me. Today I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have approved submission as the system for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.

However, interpreters of the Quran hide our Lord's message by distorting the meaning of a verse (5/93), thus they can add other harams to the God's list. There is a passage in surah Al-Ma'idah about "hamr" which is translated as either alcohol, intoxicants or wine. This passage is between the verses 90-93 and the next verse 94 starts a new topic.
5/90*O you who believe, alcohol, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tainted - by the work of the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be successful.

5/91*The devil only wants to cause strife between you through alcohol and gambling, and to repel you away from remembering God and from the contact prayer. Will you be deterred?

5/92*And obey God and obey the messenger, and be aware. If you turn away then know that it is the duty of Our messenger to deliver clearly.

5/93*There is no sin upon those who believe and do good works for what they eat* if they are aware and believe and do good works, then they are aware and believe, then they are aware and do good; God loves the good doers.

*The verb "ta'ima" (translated as what they eat above) applies to eating and drinking (taste) in Arabic and the 93rd verse of surah 5 shows that the drinking hamr (alcohol or wine) or eating beef marinated in wine is NOT haram for "believers" as long as they avoid the work of Satan.

To be more specific, (illicit) sex is forbidden, but the exception is lawful sex. Having lawful sex with spouses is halal for believers. Just like sex is "conditional halal" for believers, drinking alcohol is conditional halal for believers as long as they meet the criteria stated in 5/93 and are able to avoid the work of Satan.

Some interpretors distort the true meaning of this verse (5/93) and dare to make some additions to the God's words in brackets. They translate the sentence in past tense (what they have tasted/ they tasted) and claim that the word "taste" refers to a time period before the prohibition of alcohol. However, this is obviously mistranslation because what is haram (shirk) for believers is describing something as haram before the God prohibits it. In other words, mistranslating this verse referring to the past leads to logical fallacy in the Quran.

To summarize, as is stated in 16/67 the alcohol, the substance itself, is good and lawful provision:

16/67*And from the fruits of the palm trees and the grapes you make strong drink and a good provision. In that is a sign for a people who comprehend.

16/114*So eat from what God has provided you, that which is good and lawful, and be thankful for the blessing of God, if it is indeed He whom you serve.

16/115*He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.

What is illicit in "hamr" (alcohol or wine) for believers (2/219) is explained in 5/91 and it is not forbidden as long as one can meet the criteria in 5/93.

7/32*Say: "Who has made unlawful the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say: "They are meant for those who believe during this worldly life, and they will be exclusive for them on the Day of Resurrection." It is such that We explain the revelations for those who know.

Because "hamr" is a nice provision in here, the public of paradise will be served hamr in the hereafter. (47/15)

Peace

fagin · 22nd January 2018, 01:34 PM

Who really gives a ****?

Lukraak_Sisser · 22nd January 2018, 01:41 PM

Why is your god so obsessed with what one eats, yet does not explain how antibiotics work?

Besides, if it is bad for humans, why not just make it poison?

The taste of bacon alone is enough to invalidate any religion forbidding eating pigs.

aleCcowaN · 22nd January 2018, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

ACCORDING TO THE QURAN , ALCOHOL IS NOT HARAM, IT IS "CONDITIONAL HALAL"

That explains a lot of your doing here.

Salame

Originally Posted by fagin

Who really gives a ****?

The legion of imaginary lurkers that according to Emre are following this thread

.

He mixed up software glitch with audience.

Thor 2 · 23rd January 2018, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes

Wow. Glue-sniffing madman. And a well-respected judge in his community. Egads. They ought to vacate every single judgment ever made by this woomaster, especially all those he's certainly convicted "because black/liberal/has-a-working-brain/showed tits."

One has to wonder how many countries in the World would tolerate this kind of behaviour of a judge.

I imagine Emre would be quite cool with it, and if the country in question observed Sharia Law, then the divine messages related by the judge would be welcomed.

Has anyone heard of something like this happening in countries like Saudi Arabia for example?

Emre_1974tr · 24th January 2018, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Trinity: a Polytheistic Fiction

4:171 O people of the book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God's messenger and the fulfillment of His word to Mary, and an inspiration from Him. So acknowledge God and His messengers, and do not say, "Trinity." Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker.

