[Split Thread] Trump Document indictment (as opposed to other indictments) - Page 10

Darat · 13th June 2023, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

I wasted a few minutes watching the motorcade from Doral to the courthouse. More reporters there than protesters. No violence, just some fat clown in a prison uniform costume ran out into the street and quickly got dragged away.

They already put Trump into a prison uniform? Seems a bit forward.

d4m10n · 13th June 2023, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by d4m10n

I'm hoping we can get a thread for each one of these investigations, or at least the ones which result in an indictment and a trial.

Is there a separate thread for the Georgia election interference case yet?

shemp · 13th June 2023, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

They already put Trump into a prison uniform? Seems a bit forward.

Why waste time?

Skeptic Ginger · 13th June 2023, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

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If a mob boss says "I've been unfairly treated... storm the court house" I doubt he would get any cult followers to join in. With Trump there is a real danger of that happening. (Most MAGAchud are incompetent but they can still cause problems o'plenty.)

Unless you see thousands gathering outside (and there isn't) then there is no chance of that happening.

A bomb here, a mass shooter there, maybe.

smartcooky · 13th June 2023, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Sure, there are those lawyers who specialize in prosecution defense. Just as there are those who are prosecutors. And those who are contract lawyers. And those who only do Time Share accounting. Of course those wouldn't be representing Trump in defense of a criminal prosecution and has nothing to do with whether they think he is guilty or innocent.

I dunno about that! He's got/had (?)* Alina Habba, whose specialty was general counsel for a parking-garage company.

* I wrote got/had (?) because The Fat Orange Turd changes lawyers more often than a prostitute changes their knickers, so I don't know if she is still on his lawyer team, and I can't be arsed trying to find out.

JoeMorgue · 13th June 2023, 01:39 PM

As of 12 hours ago, at least as reports the Guardian, Trump has retained no new lawyers and is still represented by Todd Blanche and Chris Kise.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ts-arraignment

Hercules56 · 13th June 2023, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

As of 12 hours ago, at least as reports the Guardian, Trump has retained no new lawyers and is still represented by Todd Blanche and Chris Kise.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ts-arraignment

He should probably represent himself. Who knows the law better than Donald?

Orphia Nay · 13th June 2023, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

I wasted a few minutes watching the motorcade from Doral to the courthouse. More reporters there than protesters. No violence, just some fat clown in a prison uniform costume ran out into the street and quickly got dragged away.

Yes, they're reporting there were not many protestors. Hahaha, Trump.

Quote:

The court appearance unfolded against the backdrop of potential protests, with some high-profile backers using barbed rhetoric to voice support. Trump himself encouraged supporters to join a planned protest Tuesday at the courthouse. Though city officials said they prepared for possible unrest around the courthouse, there were little signs of significant disruption.

https://apnews.com/article/e9412bb71...fb8e8b122e9809

Also from that article, Trump can't discuss the case with Nauta, who hasn't entered a plea yet. Trump plead not guilty, of course.

Quote:

While Trump was not required to surrender a passport – prosecutor David Harbach said he was not considered a flight risk, a likely recognition of his status as a presidential candidate – he was directed to not have any personal contact with any witnesses in the case. That includes Walt Nauta, his valet and close aide, who was indicted last week on charges that he moved boxes of documents at Trump’s direction and misled the FBI about it. He did not enter a plea Tuesday because he did not have a local lawyer with him.

The magistrate judge who presided over the arraignment directed Trump not to discuss the case with any witnesses, including Nauta, but said they can discuss work.

Mojo · 13th June 2023, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

He should probably represent himself. Who knows the law better than Donald?

Oh please let this happen.

lobosrul5 · 13th June 2023, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

Yes, they're reporting there were not many protestors. Hahaha, Trump.

https://apnews.com/article/e9412bb71...fb8e8b122e9809

Also from that article, Trump can't discuss the case with Nauta, who hasn't entered a plea yet. Trump plead not guilty, of course.

Who wants to take bets that not only will Trump discuss the cause with Nauta, he'll record it, make it public, then bitch/moan/cry that he's being setup and its a witch hunt?

