[Merged] The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah - Page 2

Parsman · 6th January 2018, 05:00 AM

I'm waiting for "Noah 2 - This Time It's Personal" where god gets fed up with this flood business and lets Noah loose on the people of the world in a Challenger tank . Pretty sure that would fit in with the biblical spirit of mass murder but appeal more to the modern sophisticated audience

aleCcowaN · 6th January 2018, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The people of Noah had gone too far in evil.

So they were warned and destroyed.

And it's not known where. But I understood from the verses, they were on a island.

You no longer deceive me. You're a paid Christian missionary in disguise who is trying to tar Quran's and Muhammad's reputation. Your writing is absurd and pretty ignorant about Islam and clearly born in Christian thinking. And you're exclusively aiming Atheists from Western countries with it just to get everything from you ripped apart. No genuine Muslim, even a maniac, would do that.

Emre_1974tr · 6th January 2018, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Craig B

The Torah states it was world wide. A regional flood makes no sense, in the mythical story..

Forget to what says of false Torah/İnjil. Forget the myths.

Read the Quran and learn the truth.

Flood was for only people of Noah.

fuelair · 6th January 2018, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Christianity is a pagan.

So, Christianity has pagan Paradise perspective.

Like Spiritualism (no sex, eating ...).

Paganism thinks people will be gods in Paradise .

(heaven is universe not paradise).

But Quran gives true paradise perspective.

NO! quran just like bible - old, musty, full of fecal matter for the weak-minded and the inept!!!!

baron · 6th January 2018, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

You no longer deceive me. You're a paid Christian missionary in disguise who is trying to tar Quran's and Muhammad's reputation.

I don't think the reputation of a deceitful, mass-murdering, tyrannical paedophile can feasibly be a candidate for further tarring.

aleCcowaN · 6th January 2018, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by baron

I don't think the reputation of a deceitful, mass-murdering, tyrannical paedophile can feasibly be a candidate for further tarring.

If Emre is doing anything it is reinforcing the notion you've just described.

baron · 6th January 2018, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

If Emre is doing anything it is reinforcing the notion you've just described.

You could be right, I can't decipher his posts.

Emre_1974tr · 6th January 2018, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

Even the little children? ?

At Noah Flood.

1- God may have done it at a time when little children were not.

God sets everything.

Like , He knows who's going to be bad, and He creates all in same geography.

2- If there were little children, they went to Paradise.

And why did God give them this trouble? Because God know, if they were test forever what will they do.

aleCcowaN · 6th January 2018, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

At Noah Flood.

1- God may have done it at a time when little children were not.

God sets everything.

Like , He knows who's going to be bad, and He creates all in same geography.

2- If there were little children, they went to Paradise.

And why did God give them this trouble? Because God know, if they were test forever what will they do.

1) This godie works in Hollywood as a scriptwriter.
2) Every bottle wins a prize, just look into the cap.

You, paid Christian missionary, always trying to make Muslims look like the goofiest people on earth.

Craig B · 6th January 2018, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

At Noah Flood.

God sets everything.

Like , He knows who's going to be bad, and He creates all in same geography.

...

And why did God give them this trouble? Because God know, if they were test forever what will they do.

But according to this very story in the Torah God sent the Flood because he did NOT know in advance how wicked humans would be.

Genesis 6:5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”

That is why, in the story, God sent the flood!

Emre_1974tr · 6th January 2018, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Craig B

But according to this very story in the Torah God sent the Flood because he did NOT know in advance how wicked humans would be.[![/b]

False Torah, is wrong.

The Qur'an tells you the truth.

God knows everything.

He knows what we're going to do if we're tested forever.

This world life has two functions.

1- To confront with ourselves (test).

That way people understand why they go to paradise or hell.

2- Small penalties or rewards to taste in the world.

aleCcowaN · 6th January 2018, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

False Torah, is wrong.

The Qur'an tells you the truth.

God knows everything.

He knows what we're going to do if we're tested forever.

This world life has two functions.

