Australian Politics: The Albanese Times - Page 3

psionl0 · 21st May 2022, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

What is the distinction you are making here? When we go to the polls there is a sense in which we are choosing our prime minister.

The distinction is that unlike a POTUS election, for the LNP to cry "rigged" they would have to challenge the results in at least 25 seats.

Sideroxylon · 21st May 2022, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by psionl0

The distinction is that unlike a POTUS election, for the LNP to cry "rigged" they would have to challenge the results in at least 25 seats.

I see what you mean in that a successful challenge by Trump required less seats to flip. However I believe Shemp is talking about a bloodymindedness that exists in the hyper-polarisation of US politics that we fortunately do not have here.

psionl0 · 22nd May 2022, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

I see what you mean in that a successful challenge by Trump required less seats to flip. However I believe Shemp is talking about a bloodymindedness that exists in the hyper-polarisation of US politics that we fortunately do not have here.

Only one seat needed to flip to topple the POTUS.

Australia has got a court of disputed returns which sees plenty of action when results are close but seldom do we see a case reach the high court and it would't make a difference in this case anyway.

lionking · 22nd May 2022, 02:25 AM

Just listened to Albo’s speech again. No notes, powerful, from the heart, and (as I will now admit) inspirational.

He may well become a good, even very good, PM.

It was a great speech.

lionking · 22nd May 2022, 02:31 AM

Albo invoked the “true believers” concept as well. It was authentic when it came from Keating. It is equally authentic from Albo.

a_unique_person · 22nd May 2022, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by psionl0

Political pundits have already given Labor a majority win. However, they need 76 seats for a majority. ATM the state if play is Labor: 71 seats, LNP 51, Greens 3, Others 12 with 14 seats undecided. The LNP had a big swing away from them this election but the votes didn't go to Labor - except in WA which was enough for Labor to claim victory.

In the Senate, the current state of play is LNP 30 seats, Labor 25 seats, Greens 12 seats, Lambie 2 seats and ON 1 seat with 6 seats undecided. Labor needs to control 40 Senate seats to pass legislation which seems unlikely even with Greens support.

So far, Albanese has ruled out forming a coalition so it remains to be seen how effective he will be.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/election...t=az&state=all

There are 76 Senators, so less than 40 is enough.

a_unique_person · 22nd May 2022, 06:19 AM

Clive Palmer paid over $200 for each vote he got.

Wildy · 22nd May 2022, 03:35 PM

The Liberals lost because they weren't right wing enough according to Sky News people.

I also got an ad when reading that article with a little girl having a sook about something which seemed apt for the article.

Thor 2 · 22nd May 2022, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

Just listened to Albo’s speech again. No notes, powerful, from the heart, and (as I will now admit) inspirational.

He may well become a good, even very good, PM.

It was a great speech.

I agree, a most inspirational speech.

One of Albo's qualities I have heard spoken about is his high conciliation abilities.

Sideroxylon · 22nd May 2022, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Wildy

The Liberals lost because they weren't right wing enough according to Sky News people.

I also got an ad when reading that article with a little girl having a sook about something which seemed apt for the article.

Sounds like people afraid their whole schtick has been exposed as irrelevant. If the News Corp overlords see it that way they might lose the TV gig ranting to cooked retirees. Seems there could be more viewers and influence in a UK Sky model. I have a feeling we aren’t in Kansas anymore.

Sideroxylon · 22nd May 2022, 04:20 PM

The change of opinion on Albo’s leadership ability in this thread is something to reflect upon. I wonder if the wider view has also become more positive following an election win and a victory speech. During the campaign and prior we had the media and people opining on his lack of charisma and leadership qualities, and so it was with Shorten. Would he be getting the same re-evaluation if he had won? Were these just narratives that we blindly accept and repeat?

Of course we are in the honeymoon period and no policy enacted.

Orphia Nay · 22nd May 2022, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

As I said earlier (I think, it’s been an “emotional” night) I want Dutton to survive and be Liberal leader. That would guarantee a decade government for Labor.

I wouldn't mind a Liberal government if they were the sort of party that soundly rejected Dutton as leader.

Hopefully Morrison's failure doesn't make them double down and use Dutton.

While the success of teal independents this election gives me hope for Australia, there is still a large number of people who will vote Liberal or Labor by name only, not policies.