Gulliver Foyle · 13th June 2023, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Did you hear his response to finding out that lawyers kept notes about meetings? He was completely flabbergasted that they would do that!

He says, Michael Cohen never took notes.....

(I'm serious - see Legal Eagle's new video)

Of course, where did that get Michael Cohen?

He wasn't speaking about Michael Cohen, but Roy Cohn.

Norman Alexander · 13th June 2023, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Mojo

Originally Posted by Hercules56

He should probably represent himself. Who knows the law better than Donald?

Oh please let this happen.

Trump won't represent himself for two reasons. When he loses, he will want to blame his own "hoax lawyer". And then he will want to not pay him/her.

Trebuchet · 13th June 2023, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

* I wrote got/had (?) because The Fat Orange Turd changes lawyers more often than a prostitute changes their knickers, so I don't know if she is still on his lawyer team, and I can't be arsed trying to find out.

Probably more often than Trump changes his Depends, as well.

acbytesla · 13th June 2023, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

Who wants to take bets that not only will Trump discuss the cause with Nauta, he'll record it, make it public, then bitch/moan/cry that he's being setup and its a witch hunt?

Trump won't record it.

Norman Alexander · 13th June 2023, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

I dunno about that! He's got/had (?)* Alina Habba, whose specialty was general counsel for a parking-garage company. https://www.dropbox.com/s/lj2yg58wyo...unny.gif?raw=1

* I wrote got/had (?) because The Fat Orange Turd changes lawyers more often than a prostitute changes their knickers, so I don't know if she is still on his lawyer team, and I can't be arsed trying to find out.

As of Feb 2022, they were: Christopher Kise, Evan Corcoran, Christina Bobb, James Trusty, Lindsey Halligan, Boris Epshteyn, John Rowley, and Timothy Parlatore.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...3.cms?from=mdr

Of these, the highlighted have since left that team due to, supposedly, "infighting".

newyorkguy · 13th June 2023, 06:50 PM

trump flew from Miami to New Jersey after being arrested and arraigned today. A rally was held at the trump National Golf Club in Bedminster at which trump addressed his supporters. About an hour ago, in a live update, the New York Times reported, "Trump’s motorcade is rolling into Bedminster as “Suspicious Minds” by Elvis Presley plays over the loudspeakers." trump spoke for about thirty minutes. Times reporter Maggie Haberman commented that she found it striking "how little energy" trump and his supporters showed. And that after finishing his remarks, "He pumped his fist and mouthed, “Thanks," and left the stage."

He did nothing wrong! Everybody knows it! When he was being booked today, the officers processing him -- tough hard-bitten seen-it-all federal officers -- they were crying!

Skeptic Ginger · 13th June 2023, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by newyorkguy

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He did nothing wrong! Everybody knows it! When he was being booked today, the officers processing him -- tough hard-bitten seen-it-all federal officers -- they were crying!

Hercules56 · 14th June 2023, 08:39 AM

I have a concern that it will simply take one juror to engage in Jury Nullification and Trump will walk.

Segnosaur · 14th June 2023, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

I have a concern that it will simply take one juror to engage in Jury Nullification and Trump will walk.

I think it is a valid concern to worry about a single MAGAchud juror blocking a guilty verdict. (Technically it would be a hung jury, rather than jury nullification.)

But, in the case of a hung jury, the prosecution would still have the ability to re-file charges. (In an actual jury nullification, every member of the jury would vote not guilty and the prosecutors would not be able to touch trump for this particular set of crimes. I don't think that will happen here.)

Mike! · 14th June 2023, 09:22 AM

I keep hearing that Trump's Igor doesn't have a lawyer, is this true?

Reformed Offlian · 14th June 2023, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by newyorkguy

trump flew from Miami to New Jersey after being arrested and arraigned today. A rally was held at the trump National Golf Club in Bedminster at which trump addressed his supporters. About an hour ago, in a live update, the New York Times reported, "Trump’s motorcade is rolling into Bedminster as “Suspicious Minds” by Elvis Presley plays over the loudspeakers."