6:100 Yet, they made partners with God from among the Jinn, while He had created them. They invented for Him sons and daughters without having any knowledge! Be He glorified and far above what they describe.

5:73 Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution.

19:35 God was never to take a son, be He glorified. If He decrees a matter, then He simply says to it: "Be," and it is.

Quran 21:43 Or do they have gods that will protect them from Us? They cannot help themselves, nor can they be protected from Us.

The verse tells one of the reasons for the to attribute a partner to (God) of the villains; To seek refuge in the imaginary gods to protect themselves from God...

For example, seeing Jesus as a partner in God is a kind of.

Bad people seek refuge in the partners to escape from God.

halleyscomet · 24th January 2018, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran 21:43 Or do they have gods that will protect them from Us? They cannot help themselves, nor can they be protected from Us.

The verse tells one of the reasons for the to attribute a partner to (God) of the villains; To seek refuge in the imaginary gods to protect themselves from God...

For example, seeing Jesus as a partner in God is a kind of.

Bad people seek refuge in the partners to escape from God.

You still don’t get the nature of this forum, do you?

Crossbow · 25th January 2018, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran 21:43 Or do they have gods that will protect them from Us? They cannot help themselves, nor can they be protected from Us.

The verse tells one of the reasons for the to attribute a partner to (God) of the villains; To seek refuge in the imaginary gods to protect themselves from God...

For example, seeing Jesus as a partner in God is a kind of.

Bad people seek refuge in the partners to escape from God.

And while you are at it ...

Do make sure to tell everyone that the angels discussed in your fairy book are real angels as opposed to the psuedo-angels that are discussed in the competing fairy books.

Emre_1974tr · 28th January 2018, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us

41:9 Say, "You are rejecting the One who created the earth in two days, and you set up equals with Him. This is the Lord of the worlds."

The age of the universe is three times that of the world.

***

41:11 Furthermore, He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."

(The world begins to be created)

41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

(In two days the world was created and the existing universes were arranged)

2:29 He is the One who created for you all that is in the earth. Moroever, He attended to the universe and made it seven heavens, and He is aware of all things.

41.10 about appreciation of the world's blessings, planning, regulate..

Quran 79:27 Are you a more powerful creation than the sky which He built?

Quran 79:28 He raised its height, and perfected it.

Quran 79:29 He covered its night and brought out its morning.

Quran 79:30 The land after that, He made it like an egg.

fagin · 28th January 2018, 04:47 PM

The yolks on you.

Scorpion · 29th January 2018, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran 79:30 The land after that, He made it like an egg.

That is a completely false translation. The Quran says nothing about an egg.

It says the earth is spread out. Meaning Muhammad thought the earth was flat.

Myriad · 29th January 2018, 08:09 AM

It could be like a fried egg. Sunny-side up.

Except at night, of course.

Emre_1974tr · 29th January 2018, 08:37 AM

Quran saying Earth is in egg shape.

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/

Jack by the hedge · 29th January 2018, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran saying Earth is in egg shape.

Since Earth isn't egg shaped, can we infer anything about the Quran's reliability?

abaddon · 29th January 2018, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran saying Earth is in egg shape.

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/

Earth is not egg shaped. Proof the koran is baloney.

Emre_1974tr · 29th January 2018, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

Since Earth isn't egg shaped, can we infer anything about the Quran's reliability?

Quran says the world is egg-shaped.

Not only the world, but the universes are geoidal.

33- O society of jinns and men, cross the diameters of the heavens
and the earth, if you have the ability, then pass beyond them. But you cannot,
unless you acquire an authorization.
(55- Gracious, 33)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...rth-and-space/

One day science will confirm it.

halleyscomet · 29th January 2018, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran says the world is egg-shaped.

So you're calling NASA a liar.

Crossbow · 29th January 2018, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran saying Earth is in egg shape.

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/

You are wrong again.

To quote from a famous movie:

"And that, my liege, is how we know the world to be banana shaped."

Jack by the hedge · 29th January 2018, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran says the world is egg-shaped.

That is not what your link says. Can we infer anything about your reliability?

abaddon · 29th January 2018, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran says the world is egg-shaped.