Giving them the choice of either small-l liberal LNP or Labor guarantees what's best for the country.

But giving them an option of a wing-nut potato is not good for Australia.

Norman Alexander · 22nd May 2022, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

The change of opinion on Albo’s leadership ability in this thread is something to reflect upon. I wonder if the wider view has also become more positive following an election win and a victory speech. During the campaign and prior we had the media and people opining on his lack of charisma and leadership qualities, and so it was with Shorten. Would he be getting the same re-evaluation if he had won? Were these just narratives that we blindly accept and repeat?

Of course we are in the honeymoon period and no policy enacted.

Still think he is nowhere near the charisma of some previous political leaders on both sides. Honestly, his good victory speech was still a bit of a drone. No doubting his abilities and intentions. But he IS pretty beige...

Norman Alexander · 22nd May 2022, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

I wouldn't mind a Liberal government if they were the sort of party that soundly rejected Dutton as leader.

Hopefully Morrison's failure doesn't make them double down and use Dutton.

While the success of teal independents this election gives me hope for Australia, there is still a large number of people who will vote Liberal or Labor by name only, not policies.

Giving them the choice of either small-l liberal LNP or Labor guarantees what's best for the country.

But giving them an option of a wing-nut potato is not good for Australia.

I hope they DO turn to the right-wing nutcases like Dutton. And that they shrink and shrink. Because they will be on the outer for a long time. Good riddance.

The Atheist · 22nd May 2022, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

Just listened to Albo’s speech again. No notes, powerful, from the heart, and (as I will now admit) inspirational.

Gracious winning is a lot harder than gracious losing.

I share your hopes.

Orphia Nay · 22nd May 2022, 06:22 PM

Still happy about this.

Sideroxylon · 22nd May 2022, 06:30 PM

Norman Alexander · 22nd May 2022, 06:31 PM

Oh, my heart goes out to Rupe.

LOL no it doesn't.

Sideroxylon · 22nd May 2022, 06:32 PM

“Pauline Hanson quits parliament after hearing it will be run by a minority“ is more nice work by the Chaser.

arthwollipot · 22nd May 2022, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

I don’t disagree with this. But Labor’s vote is down too. I don’t think this election was decided on policies given how similar the policies of both major parties are. Labor deliberately made themselves a small target and got barely a third of the vote.

Labor's primary vote is down. They won on preferences, because that's how our electoral system is supposed to work.

Sideroxylon · 22nd May 2022, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Labor's primary vote is down. They won on preferences, because that's how our electoral system is supposed to work.

Working beautifully so “the quiet Australians” are are heard again but this time with a change of mind.

arthwollipot · 22nd May 2022, 06:57 PM

The ABC has a lineup of the seats that are still in doubt. Of them, three are marked "Labor likely" and two "Labor ahead". So if these trends continue, Labor will gain a majority. They need four more seats.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-...abor/101090802

Sideroxylon · 22nd May 2022, 06:59 PM

Some of those are against Greens? Would rather they win them.

Wildy · 22nd May 2022, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

The ABC has a lineup of the seats that are still in doubt. Of them, three are marked "Labor likely" and two "Labor ahead". So if these trends continue, Labor will gain a majority. They need four more seats.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-...abor/101090802

The AEC only has two seats that are listed as "close".

ETA: I missed the 5 top unavailable seats. I'm an idiot.

psionl0 · 22nd May 2022, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

Albo invoked the “true believers” concept as well. It was authentic when it came from Keating. It is equally authentic from Albo.

The last of the true believers was Gough Whitlam. Maybe Albo will prove to be one as well.

arthwollipot · 22nd May 2022, 10:21 PM

And Joshie Fry just conceded Kooyong.

lionking · 22nd May 2022, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

And Joshie Fry just conceded Kooyong.

Ryan only had a 8% lead on Josh. "Mathematically possible" if each and every postal vote flowed his way.

I'm glad that someone with such a poor grasp of maths is no longer Treasurer.

arthwollipot · 23rd May 2022, 01:52 AM

First Dog weighs in.

Orphia Nay · 23rd May 2022, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

First Dog weighs in.

Marvellous.

Sideroxylon · 23rd May 2022, 03:40 AM

So good. I felt it all.

lionking · 23rd May 2022, 03:56 AM

Labor needs two of the last seven to get majority. A few are trending against Labor, but still looking good. If it gets to two out of four, I’ll become worried.

