New Zealand Politics, the Ardern years

[Samson]

Originally Posted by The Atheist

The Green Party are outright morons and hypocrites.

It's about the only positive thing I could say about Cinderella's government that they didn't have to go into coalition with the Greenmunists.

I read that

Indian Kiwis are Stateless.

An Indian
Is not a kiwi
Nor stateless.

Am I the only residual speck who vomits at the term kiwi?

[lionking]

Originally Posted by Samson

I read that

Indian Kiwis are Stateless.

An Indian
Is not a kiwi
Nor stateless.

Am I the only residual speck who vomits at the term kiwi?

Can you please, just occasionally, post something understandable?

[The Atheist]

Originally Posted by lionking

Can you please, just occasionally, post something understandable?

The problem is, that was directed at me, and I understand it perfectly, even more, agree with it.

Originally Posted by Samson

I read that

Indian Kiwis are Stateless.

An Indian
Is not a kiwi
Nor stateless.

Nailed.

My heart ******* bleeds for them, and I'm just dying to see a load of my very high taxes being spent on their accommodation at our 5-star MIQ.

Originally Posted by Samson

Am I the only residual speck who vomits at the term kiwi?

I have a dividing line.

Indians, Chinese, Saffers, Krauts, and even Poms, can move to NZ and call themselves Kiwis if they work, live and breed here, and contribute towards NZ Inc.

If you gain residency here, then live and work in your home country, using NZ only as a convenient back-stop, you can piss off.

[The Atheist]

As Cinderella and her gov't are praised worldwide, the reality is starting to come home to roost, showing that it's luck, not management, that's kept us safe so far.

This is downright appallingly lax management: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...since-november

[The Atheist]

Goodness me, some bad press internationally for St Jacinda, can't be right: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...ghurs-genocide

[The Atheist]

And this is in a Covid-free New Zealand: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...cy-departments

[The Atheist]

Welcome to New Zealand, but beware which motel you choose to stay at: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/124...housing-guests

[lionking]

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Welcome to New Zealand, but beware which motel you choose to stay at: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/124...housing-guests

Homeless people can book into a motel of their choosing and the NZ government pays the bill? Including food I assume?

We have crisis and emergency accommodation in Australia, but it doesn’t work like that.

And if it’s true that large families are turning up with their own furniture, as reported in the article, I don’t blame motel owners being pissed.

[The Atheist]

Originally Posted by lionking

Homeless people can book into a motel of their choosing and the NZ government pays the bill? Including food I assume?

Food not included, but otherwise correct.

It's a huge problem all over, because the people unable to get rental accommodation are generally ex-convicts, gangs or people who have been evicted from multiple tenancies.

The cost to the country is almost $1M a day.

And while the provider in the article I linked to earlier looks to be pretty good, I know for certain that some very dodgy motels are charging top dollar for rooms a normal person would not pay to stay in.

Insanity from every angle.

[Roger Ramjets]

Originally Posted by lionking

Homeless people can book into a motel of their choosing and the NZ government pays the bill? Including food I assume?

We have crisis and emergency accommodation in Australia, but it doesn’t work like that.

How does it work in Australia?

Homelessness in Australia

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2016 census homelessness figures

The number of homeless people in Australia jumped by more than 15,000 — or 14 per cent — in the five years to 2016, according to census data. The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) said 116,000 people were homeless on census night in 2016, representing 50 homeless people per 10,000.

1 in 200 people homeless. What is your government doing about it?

Quote:

The Road Home - Federal Government White Paper

The Road Home was launched by former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd in December 2008. This White Paper sets an ambitious target to halve homelessness by 2020 and offer supported accommodation to all rough sleepers who need it. Launching the White Paper, Kevin Rudd said, referring to the 105,000 homeless people in Australia "A country like this should not have this problem, so large and longstanding, without being addressed, It's time we had a decent solution to this problem that has been around for a long time."

However it 'works' doesn't seem to be working.

[The Atheist]

NZ housing appears to have reached number one!

For the least-affordable housing on the planet.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/h...than-you-think

[Roger Ramjets]

Cinderella stays firm on superannuation age after Treasury flags rising cost pressures

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Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says New Zealand will be able to cover costs of superannuation without raising the age of entitlement, following a Treasury report flagging up a threat of unsustainable future debt.

"Driven by lower average fertility rates and improvements in life expectancy, 26 percent of the population is projected to be over 65 years old by 2060, compared to 16 percent in 2020," it said.

Ardern said while the age would not rise under Labour, the government had resumed payments to the super fund... "In our view so long as we continue to contribute, and we are ... then we should be able to give that ongoing certainty to New Zealanders about when they'll be able to retire."