1- To confront with ourselves (test).

That way people understand why they go to paradise or hell.

2- Small penalties or rewards to taste in the world.

That's just more propaganda to make people hate Islam...

fuelair · 6th January 2018, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

False Torah, is wrong.

The Qur'an tells you the truth.

He knows what we're going to do if we're tested forever.

This world life has two functions.

1- To confront with ourselves (test).

That way people understand why they go to paradise or hell.

2- Small penalties or rewards to taste in the world.

It is a load of crap (like the bibble).

NO, he does not exist and thus cannot do/say/whatever.

No, no paradise or hell or heaven - but you will never notice it!!!

Hungry81 · 6th January 2018, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

False Torah, is wrong.

The Qur'an tells you the truth.

God knows everything.

He knows what we're going to do if we're tested forever.

This world life has two functions.

1- To confront with ourselves (test).

That way people understand why they go to paradise or hell.

2- Small penalties or rewards to taste in the world.

If he knows what we are going to do he does not need to test us then does he?

Garrison · 6th January 2018, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Bikewer

Seconded. Do you really think anyone here, on a skeptical and mostly atheist forum, is going to be converted to Islam by your nonsense?

The Bible was a sequel, not plagiarism. It introduces a bunch of new characters and tries to retcon some of the plot holes in the original.

Craig4 · 6th January 2018, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

At Noah Flood.

1- God may have done it at a time when little children were not.

God sets everything.

Like , He knows who's going to be bad, and He creates all in same geography.

2- If there were little children, they went to Paradise.

And why did God give them this trouble? Because God know, if they were test forever what will they do.

Is this in writing somewhere or are you just desperate to get your sick child murdering god off the hook? Your god really is disgusting.

Emre_1974tr · 6th January 2018, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Hungry81

If he knows what we are going to do he does not need to test us then does he?

God doesn't need anything.

I said;

1- To confront with ourselves (test).

That way people understand why they go to paradise or hell.

So, Who peoples goes to hell can't appeal.

Innocence doesn't require evidence, but requires guilt.

2- Small penalties or rewards to taste in the world.

Some good people might have the wrong side. That's why there are small problems in the world.

Some of the bad people might have good sides. They can take their reward on earth.

Very good people can receive prizes in both worlds.

Everybody lives what you deserve.

My Turkish articles about fate and free will.

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...gur-irade.html

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...ine-cevap.html

Craig4 · 6th January 2018, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

False Torah, is wrong.

The Qur'an tells you the truth.

God knows everything.

He knows what we're going to do if we're tested forever.

This world life has two functions.

1- To confront with ourselves (test).

That way people understand why they go to paradise or hell.

2- Small penalties or rewards to taste in the world.

This world (by which I mean universe) exists for no human purpose. You're merely pushing a childish fairytale humanity should have grown out of years ago. Momo was a fraud and your Jesus had a gay S&M experience one Friday afternoon. Neither account offers anything of value as to how you should use the brief moment of your existence. Now stop pretending as if the rantings of a corrupt Bedouin and gay Jewish S&M fetishist mean anything.

Emre_1974tr · 6th January 2018, 06:02 PM

And;

Adam and his wife, Then other some people were also created from direct soil.

2:36 So, the devil tricked both and he brought both of them out from what they were in, and We said, "Descend, you are all enemies of one another. In the land shall be stability for you and luxury for a while."

2:37 Adam then received words from His Lord, so He forgave him; He is the Forgiver, the Compassionate.

2:38 We said, "Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."

The 36th verse refers to the descent of the first man Adam and his wife as a result of forbidding approach, while the 38th verse points out that some other people created for this world are also gathering together. Because 36th is already given orders, at 38th it is said again and again this time "all of you are going down" and also the future of the ambassadors.

According to the Qur'an, Adam and his wife have sinned together. The verses do not blame the woman.

***

Some other people, from Adam and his wife were created in the garden.

We were already created to test / confront ourselves.

We are not in the world because of Adam and his wife's fruit eating.