I mean Albo will govern, but the concessions he will have to make to Independents will sicken me. Labor will have to throw millions at Toorak, Kew, the Northern Beaches etc etc. Please win a majority Albo.

Also, the “Andrews backlash” didn’t happen in Vic. This looks very bad for Matthew Guy in November. After the last Victorian state massive win my Labor, expect a repeat. The LNP may win only 10 seats. Hope so. Victoria has been historically the jewel in the LNP crown. How delicious.

catsmate · 23rd May 2022, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

First Dog weighs in.

I saw that this morning.

Don't step on the tiny marsupial of hope.

Sideroxylon · 23rd May 2022, 04:40 PM

It was interesting to hear WA Premier Mark McGowan not mincing words about Dutton, calling him “ an extremist who doesn’t fit modern Australia.” Also made a very unfavourable comparison of intelligence between Morrison, who he sees as smart, and Dutton.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ustralia-video

Also good to see appraisals like Liberal Senator Andrew Bragg warning his party the must refocus and distance themselves from “confected culture wars” or risk continuing to alienate voters.

https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/fede...23-p5anu6.html

And again:

WA Liberals blame attitudes to women and religious fundamentalism for federal election disaster
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101091008

It does appear that the Australian electorate is not largely triggered by the culture war issues that the last government entertained. I find it greatly reassuring that we have some immunity to the US culture war politics that has infected the Coalition. It is a concern that they have lost so many moderate voices.

If this is view of the election is true, how does this change the way our media reports on the issues? Maybe not at all as long as the click ad revenue comes? Does Sky wake up to the idea they are giving voice to nasty rants at an audience of cooked boomers? Take a look at the demographics of who kept the old nastiness and who voted for the progressive change - the proportion of youth voters is higher.

Sideroxylon · 23rd May 2022, 04:51 PM

And who are Corman’s Clan? He still has his hand in Liberal politics including WA fundamentalists like Goiran and Collier.

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100411550
Dominionism?

arthwollipot · 23rd May 2022, 05:28 PM

Clearing house:

Victorian Liberal MP Bernie Finn, who posted anti-abortion comments, expelled from party

Quote:

The Victorian Liberals have voted to expel controversial MP Bernie Finn from the party.

The upper house MP has been a Liberal politician for nearly four decades, but has caused outrage within the party after a series of inflammatory social media posts.

...

Earlier this month, Mr Finn posted on Facebook that he was "praying" for abortion to be banned in Victoria, including for rape victims.

"So excited the US is on the verge of a major breakthrough to civilisation. Praying it will come here soon. Killing babies is criminal," he posted.

Mr Finn was referring to a leaked draft opinion from the United States Supreme Court that indicated the Roe v Wade decision, which makes abortion a constitutional right, could be overturned.

In response to a comment saying abortion should be available for those who have experienced sexual assault, Mr Finn commented that "babies should not be killed for the crime of his or her parent".

arthwollipot · 23rd May 2022, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

And who are Corman’s Clan? He still has his hand in Liberal politics including WA fundamentalists like Goiran and Collier.

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100411550
Dominionism?

Maybe. There isn't enough evidence in this article to know, really. Not all collusions and old-boys-clubs constitute Dominionism. It does, however, reek of The Family, doesn't it?

Orphia Nay · 23rd May 2022, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Clearing house:

Victorian Liberal MP Bernie Finn, who posted anti-abortion comments, expelled from party

Ugh. Good riddance to him. Pity he's still a member.

When are the next Victorian elections? Ah, November.

Sideroxylon · 23rd May 2022, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Clearing house:

Victorian Liberal MP Bernie Finn, who posted anti-abortion comments, expelled from party

A positive move for the Liberal Party. Now if they purge the confected culture wars and climate denial/inaction, what differentiates them from the Labor Party? I feel this is an existential question for Labor more than Liberals.

Sideroxylon · 23rd May 2022, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Maybe. There isn't enough evidence in this article to know, really. Not all collusions and old-boys-clubs constitute Dominionism. It does, however, reek of The Family, doesn't it?

Not sure either. Just had a little dig after hearing both sides of WA politics pointing the finger of blame at fundamentalists and their influence in WA Lib Party. Seems Goiran and Collier a couple of names involved in stacking.

