Merged: The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah

[aleCcowaN]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

You see, according to the Qur'an, the universe is three times the world.

You see anything! The universe is much bigger than that.

You are posting blunder after blunder. You should be ashamed of yourself. You're much probably posting "under the effect".

[The Big Dog]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

You see, according to the Qur'an, the universe is three times the world.

The Koran says that claim is false:

“He set on the [earth] mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four days, in accordance with [the needs of] those who seek [sustenance].”

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Edited by zooterkin:

<SNIP> Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.

Just like your stupid, little, stoner, pervert Mohamed. He was a liar too. Mo Mo was a such a vile little creature.

[aleCcowaN]

Emre is twisting the quran to accomodate his stupid notions.

41.10 And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask.
41.11 Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly."
41.12 And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

And other version are alike.

It's clear the quran says Allah created the Earth first and then seven Heavens.

[abaddon]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Of course I read the Koran.

I read the Lord of the Rings. Does that make it true?

[aleCcowaN]

Surah 41.12 says clearly in its original Arabic:

sab'a samāwātin ---> seven heavens



Where is that is Emre's version? He's subverting the very sacred Quran to sell a lot of diabolic lies!

He is a Christian Missionary who is trying to bleck Islam.

[MikeG]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

You see, according to the Qur'an, The age of the universe is three times that of the world.

No, no......you just said that the universe was 4 years older than the world. Which one of these conflicting statements is right? The can't both be.

[Emre_1974tr]

Hey, it's more fun to deal with you, when watching a movie.

50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us

41:9 Say, "You are rejecting the One who created the earth in two days, and you set up equals with Him. This is the Lord of the worlds."

The age of the universe is three times that of the world.

***

41:11 Furthermore, He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."

(The world begins to be created)

41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

(In two days the world was created and the existing universes were arranged)

2:29 He is the One who created for you all that is in the earth. Moroever, He attended to the universe and made it seven heavens, and He is aware of all things.

41.10 about appreciation of the world's blessings, planning, regulate..

[The Big Dog]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Hey, it's more fun to deal with you, when watching a movie.

41:9 Say, "You are rejecting the One who created the earth in two days, and you set up equals with Him. This is the Lord of the worlds."

41:11 Furthermore, He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."


41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

....


41.10 about appreciation of the world's blessings, planning, regulate..

Here is what 41.10 actually says:

"And He made in it mountains above its surface, and He blessed therein and made therein its foods, in four periods: alike for the seekers."

[MikeG]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

........41:9 Say, "You are rejecting the One who created the earth in two days, and you set up equals with Him. This is the Lord of the worlds."

The age of the universe is three times that of the world..........

It took me 3 weeks to make my kitchen. It has taken me 3 years to make my house. This never, ever means that my house is 52 times the age of my kitchen.

The difference between "age" and "time it took to build" is where your confusion lies, and the more you repeat your misunderstanding of simple maths, the sillier it looks.

-

"It took me 3 hours to make a Lego model"

"It took me 3 days to make some bookshelves"

Which is older....the Lego model or the bookshelves?

[Emre_1974tr]

ve kaddere : and appreciate

To appreciate the blessings, to plan

[Emre_1974tr]

By creation, the universe and our world are being described today.

The creation of the first state of the universe didn't even last seconds.

[MikeG]

How can they be "described today" by a book which was written 1400 years ago?

[The Big Dog]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

By creation, the universe and our world are being described today.

The creation of the first state of the universe didn't even last seconds.

You said it took six days??

[Jack by the hedge]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us

41:9 Say, "You are rejecting the One who created the earth in two days, and you set up equals with Him. This is the Lord of the worlds."

The age of the universe is three times that of the world.

***

41:11 Furthermore, He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."

(The world begins to be created)

41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

(In two days the world was created and the existing universes were arranged)

2:29 He is the One who created for you all that is in the earth. Moroever, He attended to the universe and made it seven heavens, and He is aware of all things.

41.10 about appreciation of the world's blessings, planning, regulate..

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Here is what 41.10 actually says:

"And He made in it mountains above its surface, and He blessed therein and made therein its foods, in four periods: alike for the seekers."

Well this just sounds like a complete mess. If the Koran is supposed to be perfect, why is it so badly written?

[aleCcowaN]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Hey, it's more fun to deal with you, when watching a movie.

You're doing it at the same time, that's why your posts are a source of fun

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us

41:9 Say, "You are rejecting the One who created the earth in two days, and you set up equals with Him. This is the Lord of the worlds."

The age of the universe is three times that of the world.