Craig4 · 6th January 2018, 06:09 PM

Might want to study up on your evolutionary biology, paleontology, paleo-archeology, and pretty much any other natural science you run across there sparky. The Adam and Eve story never happened. It's a myth, like Jason and the Argonauts or Michael Jackson's marriages. None of it is real. Nothing you're ranting about happened or matters.

fagin · 6th January 2018, 06:16 PM

Fruit is evil?

Craig4 · 6th January 2018, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by fagin

Fruit is evil?

Only if you believe in fairy stories.

fuelair · 6th January 2018, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

Might want to study up on your evolutionary biology, paleontology, paleo-archeology, and pretty much any other natural science you run across there sparky. The Adam and Eve story never happened. It's a myth, like Jason and the Argonauts or Michael Jackson's marriages. None of it is real. Nothing you're ranting about happened or matters.

Based purely on the posts that will take years,

and likely will not happen anyway!!!

Andy_Ross · 7th January 2018, 03:21 AM

So, god created men, he knew they were going to be evil so he let them live for a few dozen generations then killed them all in a flood?

Why does that make sense if he knew they were evil from the start and could have done something about it at the start?

baron · 7th January 2018, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

And;

Adam and his wife, Then other some people were also created from direct soil.

2:36 So, the devil tricked both and he brought both of them out from what they were in, and We said, "Descend, you are all enemies of one another. In the land shall be stability for you and luxury for a while."

2:37 Adam then received words from His Lord, so He forgave him; He is the Forgiver, the Compassionate.

2:38 We said, "Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."

The 36th verse refers to the descent of the first man Adam and his wife as a result of forbidding approach, while the 38th verse points out that some other people created for this world are also gathering together. Because 36th is already given orders, at 38th it is said again and again this time "all of you are going down" and also the future of the ambassadors.

According to the Qur'an, Adam and his wife have sinned together. The verses do not blame the woman.

***

Some other people, from Adam and his wife were created in the garden.

We were already created to test / confront ourselves.

We are not in the world because of Adam and his wife's fruit eating.

Please, stop. You'll never get me to hate Islam more than I do already, I doubt that's possible even in theory.

Hungry81 · 7th January 2018, 05:46 AM

If the "holy" books were catergorised, the Torah would be torture porn, the Bible would be the abriged sequel where the first act is a flashback, and the Quran would be the work of a sixth grader who skimed through the audio book of the bible, decided rewrite it with a new protaganist, and erroniously thought he was making it better.

fuelair · 7th January 2018, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Craig B

But according to this very story in the Torah God sent the Flood because he did NOT know in advance how wicked humans would be.

Genesis 6:5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”

That is why, in the story, God sent the flood!

But he didn't destroy them, a lot of them, but not all! Though he clearly did not follow the problem of population advance with insufficient numbers given the low numbers of the animals and undoable number of people left.

fuelair · 7th January 2018, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

God doesn't need anything.

I said;

1- To confront with ourselves (test).

That way people understand why they go to paradise or hell.

So, Who peoples goes to hell can't appeal.

Innocence doesn't require evidence, but requires guilt.

2- Small penalties or rewards to taste in the world.

Some good people might have the wrong side. That's why there are small problems in the world.

Some of the bad people might have good sides. They can take their reward on earth.

Very good people can receive prizes in both worlds.

Everybody lives what you deserve.

My Turkish articles about fate and free will.

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...gur-irade.html

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...ine-cevap.html

Cute kid as your pic. Hope he didn't/doesn't fall for this load you have deposited here!!!

Scorpion · 7th January 2018, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Forget to what says of false Torah/İnjil. Forget the myths.

Read the Quran and learn the truth.

Flood was for only people of Noah.

There is no truth in the Quran, and most of it is stolen from the bible.
The story of Noah's ark is nothing but a myth and the Quran copies most of the story from the bible. It says at verse 23.27 that Noah should gather two of every species. This is utter bunk , and if it were not then God is a maniac.