Not only the world, but the universes are geoidal.

33- O society of jinns and men, cross the diameters of the heavens
and the earth, if you have the ability, then pass beyond them. But you cannot,
unless you acquire an authorization.
(55- Gracious, 33)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...rth-and-space/

One day science will confirm it.

We agree then. The quran is flat out wrong.

Also, jinn do not exist.

Scorpion · 30th January 2018, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran saying Earth is in egg shape.

No it bloody well isn't. The only English translation I know of that says the earth is egg shaped is the Rashad Khalifa translation, which is know to be fabricated. All the other translations I know of say the earth is spread out like a carpet. Meaning Muhammad thought the earth was flat.

Emre_1974tr · 30th January 2018, 01:58 PM

It doesn't matter if there's no English translation.

The original of the verse says the world is shaped like an egg.

Besides, the translation I gave is not Rashad's.

At least three English translations say that.

The Qur'an clearly says that the world is shaped as an egg, as well as in many verses.

halleyscomet · 30th January 2018, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

It doesn't matter if there's no English translation.

The original of the verse says the world is shaped like an egg.

Besides, the translation I gave is not Rashad's.

At least three English translations say that.

The Qur'an clearly says that the world is shaped as an egg, as well as in many verses.

Which means the Qur'an is wrong about the shape of the Earth.

Scorpion · 30th January 2018, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

It doesn't matter if there's no English translation.

The original of the verse says the world is shaped like an egg.

Besides, the translation I gave is not Rashad's.

At least three English translations say that.

The Qur'an clearly says that the world is shaped as an egg, as well as in many verses.

All the main translations say at surah 79.30 that the earth is spread out.

There are only a few obscure translations that say the earth is egg shaped.

http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/79/30/default.htm

Hercules56 · 30th January 2018, 05:29 PM

God may be perfect but the humans who worship him sure do make him sound like an imperfect fool.

Andy_Ross · 30th January 2018, 05:45 PM

Wouldn't it depend on the shape of the egg??

hurdygurdy · 31st January 2018, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

It doesn't matter if there's no English translation.

The original of the verse says the world is shaped like an egg.

Besides, the translation I gave is not Rashad's.

At least three English translations say that.

The Qur'an clearly says that the world is shaped as an egg, as well as in many verses.

Then your book is wrong again. Nine centuries before the Qur'an was written, Eratosthenes proved the Earth is spherical, not shaped like an egg.

Jack by the hedge · 31st January 2018, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by hurdygurdy

Then your book is wrong again. Nine centuries before the Qur'an was written, Eratosthenes proved the Earth is spherical, not shaped like an egg,.

To be fair, Eratosthenes might have measured the big end, which is roughly spherical. The southern hemisphere might be the pointy end.

Now this would mean that Australia, for example, would be several hundred miles further from the earth's centre of gravity than we northerners are, and therefore it would be above the atmosphere.

Perhaps some of our southern members could confirm whether in fact it's true that Australia has no atmosphere?

Emre_1974tr · 31st January 2018, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

It doesn't matter if there's no English translation.

The original of the verse says the world is shaped like an egg.

Besides, the translation I gave is not Rashad's.

At least three English translations say that.

The Qur'an clearly says that the world is shaped as an egg, as well as in many verses.

Edip-
79:30 The land after that, He made it like an egg.

Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
79:30 And after that, He made the earth shoot out from the Cosmic Nebula and spread it out oval (flattened at the poles – an oblate spheroid).

Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament)
79:30 He made the earth egg-shaped.,

....................

Meanwhile, think of the eggs lying on the side, not the upright.

Especially think about ostrich eggs.

calebprime · 31st January 2018, 05:17 AM

Is miracle!

jond · 31st January 2018, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by calebprime

Is miracle!

It’s deja vu all over again!

Jack by the hedge · 31st January 2018, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

... think of the eggs lying on the side, not the upright.

Especially think about ostrich eggs.

Okay. I read that a typical ostrich egg is 13cm wide and 15 cm long.

If the earth had similar proportions to an ostrich egg then one side of the planet would have a bulge that stuck out almost 1,000km into space.

Does the Quran provide any clues about where on the earth we might find this colossal mountain continent because I don't think anyone's spotted it yet.

fagin · 31st January 2018, 06:55 AM

Maybe he means a fried egg? Flat with a lump in the middle.