Yet another unintended consequence of strict lockdowns and onerous restrictions. If St Jacinda hadn't deliberately eliminated Covid from New Zealand in order to procure her sainthood, Kiwis wouldn't be facing this problem. You only needed to kill off 10% of your population to balance the books, but did the cynical and manipulative career woman child care about that? No, she needs those votes from the soon to be moochers sucking on the government teat.

But (thank God) the opposition party is more sympathetic to the plight of Kiwis who will suffer under Ardern's rule...

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National Party leader Judith Collins said the government was being wasteful.

"It is irresponsible of the government continuing to spend money like it is with no thought as to where it comes from at the same time as we have 4500 kids in [emergency housing] hotels.

Now there's someone who is willing to do the right thing even though it will probably hurt her. As the leader of New Zealand's 'conservative' party, Judith Collins must know that this stance will cost her and her party votes, since older people normally vote conservative while kids can't vote. But she isn't in it for the glory - she knows that the most important thing a government can do is not spend money, no matter how much people who have worked and paid taxes all their lives think they deserve some of it back.

[The Atheist]

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

...

You missed highlighting the most important part of Barbie's comments:

"In our view"

Given she's a proven hypocrite, while Treasury is a department with no vested interest, I know which one I'll believe.

[The Atheist]

More on NZ housing: https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/h...al-prices-soar

[The Atheist]

Self-explanatory statement from NZ's Chief Human Rights Commissioner:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/125...missioner-says

Quote:

We are currently facing a human rights calamity, from Bluff to Cape Reinga

[Roger Ramjets]

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Self-explanatory statement from NZ's Chief Human Rights Commissioner:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/125...missioner-says

Good website that one, I loved reading the comments.

Like this one:-

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It's happening all over the world right now. I blame Jacinda.

Of course she is to blame. With New Zealand being the "Last One Standing" in keeping the virus out, there was bound to be unprecedented pressure on housing from Kiwis in Covid-infested countries suddenly getting homesick. Add to that rent guarantees for people put out of work by covid restrictions and the result was entirely predictable. If only St. Jacinda had dropped the ball like other countries and let a massive infection rate decimate the economy and kill off half the old people, New Zealand wouldn't be so attractive and none of this would have happened!

And of course we can ignore that fact that Barbie inherited a full-blown housing crisis from the outgoing conservative government, which in their last year of office allowed mainland Chinese investors to purchase almost 1,600 residential properties at an average price of $622,000 (NZ$943,000).

That's not to say the cynical and manipulative career woman child didn't try to do something about it, but she is a woman so we all knew how that would turn out.

[The Atheist]

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

And of course we can ignore that fact that Barbie inherited a full-blown housing crisis from the outgoing conservative government...

No, let's not ignore it - it's Cindy's attitude and past statements about the housing crisis that are the core of why she's a hypocritical ****.

Let me repeat the same information I've posted many times.

This is Cinderella in 2015, when house prices had increased by a whopping 47% under 8 years of John Key's leadership.

She's quite right, it was a disgrace.

Yet...

During Cinderella's reign of four years - almost exactly half the despicable John Key - house prices have risen 53%.

Can you spot the obvious flaw?

Evidence: https://www.globalpropertyguide.com/...e-Price-Trends

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

That's not to say the [b]cynical and manipulative career woman child...

That's sammy's schtick. I'm quite happy with "hypocritical ****", because it I can display she's a hypocrite.

[The Atheist]

OECD member countries with greater ICU capacity per capita than New Zealand:

All of them, apart from Mexico.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...e-border-opens

Hardly worth mentioning doctors are considering strike action in light of their offer of a pay increase of $0.00.

Yeah, Cinderalla's doing a sterling job...

Her Cabinet is a bunch of vacuous incompetent sychophants with the sole exception of Megan Woods.

[Samson]

Here is a character study of Ardern which lines up exactly with my thoughts if I could have thought of all this.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/graham...RSCXVGMJVH77Q/

Sinister, I am interested in views of Atheist and others.
My view is she has now managed the invasion of covid by refusing to build open plain quarantine facilities in a country with limitless land, which would have cost 3 days of a level 4 lockdown.
Infinite shame on you Ardern.

[The Atheist]

Originally Posted by Samson

Sinister, I am interested in views of Atheist and others.

Very good analysis. This bit stood out for me - it's exactly what Cully's been saying in the L4 thread:

Quote:

She is also shameless at stage-managing her public appearances for maximum effect — whether it is showcasing her Government's actions at her 1pm press conferences or being covered by a Polynesian ceremonial mat during an official apology for the dawn raids in a highly choreographed piece of political theatre.