Emre_1974tr · 7th January 2018, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

So, god created men, he knew they were going to be evil so he let them live for a few dozen generations then killed them all in a flood?

Why does that make sense if he knew they were evil from the start and could have done something about it at the start?

The purpose of world life is to confront you with yourself.

To show themselves why the wicked will go to hell.

Emre_1974tr · 7th January 2018, 03:37 PM

Science will someday prove that the flood is local.

The Qur'an is always right.

Emre_1974tr · 7th January 2018, 03:50 PM

9:31 "They took their scholars and priests to be lords besides God, and the Messiah son of Mary, while they were only commanded to serve One god, there is no god but He, be He glorified for what they set up."

The Pagans think they believe in one God, but in reality they have faith in many gods.

Example; Hindus saying "333 in 1" and Christians saying "3 in 1".

Communism, idolatry, panteism, holy people, pain, spirits, poverty... These are from Paganism/Spiritualism.

7:32 Say, "Who has forbidden the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say, "They are in this worldly life for those who acknowledge, and they will be exclusive for them on the day of Resurrection" We thus explain the signs for those who know.

God's blessings are a gift to us.

But, such as Christianity and Hinduism, pagan teachings are to prohibit the blessings of the world and the hereafter.

Craig4 · 7th January 2018, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Science will someday prove that the flood is local.

The Qur'an is always right.

Dude are you serious? The whole region engaged in flood agriculture. There were local floods every year. Do you not read anything but fairy stories?

applecorped · 7th January 2018, 04:39 PM

The Quran burns good. As does most bibles.

Hungry81 · 7th January 2018, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

9:31 "They took their scholars and priests to be lords besides God, and the Messiah son of Mary, while they were only commanded to serve One god, there is no god but He, be He glorified for what they set up."

The Pagans think they believe in one God, but in reality they have faith in many gods.

Example; Hindus saying "333 in 1" and Christians saying "3 in 1".

Communism, idolatry, panteism, holy people, pain, spirits, poverty... These are from Paganism/Spiritualism.

7:32 Say, "Who has forbidden the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say, "They are in this worldly life for those who acknowledge, and they will be exclusive for them on the day of Resurrection" We thus explain the signs for those who know.

God's blessings are a gift to us.

But, such as Christianity and Hinduism, pagan teachings are to prohibit the blessings of the world and the hereafter.

Yeah and muslims idolise muhammed and the quran in breach of their faith. Otherwise you wouldnt get those fanatics that try (and sometimes succeed) to torture and murder whenever someone draws muhammed or damages/burns a quran. Hypocrites.

Cosmic Yak · 8th January 2018, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Science will someday prove that the flood is local.

The Qur'an is always right.

This would be much easier if
a) the Quran stated explicitly when and where the flood took place. Then we could dig there. Or,
b) Allah stopped hiding like he didn't exist, and just turn up and explain himself.

John Jones · 8th January 2018, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

At Noah Flood.

1- God may have done it at a time when little children were not.

God sets everything.

Like , He knows who's going to be bad, and He creates all in same geography.

.

Like Santa Claus?

Porpoise of Life · 8th January 2018, 04:31 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

At Noah Flood.

1- God may have done it at a time when little children were not.

God sets everything.

Like , He knows who's going to be bad, and He creates all in same geography.

2- If there were little children, they went to Paradise.

And why did God give them this trouble? Because God know, if they were test forever what will they do.

Emre: "Only use the Koran! Only the Koran has the truth! Everything else is heresy, even the hadiths!"

Other poster: "What about this inconsistency in the Koran?"

Emre: "Let me make up a story about how that could have gone..."

Sorry to break it to you, you're a heretic.

Emre_1974tr · 8th January 2018, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Hungry81

Yeah and muslims idolise muhammed and .

Not muslims. They are, Hadith / sectarian and Tasawwuf/sufism believers.

Real Islam is only in Quran

https://www.hipforums.com/forum/thre...-quran.223245/

aleCcowaN · 8th January 2018, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The purpose of world life is to confront you with yourself.