Excellent with bacon.

halleyscomet · 31st January 2018, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Edip-
79:30 The land after that, He made it like an egg.

Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
79:30 And after that, He made the earth shoot out from the Cosmic Nebula and spread it out oval (flattened at the poles – an oblate spheroid).

Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament)
79:30 He made the earth egg-shaped.,

....................

Meanwhile, think of the eggs lying on the side, not the upright.

Especially think about ostrich eggs.

hurdygurdy · 31st January 2018, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Edip-
79:30 The land after that, He made it like an egg.

Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
79:30 And after that, He made the earth shoot out from the Cosmic Nebula and spread it out oval (flattened at the poles – an oblate spheroid).

Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament)
79:30 He made the earth egg-shaped.,

....................

Meanwhile, think of the eggs lying on the side, not the upright.

Especially think about ostrich eggs.

Even if it were true, what's the point? As I said, Eratosthenes proved the real shape of the Earth many centuries before the Qur'an was written. You are doing a great job discrediting Islam.

21st January 2018, 01:12 PM	#361
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,408	Originally Posted by abaddon This thread is on the topic of Imre's crank beliefs not yours. Yea, and I was on topic until you asked me a question. In any case I seem to be the only one on this thread that does more than simply ridicule Emre's posts.
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,408	__________________ You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy

21st January 2018, 01:19 PM	#362
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 23,499	Have some more, why not? Ironically, they met in church.
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21st January 2018, 03:19 PM	#363
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	How much of the Quran is Muhammad's? 20%? 30%? I mean because the huge confusion was edited in times of the third caliph so little is left from what Muhammad really dictated. The Muslim world seems to lack its Thomas Jefferson to write "The Faith and Moral Teachings of Muhammad ibn ʿAbdullāh of Mecca" as he did with Jesus of Nazareth. Those books are all the holly they can be, describing the lives of Saint Jesus and Saint Muhammad.
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22nd January 2018, 06:43 AM	#364
Hlafordlaes Disorder of Kilopi Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: State of Flux Posts: 16,939	Originally Posted by Thor 2 The Christians used to have the authority of law not that long ago I might add. A reminder of this might be the trial of Joan of Ark. Do you have a link to that Texas judge story? Originally Posted by abaddon Yup. Wow. Glue-sniffing madman. And a well-respected judge in his community. Egads. They ought to vacate every single judgment ever made by this woomaster, especially all those he's certainly convicted "because black/liberal/has-a-working-brain/showed tits."
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22nd January 2018, 12:43 PM	#365
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 14,527	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Trinity: a Polytheistic Fiction 4:171 O people of the book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God's messenger and the fulfillment of His word to Mary, and an inspiration from Him. So acknowledge God and His messengers, and do not say, "Trinity." Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker. 6:100 Yet, they made partners with God from among the Jinn, while He had created them. They invented for Him sons and daughters without having any knowledge! Be He glorified and far above what they describe. 5:73 Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution. 19:35 God was never to take a son, be He glorified. If He decrees a matter, then He simply says to it: "Be," and it is. What a load of crap. Just because you happen to believe that your fairy book is better than all of the other fairy books, that belief does not make your fairy book any more valid than those other fairy books.
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22nd January 2018, 12:58 PM	#366
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,204	ACCORDING TO THE QURAN , ALCOHOL IS NOT HARAM, IT IS "CONDITIONAL HALAL" As the followers of the Quran know, only God can determine what is halal (lawful) or haram (forbidden). 16/116And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe: "This is lawful, and that is forbidden;" that you seek to invent lies about God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed. 16/35And those who were polytheists said: "If God had wished, we would not have served a thing other than Him; neither us nor our fathers; nor would we have made unlawful anything other than from Him." Those before them did exactly the same thing; so are the messengers required to do anything except deliver with clarity? And the forbidden/haram food and drink (the blood) are announced explicitly by our Lord in His book: 5/3Forbidden to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue, and what has been slaughtered on altars, and what you divide through arrows of chance. This is vile. Today the rejecters have given up from your system, so do not be concerned by them, but be concerned by Me. Today I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have approved submission as the system for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then God is Forgiving, Merciful. However, interpreters of the Quran hide our Lord's message by distorting the meaning of a verse (5/93), thus they can add other harams to the God's list. There is a passage in surah Al-Ma'idah about "hamr" which is translated as either alcohol, intoxicants or wine. This passage is between the verses 90-93 and the next verse 94 starts a new topic. 5/90O you who believe, alcohol, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tainted - by the work of the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be successful. 5/91The devil only wants to cause strife between you through alcohol and gambling, and to repel you away from remembering God and from the contact prayer. Will you be deterred? 5/92And obey God and obey the messenger, and be aware. If you turn away then know that it is the duty of Our messenger to deliver clearly. 5/93There is no sin upon those who believe and do good works for what they eat if they are aware and believe and do good works, then they are aware and believe, then they are aware and do good; God loves the good doers. The verb "ta'ima" (translated as what they eat above) applies to eating and drinking (taste) in Arabic and the 93rd verse of surah 5 shows that the drinking hamr (alcohol or wine) or eating beef marinated in wine is NOT haram for "believers" as long as they avoid the work of Satan. To be more specific, (illicit) sex is forbidden, but the exception is lawful sex. Having lawful sex with spouses is halal for believers. Just like sex is "conditional halal" for believers, drinking alcohol is conditional halal for believers as long as they meet the criteria stated in 5/93 and are able to avoid the work of Satan. Some interpretors distort the true meaning of this verse (5/93) and dare to make some additions to the God's words in brackets. They translate the sentence in past tense (what they have tasted/ they tasted) and claim that the word "taste" refers to a time period before the prohibition of alcohol. However, this is obviously mistranslation because what is haram (shirk) for believers is describing something as haram before the God prohibits it. In other words, mistranslating this verse referring to the past leads to logical fallacy in the Quran. To summarize, as is stated in 16/67 the alcohol, the substance itself, is good and lawful provision: 16/67And from the fruits of the palm trees and the grapes you make strong drink and a good provision. In that is a sign for a people who comprehend. 16/114So eat from what God has provided you, that which is good and lawful, and be thankful for the blessing of God, if it is indeed He whom you serve. 16/115He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then God is Forgiver, Merciful. What is illicit in "hamr" (alcohol or wine) for believers (2/219) is explained in 5/91 and it is not forbidden as long as one can meet the criteria in 5/93. 7/32*Say: "Who has made unlawful the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say: "They are meant for those who believe during this worldly life, and they will be exclusive for them on the Day of Resurrection." It is such that We explain the revelations for those who know. Because "hamr" is a nice provision in here, the public of paradise will be served hamr in the hereafter. (47/15) Peace