While this is nailed on, and what I've been saying all the way through:

Quote:

...her Government is seriously incompetent in battling the scourges that afflict New Zealand — including overburdened infrastructure, crippling house prices and children living in poverty.

The tide is going to turn at some stage, and I intend to be around to piss on her [political] grave.

[The Atheist]

Rejoice at the democratic socialist government fully embracing capitalism!

Rents up 10% in a single year: https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/h...ecord-trade-me

[Samson]

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Rejoice at the democratic socialist government fully embracing capitalism!

Rents up 10% in a single year: https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/h...ecord-trade-me

Yep
And the law guarantees 100% rent payments to landlords whose tenants cant move (empty the dwellings) during level 4.
Many are paying double rents for an indefinite period.

That is law.

[The Atheist]

Originally Posted by Samson

Yep
And the law guarantees 100% rent payments to landlords whose tenants cant move (empty the dwellings) during level 4.
Many are paying double rents for an indefinite period.

That is law.

Yep, socialism now means protecting landlords and property owners.

The bitch should be publicly flogged for hypocrisy.

I'm going to cut off the hand I used to vote for her. Never again will I even come close to trusting Labour.

[dann]

I don't think I am the only foreigner who would like to see Covid-19 deaths reported like this:

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There are 20 new community cases of COVID-19 to report today, all in Auckland.

Sadly, today we are reporting the death last night in North Shore hospital of a woman in her 90s who was a confirmed case of COVID-19. The woman had a number of underlying health conditions.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern expressed her condolences to the family and loved ones of the person who passed away from COVID-19 overnight.

“Every (!) death is a reminder of the damage COVID-19 can cause when it gets into our community.

"Our older New Zealanders and those with underlying health issues are by far the most at risk from the virus and one of the reasons lockdowns are such an important tool to stop its spread.”

Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield said: “On behalf of New Zealanders, I want to recognise this family’s loss.

“This is a time for us all to offer our deep sympathy, while also respecting the family’s privacy.”
20 community cases of COVID-19; one death; two new cases in managed isolation; more than 86,000 vaccines administered yesterday (NZ Ministry of Health, Sep. 4, 2021)

In NZ, somebody dying from Covid-19 is actually more than just another number in the statistics, an individual person, and the loss of their relatives matters.

[Roger Ramjets]

Originally Posted by dann

I don't think I am the only foreigner who would like to see Covid-19 deaths reported like this... In NZ, somebody dying from Covid-19 is actually more than just another number in the statistics, an individual person, and the loss of their relatives matters.

You don't understand.

You see, St. Jacinda and her acolytes only pretend to have empathy in order to further the cynical and manipulative woman child's career. The bitch should be publicly flogged for being a woman hypocrisy!

If I was living in New Zealand right now I would be livid, and there's no way I would ever vote for her (again). The tide is going to turn at some stage, and I intend to be around to piss on her [political] grave (just as soon as I get an opportunity to return there - assuming Barbie allows it!).

[Samson]

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

You don't understand.

You see, St. Jacinda and her acolytes only pretend to have empathy in order to further the cynical and manipulative woman child's career. The bitch should be publicly flogged for being a woman hypocrisy!

If I was living in New Zealand right now I would be livid, and there's no way I would ever vote for her (again). The tide is going to turn at some stage, and I intend to be around to piss on her [political] grave (just as soon as I get an opportunity to return there - assuming Barbie allows it!).

Beautifully written.
Irony matches truth!

[The Atheist]

Originally Posted by Samson

Beautifully written.
Irony matches truth!

What I'd like is for some of these Cinderella-lovers to spend a morning with me talking to the couple of hundred people living in their cars within 5 km of my place and see how funny those people find it all.

Once (if) we get out of Level 4, that is...

[The Atheist]

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Rents up 10% in a single year: https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/h...ecord-trade-me

And the greatest rise in property prices in history, with an eye-watering 25% increase in a single year.*

What a magnificent example of Socialism at work:

1- Keep house prices so high the bottom socio-economic tier will never own one.

2 - Keep rental property scarce enough that there will never be empty rentals.

- Profit!


*And this in the administration of a Prime Minister who expected John Key to be ashamed of a 40% rise in eight years.

Hypocritical traitor is the only way I can describe her without extensive use of Asterix.

[Samson]

20 billion spent building houses and 300 billion increase in residential equity since January.
Ardern repeatedly rules out accessing the 300 billion for redistribution.