To show themselves why the wicked will go to hell.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Science will someday prove that the flood is local.

The Qur'an is always right.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

9:31 "They took their scholars and priests to be lords besides God, and the Messiah son of Mary, while they were only commanded to serve One god, there is no god but He, be He glorified for what they set up."

The Pagans think they believe in one God, but in reality they have faith in many gods.

Example; Hindus saying "333 in 1" and Christians saying "3 in 1".

Communism, idolatry, panteism, holy people, pain, spirits, poverty... These are from Paganism/Spiritualism.

7:32 Say, "Who has forbidden the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say, "They are in this worldly life for those who acknowledge, and they will be exclusive for them on the day of Resurrection" We thus explain the signs for those who know.

God's blessings are a gift to us.

But, such as Christianity and Hinduism, pagan teachings are to prohibit the blessings of the world and the hereafter.

It's obvious to me that you continue to impersonate a muslim in order to tar Islam with your tomfoolery.

Others have indulge you in your game, because it's all such low hanging fruit, but I find your posts to be a brainsore.

6th January 2018, 05:00 AM	#41
Parsman Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bonnie Scotland Posts: 976	I'm waiting for "Noah 2 - This Time It's Personal" where god gets fed up with this flood business and lets Noah loose on the people of the world in a Challenger tank . Pretty sure that would fit in with the biblical spirit of mass murder but appeal more to the modern sophisticated audience
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6th January 2018, 06:36 AM	#42
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The people of Noah had gone too far in evil. So they were warned and destroyed. And it's not known where. But I understood from the verses, they were on a island. You no longer deceive me. You're a paid Christian missionary in disguise who is trying to tar Quran's and Muhammad's reputation. Your writing is absurd and pretty ignorant about Islam and clearly born in Christian thinking. And you're exclusively aiming Atheists from Western countries with it just to get everything from you ripped apart. No genuine Muslim, even a maniac, would do that.
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6th January 2018, 06:49 AM	#43
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	Originally Posted by Craig B The Torah states it was world wide. A regional flood makes no sense, in the mythical story.. Forget to what says of false Torah/İnjil. Forget the myths. Read the Quran and learn the truth. Flood was for only people of Noah.
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6th January 2018, 06:52 AM	#44
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Christianity is a pagan. So, Christianity has pagan Paradise perspective. Like Spiritualism (no sex, eating ...). Paganism thinks people will be gods in Paradise . (heaven is universe not paradise). But Quran gives true paradise perspective. NO! quran just like bible - old, musty, full of fecal matter for the weak-minded and the inept!!!!
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6th January 2018, 07:34 AM	#45
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by aleCcowaN You no longer deceive me. You're a paid Christian missionary in disguise who is trying to tar Quran's and Muhammad's reputation. I don't think the reputation of a deceitful, mass-murdering, tyrannical paedophile can feasibly be a candidate for further tarring.
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6th January 2018, 07:51 AM	#46
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by baron I don't think the reputation of a deceitful, mass-murdering, tyrannical paedophile can feasibly be a candidate for further tarring. If Emre is doing anything it is reinforcing the notion you've just described.
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6th January 2018, 08:16 AM	#47
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by aleCcowaN If Emre is doing anything it is reinforcing the notion you've just described. You could be right, I can't decipher his posts.
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6th January 2018, 03:11 PM	#48
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	Originally Posted by Craig4 Even the little children? ? At Noah Flood. 1- God may have done it at a time when little children were not. God sets everything. Like , He knows who's going to be bad, and He creates all in same geography. 2- If there were little children, they went to Paradise. And why did God give them this trouble? Because God know, if they were test forever what will they do.
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6th January 2018, 03:24 PM	#49
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr At Noah Flood. 1- God may have done it at a time when little children were not. God sets everything. Like , He knows who's going to be bad, and He creates all in same geography. 2- If there were little children, they went to Paradise. And why did God give them this trouble? Because God know, if they were test forever what will they do. 1) This godie works in Hollywood as a scriptwriter. 2) Every bottle wins a prize, just look into the cap. You, paid Christian missionary, always trying to make Muslims look like the goofiest people on earth.
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6th January 2018, 03:26 PM	#50
Craig B Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 22,841	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr At Noah Flood. God sets everything. Like , He knows who's going to be bad, and He creates all in same geography. ... And why did God give them this trouble? Because God know, if they were test forever what will they do. But according to this very story in the Torah God sent the Flood because he did NOT know in advance how wicked humans would be. Genesis 6:5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” That is why, in the story, God sent the flood!
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6th January 2018, 03:40 PM	#51
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	Originally Posted by Craig B But according to this very story in the Torah God sent the Flood because he did NOT know in advance how wicked humans would be.[![/b] False Torah, is wrong. The Qur'an tells you the truth. God knows everything. He knows what we're going to do if we're tested forever. This world life has two functions. 1- To confront with ourselves (test). That way people understand why they go to paradise or hell. 2- Small penalties or rewards to taste in the world.