Probably best for both groups if the extreme religious element broke of as independent or a party.

arthwollipot · 23rd May 2022, 05:59 PM

And Swift has just conceded Boothby.

That makes 74 for Labor. Only two more for a majority.

21st May 2022, 10:45 PM	#81
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 20,498	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon What is the distinction you are making here? When we go to the polls there is a sense in which we are choosing our prime minister. The distinction is that unlike a POTUS election, for the LNP to cry "rigged" they would have to challenge the results in at least 25 seats.
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22nd May 2022, 01:52 AM	#83
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 20,498	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon I see what you mean in that a successful challenge by Trump required less seats to flip. However I believe Shemp is talking about a bloodymindedness that exists in the hyper-polarisation of US politics that we fortunately do not have here. Only one seat needed to flip to topple the POTUS. Australia has got a court of disputed returns which sees plenty of action when results are close but seldom do we see a case reach the high court and it would't make a difference in this case anyway.
	__________________ "The process by which banks create money is so simple that the mind is repelled. Where something so important is involved, a deeper mystery seems only decent." - Galbraith, 1975

22nd May 2022, 02:25 AM	#84
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 53,979	Just listened to Albo’s speech again. No notes, powerful, from the heart, and (as I will now admit) inspirational. He may well become a good, even very good, PM. It was a great speech.
	__________________ A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Sir Winston Churchill

22nd May 2022, 02:31 AM	#85
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 53,979	Albo invoked the “true believers” concept as well. It was authentic when it came from Keating. It is equally authentic from Albo.
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22nd May 2022, 06:19 AM	#86
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 45,710	Originally Posted by psionl0 Political pundits have already given Labor a majority win. However, they need 76 seats for a majority. ATM the state if play is Labor: 71 seats, LNP 51, Greens 3, Others 12 with 14 seats undecided. The LNP had a big swing away from them this election but the votes didn't go to Labor - except in WA which was enough for Labor to claim victory. In the Senate, the current state of play is LNP 30 seats, Labor 25 seats, Greens 12 seats, Lambie 2 seats and ON 1 seat with 6 seats undecided. Labor needs to control 40 Senate seats to pass legislation which seems unlikely even with Greens support. So far, Albanese has ruled out forming a coalition so it remains to be seen how effective he will be. https://www.abc.net.au/news/election...t=az&state=all There are 76 Senators, so less than 40 is enough.
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21st May 2022, 11:44 PM	#82
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,431	Originally Posted by psionl0 The distinction is that unlike a POTUS election, for the LNP to cry "rigged" they would have to challenge the results in at least 25 seats. I see what you mean in that a successful challenge by Trump required less seats to flip. However I believe Shemp is talking about a bloodymindedness that exists in the hyper-polarisation of US politics that we fortunately do not have here.

22nd May 2022, 03:35 PM	#88
Wildy Adelaidean Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 11,784	The Liberals lost because they weren't right wing enough according to Sky News people. I also got an ad when reading that article with a little girl having a sook about something which seemed apt for the article.
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22nd May 2022, 03:45 PM	#89
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tiny town west of Brisbane. Posts: 7,174	Originally Posted by lionking Just listened to Albo’s speech again. No notes, powerful, from the heart, and (as I will now admit) inspirational. He may well become a good, even very good, PM. It was a great speech. I agree, a most inspirational speech. One of Albo's qualities I have heard spoken about is his high conciliation abilities.
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22nd May 2022, 04:04 PM	#90
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,431	Originally Posted by Wildy The Liberals lost because they weren't right wing enough according to Sky News people. I also got an ad when reading that article with a little girl having a sook about something which seemed apt for the article. Sounds like people afraid their whole schtick has been exposed as irrelevant. If the News Corp overlords see it that way they might lose the TV gig ranting to cooked retirees. Seems there could be more viewers and influence in a UK Sky model. I have a feeling we aren’t in Kansas anymore.
	Last edited by Sideroxylon; 22nd May 2022 at 04:07 PM.

22nd May 2022, 04:20 PM	#91
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,431	The change of opinion on Albo’s leadership ability in this thread is something to reflect upon. I wonder if the wider view has also become more positive following an election win and a victory speech. During the campaign and prior we had the media and people opining on his lack of charisma and leadership qualities, and so it was with Shorten. Would he be getting the same re-evaluation if he had won? Were these just narratives that we blindly accept and repeat? Of course we are in the honeymoon period and no policy enacted.
	Last edited by Sideroxylon; 22nd May 2022 at 04:22 PM.