No, Emre person. It's not three times because those two days weren't the last two of those six. Read the Quran for good this time and stop cutting and pasting from other websites.

We know it from the Quran :

41:10 And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

(In two days the world was created and the existing universes were arranged)

That is a false verse you made up. It has horrible language mistakes. You are probably writing that crap in Turkish or another language and using Google Translate to render it badly in English.

The real one runs along this lines:

"And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing."

Nothing of "then" this thing or this other, as you invented.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

2:29 He is the One who created for you all that is in the earth. Moroever, He attended to the universe and made it seven heavens, and He is aware of all things.

41.10 about appreciation of the world's blessings, planning, regulate..

What is that stupid decoy of "41.10 about appreciation of the world's blessings, planning, regulate.."? Is it a Göbelian thing? You know well that's not what the verse says.

What is that clownish "moroever" of yours? and, what is that fake verse? The real one says:

2:29 It is He who created for you all of that which is on the earth. Then He directed Himself to the heaven, [His being above all creation], and made them seven heavens, and He is Knowing of all things.

The mythical Allah created the Earth, the mountains, the biosphere and everything that's on Earth first, then he created the heavens, which you are translating as "universes". So according to you this deity created Earth and then created all the universe that isn't Earth.

That's a stupid thing to do, but Allah didn't do such stupid thing. You wrote it.

[Emre_1974tr]

No, I'm giving the real translations. English translations are usually incomplete and inaccurate. I give you the phrase in Arabic text.


For example, "floor of Lord" (Indallah),wrong translated into English (in the eye of the Lord...).

I'm writing the truth, even though you don't like it.

[Emre_1974tr]

And although you don't like it again, the Quran clearly gives the multi-universe model. And it shows that the age of the universe is three times the age of the world.

[Emre_1974tr]

My writings are my inventions. You're the ones who copied from other sites.

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

My writings are my inventions. You're the ones who copied from other sites.

Even if your postings about Islam are entirely a product of your own mental processes, then your postings about Islam are quite incorrect all the same.

[abaddon]

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

You said it took six days??

I cannot recall much of anything we agree upon, but on Emre's baloney we are as one.

Were I to offer a criticism, this thread is about whatever Emre believes. Not what you or I may or may not believe. Plenty of other threads for that.

Besides, Emre thinks we are both papal stooges. Work that one out.

[MikeG]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

....... it shows that the age of the universe is three times the age of the world.

No. No it doesn't.......not even according to you. Taking three times as long to build something doesn't mean it is 3 times as old. I don't know why you are struggling with this really, really simple concept.

[Emre_1974tr]

11- Then He turned to the heavens, and it was in a gaseous state.
And said to it, and the earth;
“Come into existence, willingly or unwillingly.”
They said, “We come willingly.”
(41- The Elucidated, 11)


The word "Then" in the beginning of the text translates to Arabic as "Summe". This word also has meanings such as ,"on the other", "later", "also".

[fagin]

How could they answer if they didn't exist yet?

(I'm sure a stupid answer deserves a stupid question....)

[Scorpion]

It is clear that the quran is echoing the bible on the matter of the six days of creation, and the bible also says that a day in the sight of God is as a thousand years to us. This means that both the bible and the quran are saying that God created the heaven and earth in six thousand years. As this is obviously not the case, I put it to you that the real source of the creation myth as it appears in the quran is in fact the bible.
We know the universe has existed for around fourteen billion years, and we have hubble space telescope pictures of the edge of the universe to prove it.
We also know that the age of the earth is around four billion years, so we know that the universe existed for ten billion years before the earth was formed. We also know that the earth is made of atoms that were formed in the first stars, and ejected into space after they exploded. So planets could not even have been created for the first few billion years of the universe, because there were no heavy atoms in existence. So the bible is wrong and the quran exactly repeats this mythology.

Quran, sura 7.54 Lo! your Lord is Allah who created the heavens and the earth in six days.

Quran, sura 10.3 Lo! your Lord is Allah who created the heaven and earth in six days.

Quran, sura 11.7 And He it is. Who created the heavens and the earth in six days.

Quran, sura 25.59 Who created the heaven and earth and all that is between them in six days.

Quran, sura 50.38 And surely We created the heaven and earth, and all that is between them, in six days.

Quran, sura 57.4 He it is Who created the heaven and earth in six days.

Quran, sura 22.47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

Quran, sura 32.4 Allah it is who created the heaven and earth, and that which is between them, in six days. The he mounted the throne. You have not beside him a protecting friend or mediator. Will you not then remember?

Quran, sura 32.5 He directs the ordinance from the heaven unto the earth; then it ascends unto him, in a day whereof the measure is a thousand years of that you reckon.