[Samson]

Crocodile tears about cost of covid.
Home equity rising at 10 billion a week.
Covid just a lazy 1.5

[The Atheist]

Originally Posted by Samson

20 billion spent building houses and 300 billion increase in residential equity since January.
Ardern repeatedly rules out accessing the 300 billion for redistribution.

They hung Mussolini's corpse upside down at a petrol station.

That would be too good for Ardern. Mussolini wasn't a traitor to his own supporters as far as I'm aware, while she stabs them in the back every ******* day.

I now rate her as worse than Muldoon, and clearly the worst and most-damaging PM we've ever had. I'd stay away from Bastion Point if I were you - there's a lot of ground movement at the moment as Michael Joseph Savage spins in his grave.

But the world is in love with her, so all is well with the world.

[Roger Ramjets]

Originally Posted by The Atheist

They hung Mussolini's corpse upside down at a petrol station.

That would be too good for Ardern. Mussolini wasn't a traitor to his own supporters as far as I'm aware, while she stabs them in the back every ******* day.

So what do you suggest for her?

Quote:

I now rate her as worse than Muldoon, and clearly the worst and most-damaging PM we've ever had.

By what criteria? Oh silly me, she's a woman. That alone is enough...

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I'd stay away from Bastion Point if I were you

Why?

Quote:

But the world is in love with her, so all is well with the world.

Not all the World. I know of at least two curmudgeons who can't stand the bitch, one who thinks that hanging her corpse upside down at a petrol station is too good for her.

Let that sink in for a while. Yes, there are people in this World who are so sick they actually fantasize about doing worse things to women.

[The Atheist]

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

So what do you suggest for her?

Tied up and left to rot at the communal ablution blocks where entire families bathe, **** and launder because the traitor failed to keep them safe from homelessess.

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

By what criteria?

Damaging the lives of the highest number of New Zealanders.

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

Oh silly me, she's a woman. That alone is enough...

This fantasy of your that criticism of Ardern is driven by misogyny is hilarious. When that's the only thing someone who knows nothing about the reality of life for tens of thousands of New Zealanders, I'm very comfortable.

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

Why?

M J Savage gave a ****.

The man was the architect of the modern welfare state, and when money was needed, he took it from those who could afford to lose it, to fund the lives of those who can't.

The fact that he was in the same political party as Cinderella is cause enough for his corpse to spin.

[Samson]

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Tied up and left to rot at the communal ablution blocks where entire families bathe, **** and launder because the traitor failed to keep them safe from homelessess.



Damaging the lives of the highest number of New Zealanders.



This fantasy of your that criticism of Ardern is driven by misogyny is hilarious. When that's the only thing someone who knows nothing about the reality of life for tens of thousands of New Zealanders, I'm very comfortable.



M J Savage gave a ****.

The man was the architect of the modern welfare state, and when money was needed, he took it from those who could afford to lose it, to fund the lives of those who can't.

The fact that he was in the same political party as Cinderella is cause enough for his corpse to spin.

Yep
The land flowing with milk and honey is steered by a heartless pretentious bitch.

[lionking]

Originally Posted by Samson

Yep
The land flowing with milk and honey is steered by a heartless pretentious bitch.

Yeah? NZ has the lowest covid death rate of all OECD nations with Australia second.

Your assessment of her is garbage.

[Samson]

Originally Posted by lionking

Yeah? NZ has the lowest covid death rate of all OECD nations with Australia second.

Your assessment of her is garbage.

No.
It is based on local knowledge.
Ardern is wilfully neglecting the people she promised to help. She knows where her bread is buttered.

You are welcome.

[lionking]

Originally Posted by Samson

No.
It is based on local knowledge.
Ardern is wilfully neglecting the people she promised to help. She knows where her bread is buttered.

You are welcome.

No. She has protected NZ, but she can’t control the world economy. Do you seriously think the opposition would have done better? If so you are ******* kidding yourself.

[Samson]

Originally Posted by lionking

No. She has protected NZ, but she can’t control the world economy. Do you seriously think the opposition would have done better? If so you are ******* kidding yourself.

It is about cynical capture of vote property.
As Atheist notes in a crisis with a mandate you do good not evil.

[lionking]

Originally Posted by Samson

It is about cynical capture of vote property.
As Atheist notes in a crisis with a mandate you do good not evil.

This post makes no sense. “Capture of vote property”. What does this mean?

[Samson]

Originally Posted by lionking

This post makes no sense. “Capture of vote property”. What does this mean?

70 percent of people who vote live in property controlled by their family interests.