22nd May 2022, 04:38 PM	#92
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 43,205	Originally Posted by lionking As I said earlier (I think, it’s been an “emotional” night) I want Dutton to survive and be Liberal leader. That would guarantee a decade government for Labor. I wouldn't mind a Liberal government if they were the sort of party that soundly rejected Dutton as leader. Hopefully Morrison's failure doesn't make them double down and use Dutton. While the success of teal independents this election gives me hope for Australia, there is still a large number of people who will vote Liberal or Labor by name only, not policies. Giving them the choice of either small-l liberal LNP or Labor guarantees what's best for the country. But giving them an option of a wing-nut potato is not good for Australia.

22nd May 2022, 05:12 PM	#93
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,717	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon The change of opinion on Albo’s leadership ability in this thread is something to reflect upon. I wonder if the wider view has also become more positive following an election win and a victory speech. During the campaign and prior we had the media and people opining on his lack of charisma and leadership qualities, and so it was with Shorten. Would he be getting the same re-evaluation if he had won? Were these just narratives that we blindly accept and repeat? Of course we are in the honeymoon period and no policy enacted. Still think he is nowhere near the charisma of some previous political leaders on both sides. Honestly, his good victory speech was still a bit of a drone. No doubting his abilities and intentions. But he IS pretty beige...
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22nd May 2022, 05:14 PM	#94
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,717	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay I wouldn't mind a Liberal government if they were the sort of party that soundly rejected Dutton as leader. Hopefully Morrison's failure doesn't make them double down and use Dutton. While the success of teal independents this election gives me hope for Australia, there is still a large number of people who will vote Liberal or Labor by name only, not policies. Giving them the choice of either small-l liberal LNP or Labor guarantees what's best for the country. But giving them an option of a wing-nut potato is not good for Australia. I hope they DO turn to the right-wing nutcases like Dutton. And that they shrink and shrink. Because they will be on the outer for a long time. Good riddance.
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22nd May 2022, 05:40 PM	#95
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 34,075	Originally Posted by lionking Just listened to Albo’s speech again. No notes, powerful, from the heart, and (as I will now admit) inspirational. Gracious winning is a lot harder than gracious losing. I share your hopes.
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22nd May 2022, 06:22 PM	#96
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 43,205	Still happy about this.

22nd May 2022, 06:30 PM	#97
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,431

22nd May 2022, 06:31 PM	#98
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,717	Oh, my heart goes out to Rupe. LOL no it doesn't.
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22nd May 2022, 06:32 PM	#99
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,431	“Pauline Hanson quits parliament after hearing it will be run by a minority“ is more nice work by the Chaser.

22nd May 2022, 06:49 PM	#100
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,444	Originally Posted by lionking I don’t disagree with this. But Labor’s vote is down too. I don’t think this election was decided on policies given how similar the policies of both major parties are. Labor deliberately made themselves a small target and got barely a third of the vote. Labor's primary vote is down. They won on preferences, because that's how our electoral system is supposed to work.
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22nd May 2022, 06:56 PM	#101
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,431	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Labor's primary vote is down. They won on preferences, because that's how our electoral system is supposed to work. Working beautifully so “the quiet Australians” are are heard again but this time with a change of mind.

22nd May 2022, 06:57 PM	#102
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,444	The ABC has a lineup of the seats that are still in doubt. Of them, three are marked "Labor likely" and two "Labor ahead". So if these trends continue, Labor will gain a majority. They need four more seats. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-...abor/101090802
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22nd May 2022, 06:59 PM	#103
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,431	Some of those are against Greens? Would rather they win them.