Here are the bible sources for these texts.

Bible, Genesis 1.31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Bible 2Peter 3.8 But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is as with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Abandon the lies of your gospels.

The real information is only in the Qur'an.


As the Qur'an says, the universe is six, the Earth is two days old.

Quran 2.29 says the earth was created before the heavens.



http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/29/default.htm

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Hey, it's more fun to deal with you, when watching a movie.

50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us

41:9 Say, "You are rejecting the One who created the earth in two days, and you set up equals with Him. This is the Lord of the worlds."

The age of the universe is three times that of the world.

***

41:11 Furthermore, He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."

(The world begins to be created)

41:12 He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every universe its affair. We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

(In two days the world was created and the existing universes were arranged)

2:29 He is the One who created for you all that is in the earth. Moroever, He attended to the universe and made it seven heavens, and He is aware of all things.

41.10 about appreciation of the world's blessings, planning, regulate..

The existing universes are arranged in the last two days and the world is being created.

And one of these previously created universes is the Afterlife Universe (Floor of the Lord).

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age3657288/pg1

[aleCcowaN]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No, I'm giving the real translations. English translations are usually incomplete and inaccurate. I give you the phrase in Arabic text.


For example, "floor of Lord" (Indallah),wrong translated into English (in the eye of the Lord...).

I'm writing the truth, even though you don't like it.

Your English here prove you couldn't spot the correct translation. I safely suppose you know Arabic as much as you know Swahili.

There are a billion Muslims, there are millions of Muslims who speak English (millions do it natively), there have been and are thousands of Muslim scholars specialized in theology, linguistics, anthropology and a lot of disciplines. And you, an unarticulated random dude are the one "writing the truth"? Let me show what you are doing in a simple fashion:

You're writing the verbal version of The Three Stooges.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

And although you don't like it again, the Quran clearly gives the multi-universe model. And it shows that the age of the universe is three times the age of the world.

No it doesn't. And I'd like very much it did (but it still doesn't). So you're a being-wrong powerhouse.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

My writings are my inventions.

No doubts about that!

[aleCcowaN]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

11- Then He turned to the heavens, and it was in a gaseous state.
And said to it, and the earth;
“Come into existence, willingly or unwillingly.”
They said, “We come willingly.”
(41- The Elucidated, 11)


The word "Then" in the beginning of the text translates to Arabic as "Summe". This word also has meanings such as ,"on the other", "later", "also".

"sume", "thume" in current Arabic.

Anyway, the verse doesn't make sense with any of your proposed translations.

It's as simple as heavens don't have voices or conscience. If they had, non-existent heavens can't coordinate their answer and reply "we come willingly" and THEN (nor "on the other", nor "later", nor "also", nor "moreover") come into existence.

There aren't a logic in English, a logic in Arabic and a logic in Turkish. There's only one logic, and there are unreasonable Turkish (you) and reasonable people (me), either Turkish or not.

Unless you're a Christian missionarY in Turkish disguise, suma you'd be an unreasonable Xian missionarY.

[aleCcowaN]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

Quran 2.29 says the earth was created before the heavens.



http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/29/default.htm

TRUE

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The existing universes are arranged in the last two days and the world is being created.

And one of these previously created universes is the Afterlife Universe (Floor of the Lord).

FALSE

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age3657288/pg1

They are mocking you and laughing at you in that forum. Your reputation there is MINUS 31, and you don't even notice.

[Emre_1974tr]

Meanwhile, the writing I described in the light of Quran, how the universes were created simultaneously/together:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...revrenler.html

And described in the verses I mentioned in my study; The event that the stars do light/flame shots can now be explored/viewed in this link:

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/201...475783632/ph2/

Al Jinn

8. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

9. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.



Saffat

6. We have indeed decked the lower universe with beauty (in) the stars,-

7. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

8. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

9. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

10. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.

[Thor 2]

If I can get you down to Earth Emre. I just read something most disturbing about a diphtheria outbreak in Indonesia, were kids are dying.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-1...mpaign/9325852

The anti-vexers and some Muslim clerics are hampering the efforts of the medical authorities to get kids vaccinated.

Quote:

Now, a vaccination campaign against diphtheria in Indonesia is being undermined by alternative health practitioners and fringe Muslim clerics who claim immunisations are un-Islamic.
One of their justifications is that vaccinations are developed using products from "haram" animals like pigs and dogs.

The clerics seem to be on firm ground about the "haram" animals thing. What do you think about the Quran's advice on this topic? Correcting mistakes?