22nd January 2018, 01:34 PM	#367
fagin Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: As far away from casebro as possible. Posts: 7,070	Who really gives a ****?
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22nd January 2018, 01:41 PM	#368
Lukraak_Sisser Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,124	Why is your god so obsessed with what one eats, yet does not explain how antibiotics work? Besides, if it is bad for humans, why not just make it poison? The taste of bacon alone is enough to invalidate any religion forbidding eating pigs.

22nd January 2018, 03:51 PM	#369
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr ACCORDING TO THE QURAN , ALCOHOL IS NOT HARAM, IT IS "CONDITIONAL HALAL" That explains a lot of your doing here. Salame Originally Posted by fagin Who really gives a ****? The legion of imaginary lurkers that according to Emre are following this thread . He mixed up software glitch with audience.
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23rd January 2018, 01:43 PM	#370
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tiny town west of Brisbane. Posts: 7,174	Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes Wow. Glue-sniffing madman. And a well-respected judge in his community. Egads. They ought to vacate every single judgment ever made by this woomaster, especially all those he's certainly convicted "because black/liberal/has-a-working-brain/showed tits." One has to wonder how many countries in the World would tolerate this kind of behaviour of a judge. I imagine Emre would be quite cool with it, and if the country in question observed Sharia Law, then the divine messages related by the judge would be welcomed. Has anyone heard of something like this happening in countries like Saudi Arabia for example?
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24th January 2018, 03:59 PM	#371
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,204	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Trinity: a Polytheistic Fiction 4:171 O people of the book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God's messenger and the fulfillment of His word to Mary, and an inspiration from Him. So acknowledge God and His messengers, and do not say, "Trinity." Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker. 6:100 Yet, they made partners with God from among the Jinn, while He had created them. They invented for Him sons and daughters without having any knowledge! Be He glorified and far above what they describe. 5:73 Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution. 19:35 God was never to take a son, be He glorified. If He decrees a matter, then He simply says to it: "Be," and it is. Quran 21:43 Or do they have gods that will protect them from Us? They cannot help themselves, nor can they be protected from Us. The verse tells one of the reasons for the to attribute a partner to (God) of the villains; To seek refuge in the imaginary gods to protect themselves from God... For example, seeing Jesus as a partner in God is a kind of. Bad people seek refuge in the partners to escape from God.