22nd May 2022, 08:06 PM	#104
Wildy Adelaidean Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 11,784	Originally Posted by arthwollipot The ABC has a lineup of the seats that are still in doubt. Of them, three are marked "Labor likely" and two "Labor ahead". So if these trends continue, Labor will gain a majority. They need four more seats. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-...abor/101090802 The AEC only has two seats that are listed as "close". ETA: I missed the 5 top unavailable seats. I'm an idiot.
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22nd May 2022, 08:36 PM	#105
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 20,498	Originally Posted by lionking Albo invoked the “true believers” concept as well. It was authentic when it came from Keating. It is equally authentic from Albo. The last of the true believers was Gough Whitlam. Maybe Albo will prove to be one as well.
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22nd May 2022, 10:21 PM	#106
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,444	And Joshie Fry just conceded Kooyong.
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22nd May 2022, 10:50 PM	#107
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 53,979	Originally Posted by arthwollipot And Joshie Fry just conceded Kooyong. Ryan only had a 8% lead on Josh. "Mathematically possible" if each and every postal vote flowed his way. I'm glad that someone with such a poor grasp of maths is no longer Treasurer.
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23rd May 2022, 01:52 AM	#108
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,444	First Dog weighs in.
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23rd May 2022, 01:58 AM	#109
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 43,205	Originally Posted by arthwollipot First Dog weighs in. Marvellous.

23rd May 2022, 03:40 AM	#110
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,431	So good. I felt it all.

23rd May 2022, 03:56 AM	#111
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 53,979	Labor needs two of the last seven to get majority. A few are trending against Labor, but still looking good. If it gets to two out of four, I’ll become worried. I mean Albo will govern, but the concessions he will have to make to Independents will sicken me. Labor will have to throw millions at Toorak, Kew, the Northern Beaches etc etc. Please win a majority Albo. Also, the “Andrews backlash” didn’t happen in Vic. This looks very bad for Matthew Guy in November. After the last Victorian state massive win my Labor, expect a repeat. The LNP may win only 10 seats. Hope so. Victoria has been historically the jewel in the LNP crown. How delicious.
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23rd May 2022, 07:02 AM	#112
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 29,319	Originally Posted by arthwollipot First Dog weighs in. I saw that this morning. Don't step on the tiny marsupial of hope.
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23rd May 2022, 04:40 PM	#113
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,431	It was interesting to hear WA Premier Mark McGowan not mincing words about Dutton, calling him “ an extremist who doesn’t fit modern Australia.” Also made a very unfavourable comparison of intelligence between Morrison, who he sees as smart, and Dutton. https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ustralia-video Also good to see appraisals like Liberal Senator Andrew Bragg warning his party the must refocus and distance themselves from “confected culture wars” or risk continuing to alienate voters. https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/fede...23-p5anu6.html And again: WA Liberals blame attitudes to women and religious fundamentalism for federal election disaster https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101091008 It does appear that the Australian electorate is not largely triggered by the culture war issues that the last government entertained. I find it greatly reassuring that we have some immunity to the US culture war politics that has infected the Coalition. It is a concern that they have lost so many moderate voices. If this is view of the election is true, how does this change the way our media reports on the issues? Maybe not at all as long as the click ad revenue comes? Does Sky wake up to the idea they are giving voice to nasty rants at an audience of cooked boomers? Take a look at the demographics of who kept the old nastiness and who voted for the progressive change - the proportion of youth voters is higher.
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23rd May 2022, 04:51 PM	#114
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,431	And who are Corman’s Clan? He still has his hand in Liberal politics including WA fundamentalists like Goiran and Collier. https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100411550 Dominionism?

23rd May 2022, 05:28 PM	#115
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,444	Clearing house: Victorian Liberal MP Bernie Finn, who posted anti-abortion comments, expelled from party Quote: The Victorian Liberals have voted to expel controversial MP Bernie Finn from the party. The upper house MP has been a Liberal politician for nearly four decades, but has caused outrage within the party after a series of inflammatory social media posts. ... Earlier this month, Mr Finn posted on Facebook that he was "praying" for abortion to be banned in Victoria, including for rape victims. "So excited the US is on the verge of a major breakthrough to civilisation. Praying it will come here soon. Killing babies is criminal," he posted. Mr Finn was referring to a leaked draft opinion from the United States Supreme Court that indicated the Roe v Wade decision, which makes abortion a constitutional right, could be overturned. In response to a comment saying abortion should be available for those who have experienced sexual assault, Mr Finn commented that "babies should not be killed for the crime of his or her parent".
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23rd May 2022, 05:29 PM	#116
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,444	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon And who are Corman’s Clan? He still has his hand in Liberal politics including WA fundamentalists like Goiran and Collier. https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100411550 Dominionism? Maybe. There isn't enough evidence in this article to know, really. Not all collusions and old-boys-clubs constitute Dominionism. It does, however, reek of The Family, doesn't it?
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