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Taking this discussion to its logical extreme, if according to the qu'ran a day for its god equate to roughly 1 billion years, and the apocalypse is supposed to happen years after muhammad, we are pretty safe for the foreseeable future.
Sin away!

[Hans]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

It is clear that the quran is echoing the bible.

Yes but it would be more correct to say that Muhammad was echoing,altering and repeating those earlier tales by earlier writers and story tellers.

[aleCcowaN]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Meanwhile, the writing I described in the light of Quran, how the universes were created simultaneously/together:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...revrenler.html

And described in the verses I mentioned in my study; The event that the stars do light/flame shots can now be explored/viewed in this link:

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/201...475783632/ph2/

Al Jinn

8. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

9. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.



Saffat

6. We have indeed decked the lower universe with beauty (in) the stars,-

7. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

8. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

9. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

10. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.

With this post you skidded and overturned. Are you trying to derail the thread?

[Myriad]

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

With this post you skidded and overturned. Are you trying to derail the thread?

Not at all. He posted verses from the Quran talking about stars that pursue rebels who steal Imperial secrets, and blast fire at them.

This is very impressive. Mohammed (peace be upon him!) predicted the Death Star!

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Meanwhile, the writing I described in the light of Quran, how the universes were created simultaneously/together:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...revrenler.html

And described in the verses I mentioned in my study; The event that the stars do light/flame shots can now be explored/viewed in this link:

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/201...475783632/ph2/

Al Jinn

8. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

9. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.



Saffat

6. We have indeed decked the lower universe with beauty (in) the stars,-

7. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

8. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

9. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

10. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.

I see you have stopped putting the surah numbers and have gone back to using names. Not many people will be able to identify the surah from the name so please go back to putting the number.

As for your translation it sucks, and also anything in brackets has been added by the translator, so can be ignored.

Here are the most common translations of surah 67.5

As can be seen it says the stars are missiles to throw at devils.


Quran sura 67:5
Pickthall- And verily We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.

Yusuf Ali- And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.

Hilali-Khan- And indeed We have adorned the nearest heaven with lamps, and We have made such lamps (as) missiles to drive away the Shayatin (devils), and have prepared for them the torment of the blazing Fire.

Shakir- And certainly We have adorned this lower heaven with lamps and We have made these missiles for the Shaitans, and We have prepared for them the chastisement of burning.

Sher Ali- And verily, WE have adorned the lowest heaven with lamps, and WE have made them the means of driving away satans, and WE have prepared for them the punishment of the blazing Fire.

Khalifa- We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and guarded its borders with projectiles against the devils; we prepared for them a retribution in Hell.

Arberry- And We adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and made them things to stone Satans; and We have prepared for them the chastisement of the Blaze.

Palmer- And we have adorned the lower heaven with lamps; and set them to pelt the devils with; and we have prepared for them the torment of the blaze!

Rodwell- Moreover we have decked the lowest heaven with lights, and have placed them there to be hurled at the Satans, for whom we have prepared the torment of the flaming fire.

Sale- Moreover we have adorned the lowest heaven with lamps, and have appointed them to be darted at the devils, for whom we have prepared the torment of burning fire:

[aleCcowaN]

Originally Posted by Myriad

Not at all. He posted verses from the Quran talking about stars that pursue rebels who steal Imperial secrets, and blast fire at them.

This is very impressive. Mohammed (peace be upon him!) predicted the Death Star!

I'd agree if a "Yes, completely" replaces the first sentence. I am not opposed to an only-thread "all the interesting theories of Emre_1974tr regarding the Quran", as he is that kind of a user. However, he has several thread open and he's is posting whatever crosses his mind. He should at least try to relate his posts to the thread's topic.

[Porpoise of Life]

Originally Posted by Myriad

Not at all. He posted verses from the Quran talking about stars that pursue rebels who steal Imperial secrets, and blast fire at them.

This is very impressive. Mohammed (peace be upon him!) predicted the Death Star!

Join me and together we can rule the Ummah! *heavy breathing*

[Emre_1974tr]

Originally Posted by Thor 2

If I can get you down to Earth Emre. I just read something most disturbing about a diphtheria outbreak in Indonesia, were kids are dying.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-1...mpaign/9325852

The anti-vexers and some Muslim clerics are hampering the efforts of the medical authorities to get kids vaccinated.





The clerics seem to be on firm ground about the "haram" animals thing. What do you think about the Quran's advice on this topic? Correcting mistakes?

They are clergymen of hadith and sect teachings. The only source of Islamic religion is the Qur'an.

According to the Qur'an, the only animal who is forbidden to defeat the flesh is pig.

And the use of all animals for medicinal purposes is halal.