6th January 2018, 03:54 PM	#52
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr False Torah, is wrong. The Qur'an tells you the truth. God knows everything. He knows what we're going to do if we're tested forever. This world life has two functions. 1- To confront with ourselves (test). That way people understand why they go to paradise or hell. 2- Small penalties or rewards to taste in the world. That's just more propaganda to make people hate Islam...
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6th January 2018, 04:05 PM	#53
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr False Torah, is wrong. The Qur'an tells you the truth. He knows what we're going to do if we're tested forever. This world life has two functions. 1- To confront with ourselves (test). That way people understand why they go to paradise or hell. 2- Small penalties or rewards to taste in the world. It is a load of crap (like the bibble). NO, he does not exist and thus cannot do/say/whatever. No, no paradise or hell or heaven - but you will never notice it!!!
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6th January 2018, 04:28 PM	#54
Hungry81 Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,355	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr False Torah, is wrong. The Qur'an tells you the truth. God knows everything. He knows what we're going to do if we're tested forever. This world life has two functions. 1- To confront with ourselves (test). That way people understand why they go to paradise or hell. 2- Small penalties or rewards to taste in the world. If he knows what we are going to do he does not need to test us then does he?
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6th January 2018, 04:37 PM	#55
Garrison Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 6,043	Originally Posted by Bikewer Seconded. Do you really think anyone here, on a skeptical and mostly atheist forum, is going to be converted to Islam by your nonsense? The Bible was a sequel, not plagiarism. It introduces a bunch of new characters and tries to retcon some of the plot holes in the original.
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6th January 2018, 05:24 PM	#56
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 27,439	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr At Noah Flood. 1- God may have done it at a time when little children were not. God sets everything. Like , He knows who's going to be bad, and He creates all in same geography. 2- If there were little children, they went to Paradise. And why did God give them this trouble? Because God know, if they were test forever what will they do. Is this in writing somewhere or are you just desperate to get your sick child murdering god off the hook? Your god really is disgusting.

6th January 2018, 05:24 PM	#57
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	Originally Posted by Hungry81 If he knows what we are going to do he does not need to test us then does he? God doesn't need anything. I said; 1- To confront with ourselves (test). That way people understand why they go to paradise or hell. So, Who peoples goes to hell can't appeal. Innocence doesn't require evidence, but requires guilt. 2- Small penalties or rewards to taste in the world. Some good people might have the wrong side. That's why there are small problems in the world. Some of the bad people might have good sides. They can take their reward on earth. Very good people can receive prizes in both worlds. Everybody lives what you deserve. My Turkish articles about fate and free will. http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...gur-irade.html http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...ine-cevap.html

6th January 2018, 05:30 PM	#58
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 27,439	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr False Torah, is wrong. The Qur'an tells you the truth. God knows everything. He knows what we're going to do if we're tested forever. This world life has two functions. 1- To confront with ourselves (test). That way people understand why they go to paradise or hell. 2- Small penalties or rewards to taste in the world. This world (by which I mean universe) exists for no human purpose. You're merely pushing a childish fairytale humanity should have grown out of years ago. Momo was a fraud and your Jesus had a gay S&M experience one Friday afternoon. Neither account offers anything of value as to how you should use the brief moment of your existence. Now stop pretending as if the rantings of a corrupt Bedouin and gay Jewish S&M fetishist mean anything.