24th January 2018, 05:40 PM	#372
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Quran 21:43 Or do they have gods that will protect them from Us? They cannot help themselves, nor can they be protected from Us. The verse tells one of the reasons for the to attribute a partner to (God) of the villains; To seek refuge in the imaginary gods to protect themselves from God... For example, seeing Jesus as a partner in God is a kind of. Bad people seek refuge in the partners to escape from God. You still don’t get the nature of this forum, do you?

25th January 2018, 10:50 AM	#373
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 14,527	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Quran 21:43 Or do they have gods that will protect them from Us? They cannot help themselves, nor can they be protected from Us. The verse tells one of the reasons for the to attribute a partner to (God) of the villains; To seek refuge in the imaginary gods to protect themselves from God... For example, seeing Jesus as a partner in God is a kind of. Bad people seek refuge in the partners to escape from God. And while you are at it ... Do make sure to tell everyone that the angels discussed in your fairy book are real angels as opposed to the psuedo-angels that are discussed in the competing fairy books.
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28th January 2018, 04:38 PM	#374
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,204	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr 50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us 41:9 Say, "You are rejecting the One who created the earth in two days, and you set up equals with Him. This is the Lord of the worlds." The age of the universe is three times that of the world. *** 41:11 Furthermore, He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly." (The world begins to be created) 41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable. (In two days the world was created and the existing universes were arranged) 2:29 He is the One who created for you all that is in the earth. Moroever, He attended to the universe and made it seven heavens, and He is aware of all things. 41.10 about appreciation of the world's blessings, planning, regulate.. Quran 79:27 Are you a more powerful creation than the sky which He built? Quran 79:28 He raised its height, and perfected it. Quran 79:29 He covered its night and brought out its morning. Quran 79:30 The land after that, He made it like an egg.

28th January 2018, 04:47 PM	#375
fagin Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: As far away from casebro as possible. Posts: 7,070	The yolks on you.
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29th January 2018, 08:01 AM	#376
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,408	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Quran 79:30 The land after that, He made it like an egg. That is a completely false translation. The Quran says nothing about an egg. It says the earth is spread out. Meaning Muhammad thought the earth was flat.
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29th January 2018, 08:09 AM	#377
Myriad The Clarity Is Devastating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Betwixt Posts: 20,552	It could be like a fried egg. Sunny-side up. Except at night, of course.
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29th January 2018, 08:37 AM	#378
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,204	Quran saying Earth is in egg shape. http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/

29th January 2018, 08:54 AM	#379
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 15,388	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Quran saying Earth is in egg shape. Since Earth isn't egg shaped, can we infer anything about the Quran's reliability?

29th January 2018, 09:15 AM	#380
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 23,499	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Quran saying Earth is in egg shape. http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/ Earth is not egg shaped. Proof the koran is baloney.
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29th January 2018, 10:32 AM	#381
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,204	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge Since Earth isn't egg shaped, can we infer anything about the Quran's reliability? Quran says the world is egg-shaped. Not only the world, but the universes are geoidal. 33- O society of jinns and men, cross the diameters of the heavens and the earth, if you have the ability, then pass beyond them. But you cannot, unless you acquire an authorization. (55- Gracious, 33) http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...rth-and-space/ One day science will confirm it.
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29th January 2018, 10:35 AM	#382
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Quran says the world is egg-shaped. So you're calling NASA a liar.

29th January 2018, 10:40 AM	#383
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 14,527	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Quran saying Earth is in egg shape. http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/ You are wrong again. To quote from a famous movie: "And that, my liege, is how we know the world to be banana shaped."
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29th January 2018, 11:15 AM	#384
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 15,388	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Quran says the world is egg-shaped. That is not what your link says. Can we infer anything about your reliability?

29th January 2018, 11:46 AM	#385
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 23,499	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Quran says the world is egg-shaped. Not only the world, but the universes are geoidal. 33- O society of jinns and men, cross the diameters of the heavens and the earth, if you have the ability, then pass beyond them. But you cannot, unless you acquire an authorization. (55- Gracious, 33) http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...rth-and-space/ One day science will confirm it. We agree then. The quran is flat out wrong. Also, jinn do not exist.
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30th January 2018, 12:55 AM	#386
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,408	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Quran saying Earth is in egg shape. No it bloody well isn't. The only English translation I know of that says the earth is egg shaped is the Rashad Khalifa translation, which is know to be fabricated. All the other translations I know of say the earth is spread out like a carpet. Meaning Muhammad thought the earth was flat.
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30th January 2018, 01:58 PM	#387
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,204	It doesn't matter if there's no English translation. The original of the verse says the world is shaped like an egg. Besides, the translation I gave is not Rashad's. At least three English translations say that. The Qur'an clearly says that the world is shaped as an egg, as well as in many verses.

30th January 2018, 02:13 PM	#388
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr It doesn't matter if there's no English translation. The original of the verse says the world is shaped like an egg. Besides, the translation I gave is not Rashad's. At least three English translations say that. The Qur'an clearly says that the world is shaped as an egg, as well as in many verses. Which means the Qur'an is wrong about the shape of the Earth.

30th January 2018, 04:46 PM	#389
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,408	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr It doesn't matter if there's no English translation. The original of the verse says the world is shaped like an egg. Besides, the translation I gave is not Rashad's. At least three English translations say that. The Qur'an clearly says that the world is shaped as an egg, as well as in many verses. All the main translations say at surah 79.30 that the earth is spread out. There are only a few obscure translations that say the earth is egg shaped. http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/79/30/default.htm
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,408	__________________ You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy

30th January 2018, 05:29 PM	#390
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 6,262	God may be perfect but the humans who worship him sure do make him sound like an imperfect fool.
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30th January 2018, 05:45 PM	#391
Andy_Ross Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 45,318	Wouldn't it depend on the shape of the egg??
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31st January 2018, 03:46 AM	#392
hurdygurdy Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Spain Posts: 319	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr It doesn't matter if there's no English translation. The original of the verse says the world is shaped like an egg. Besides, the translation I gave is not Rashad's. At least three English translations say that. The Qur'an clearly says that the world is shaped as an egg, as well as in many verses. Then your book is wrong again. Nine centuries before the Qur'an was written, Eratosthenes proved the Earth is spherical, not shaped like an egg.
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31st January 2018, 03:58 AM	#393
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 15,388	Originally Posted by hurdygurdy Then your book is wrong again. Nine centuries before the Qur'an was written, Eratosthenes proved the Earth is spherical, not shaped like an egg,. To be fair, Eratosthenes might have measured the big end, which is roughly spherical. The southern hemisphere might be the pointy end. Now this would mean that Australia, for example, would be several hundred miles further from the earth's centre of gravity than we northerners are, and therefore it would be above the atmosphere. Perhaps some of our southern members could confirm whether in fact it's true that Australia has no atmosphere?

31st January 2018, 05:08 AM	#394
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,204	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr It doesn't matter if there's no English translation. The original of the verse says the world is shaped like an egg. Besides, the translation I gave is not Rashad's. At least three English translations say that. The Qur'an clearly says that the world is shaped as an egg, as well as in many verses. Edip- 79:30 The land after that, He made it like an egg. Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself) 79:30 And after that, He made the earth shoot out from the Cosmic Nebula and spread it out oval (flattened at the poles – an oblate spheroid). Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament) 79:30 He made the earth egg-shaped., .................... Meanwhile, think of the eggs lying on the side, not the upright. Especially think about ostrich eggs.
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31st January 2018, 05:17 AM	#395
calebprime Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,001	Is miracle!