6th January 2018, 06:02 PM	#59
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	And; Adam and his wife, Then other some people were also created from direct soil. 2:36 So, the devil tricked both and he brought both of them out from what they were in, and We said, "Descend, you are all enemies of one another. In the land shall be stability for you and luxury for a while." 2:37 Adam then received words from His Lord, so He forgave him; He is the Forgiver, the Compassionate. 2:38 We said, "Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve." The 36th verse refers to the descent of the first man Adam and his wife as a result of forbidding approach, while the 38th verse points out that some other people created for this world are also gathering together. Because 36th is already given orders, at 38th it is said again and again this time "all of you are going down" and also the future of the ambassadors. According to the Qur'an, Adam and his wife have sinned together. The verses do not blame the woman. *** Some other people, from Adam and his wife were created in the garden. We were already created to test / confront ourselves. We are not in the world because of Adam and his wife's fruit eating.

6th January 2018, 06:09 PM	#60
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 27,439	Might want to study up on your evolutionary biology, paleontology, paleo-archeology, and pretty much any other natural science you run across there sparky. The Adam and Eve story never happened. It's a myth, like Jason and the Argonauts or Michael Jackson's marriages. None of it is real. Nothing you're ranting about happened or matters.

6th January 2018, 06:16 PM	#61
fagin Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: As far away from casebro as possible. Posts: 7,070	Fruit is evil?
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6th January 2018, 06:32 PM	#62
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 27,439	Originally Posted by fagin Fruit is evil? Only if you believe in fairy stories.

6th January 2018, 09:31 PM	#63
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by Craig4 Might want to study up on your evolutionary biology, paleontology, paleo-archeology, and pretty much any other natural science you run across there sparky. The Adam and Eve story never happened. It's a myth, like Jason and the Argonauts or Michael Jackson's marriages. None of it is real. Nothing you're ranting about happened or matters. Based purely on the posts that will take years, and likely will not happen anyway!!!
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7th January 2018, 03:21 AM	#64
Andy_Ross Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 45,532	So, god created men, he knew they were going to be evil so he let them live for a few dozen generations then killed them all in a flood? Why does that make sense if he knew they were evil from the start and could have done something about it at the start?

7th January 2018, 05:13 AM	#65
baron Guest Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,627	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr And; Adam and his wife, Then other some people were also created from direct soil. 2:36 So, the devil tricked both and he brought both of them out from what they were in, and We said, "Descend, you are all enemies of one another. In the land shall be stability for you and luxury for a while." 2:37 Adam then received words from His Lord, so He forgave him; He is the Forgiver, the Compassionate. 2:38 We said, "Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve." The 36th verse refers to the descent of the first man Adam and his wife as a result of forbidding approach, while the 38th verse points out that some other people created for this world are also gathering together. Because 36th is already given orders, at 38th it is said again and again this time "all of you are going down" and also the future of the ambassadors. According to the Qur'an, Adam and his wife have sinned together. The verses do not blame the woman. *** Some other people, from Adam and his wife were created in the garden. We were already created to test / confront ourselves. We are not in the world because of Adam and his wife's fruit eating. Please, stop. You'll never get me to hate Islam more than I do already, I doubt that's possible even in theory.
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7th January 2018, 05:46 AM	#66
Hungry81 Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,355	If the "holy" books were catergorised, the Torah would be torture porn, the Bible would be the abriged sequel where the first act is a flashback, and the Quran would be the work of a sixth grader who skimed through the audio book of the bible, decided rewrite it with a new protaganist, and erroniously thought he was making it better.
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7th January 2018, 10:53 AM	#67
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by Craig B But according to this very story in the Torah God sent the Flood because he did NOT know in advance how wicked humans would be. Genesis 6:5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” That is why, in the story, God sent the flood! But he didn't destroy them, a lot of them, but not all! Though he clearly did not follow the problem of population advance with insufficient numbers given the low numbers of the animals and undoable number of people left.
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7th January 2018, 10:57 AM	#68
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr God doesn't need anything. I said; 1- To confront with ourselves (test). That way people understand why they go to paradise or hell. So, Who peoples goes to hell can't appeal. Innocence doesn't require evidence, but requires guilt. 2- Small penalties or rewards to taste in the world. Some good people might have the wrong side. That's why there are small problems in the world. Some of the bad people might have good sides. They can take their reward on earth. Very good people can receive prizes in both worlds. Everybody lives what you deserve. My Turkish articles about fate and free will. http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...gur-irade.html http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...ine-cevap.html Cute kid as your pic. Hope he didn't/doesn't fall for this load you have deposited here!!!
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7th January 2018, 12:56 PM	#69
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,408	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Forget to what says of false Torah/İnjil. Forget the myths. Read the Quran and learn the truth. Flood was for only people of Noah. There is no truth in the Quran, and most of it is stolen from the bible. The story of Noah's ark is nothing but a myth and the Quran copies most of the story from the bible. It says at verse 23.27 that Noah should gather two of every species. This is utter bunk , and if it were not then God is a maniac.
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7th January 2018, 03:33 PM	#70
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop So, god created men, he knew they were going to be evil so he let them live for a few dozen generations then killed them all in a flood? Why does that make sense if he knew they were evil from the start and could have done something about it at the start? The purpose of world life is to confront you with yourself. To show themselves why the wicked will go to hell.

7th January 2018, 03:37 PM	#71
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	Science will someday prove that the flood is local. The Qur'an is always right.

7th January 2018, 03:50 PM	#72
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,207	9:31 "They took their scholars and priests to be lords besides God, and the Messiah son of Mary, while they were only commanded to serve One god, there is no god but He, be He glorified for what they set up." The Pagans think they believe in one God, but in reality they have faith in many gods. Example; Hindus saying "333 in 1" and Christians saying "3 in 1". Communism, idolatry, panteism, holy people, pain, spirits, poverty... These are from Paganism/Spiritualism. 7:32 Say, "Who has forbidden the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say, "They are in this worldly life for those who acknowledge, and they will be exclusive for them on the day of Resurrection" We thus explain the signs for those who know. God's blessings are a gift to us. But, such as Christianity and Hinduism, pagan teachings are to prohibit the blessings of the world and the hereafter.

7th January 2018, 04:10 PM	#73
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 27,439	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Science will someday prove that the flood is local. The Qur'an is always right. Dude are you serious? The whole region engaged in flood agriculture. There were local floods every year. Do you not read anything but fairy stories?

7th January 2018, 04:39 PM	#74
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	The Quran burns good. As does most bibles.
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7th January 2018, 08:39 PM	#75
Hungry81 Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,355	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr 9:31 "They took their scholars and priests to be lords besides God, and the Messiah son of Mary, while they were only commanded to serve One god, there is no god but He, be He glorified for what they set up." The Pagans think they believe in one God, but in reality they have faith in many gods. Example; Hindus saying "333 in 1" and Christians saying "3 in 1". Communism, idolatry, panteism, holy people, pain, spirits, poverty... These are from Paganism/Spiritualism. 7:32 Say, "Who has forbidden the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say, "They are in this worldly life for those who acknowledge, and they will be exclusive for them on the day of Resurrection" We thus explain the signs for those who know. God's blessings are a gift to us. But, such as Christianity and Hinduism, pagan teachings are to prohibit the blessings of the world and the hereafter. Yeah and muslims idolise muhammed and the quran in breach of their faith. Otherwise you wouldnt get those fanatics that try (and sometimes succeed) to torture and murder whenever someone draws muhammed or damages/burns a quran. Hypocrites.
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