Seems appropriate, seeing as he's caught in a trap and can't walk out.

Reformed Offlian · 14th June 2023, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Mike!

I keep hearing that Trump's Igor doesn't have a lawyer, is this true?

Igor has already shown he can represent himself in court.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbbqJQRSdKg

lobosrul5 · 14th June 2023, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

I think it is a valid concern to worry about a single MAGAchud juror blocking a guilty verdict. (Technically it would be a hung jury, rather than jury nullification.)

But, in the case of a hung jury, the prosecution would still have the ability to re-file charges. (In an actual jury nullification, every member of the jury would vote not guilty and the prosecutors would not be able to touch trump for this particular set of crimes. I don't think that will happen here.)

I think thats bordering on a safe assumption. And, electorally/politically speaking its kind of a win for Biden. The trial dragging on all the way past the November 2024 election is just fantastic for him. If Trump is found guilty and is punished (house arrest most likely) the GoP would probably solidify around one candidate, likely DeSantis. But with the trial still ongoing a lot of the MAGA people will stick with Trump in the primaries.

newyorkguy · 14th June 2023, 09:40 AM

In 2020 Joe Biden carried Miami-Dade County over trump by 'only' 53%-46%. However, the wildcard is that someone who supported trump in 2020 may be a Ron DeSantis supporter now.

Why would that matter? To paraphrase trump:

Quote:

He's guilty! Everybody knows it!

JoeMorgue · 14th June 2023, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

I think thats bordering on a safe assumption. And, electorally/politically speaking its kind of a win for Biden. The trial dragging on all the way past the November 2024 election is just fantastic for him. If Trump is found guilty and is punished (house arrest most likely) the GoP would probably solidify around one candidate, likely DeSantis. But with the trial still ongoing a lot of the MAGA people will stick with Trump in the primaries.

The problem is Trump is already starting the "You have to elect me in 2024 to save me" routine with his followers. Trump's whole thing (still very loosely ranted but coming together somewhat) is if he gets back into office in 2024 he's pardon himself (or do something functionally the same) and punish everyone who came after him which is bad enough on its own but also sounds like a really good first step in the larger power grab they've all but been announcing is the end goal.

I'm very weary of basically turning the 2024 election into the defacto trial. Especially since if Trump takes office again in 2024 that's it, that's the end and if he loses there's still only like a 1 in 10 chance of him facing any type of real consequence. The Republicans have done a very good job of making justice and a political hit look like exactly the same to a lot of people.

Is any of this for sure? Of course not I like to think "we're in weird times" is something nobody here will be called upon to defend too strongly at this point and yes it absolutely could go the way you are saying just as easy. But it scares me as a non-crazy possibility.

Trebuchet · 14th June 2023, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

Who wants to take bets that not only will Trump discuss the cause with Nauta, he'll record it, make it public, then bitch/moan/cry that he's being setup and its a witch hunt?

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Trump won't record it.

But Nauta might, in order to get a deal!

Segnosaur · 14th June 2023, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Mike!

I keep hearing that Trump's Igor doesn't have a lawyer, is this true?

I assume you are referring to Trump's minion/valet Nauta.

It is true that during his arraignment he was unable to enter a plea because he didn't have a lawyer. He supposedly does have legal representation, just none that are local to where the proceedings are.

alfaniner · 14th June 2023, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Mike!

I keep hearing that Trump's Igor doesn't have a lawyer, is this true?

I can't help but call him "Walnetto".

pzkpfw · 14th June 2023, 01:53 PM

I see it's being reported fairly by fox: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-can...g-biden-speech

Quote:

But then came a chyron that was startling even for the conservative network during its raucously opinionated prime-time hours: "Wannabe Dictator Speaks at the White House After Having His Political Rival Arrested."

TurkeysGhost · 14th June 2023, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by pzkpfw

I see it's being reported fairly by fox: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-can...g-biden-speech

Jealousy is ugly. The right has had blue balls about locking up their political enemies for years now.

lobosrul5 · 14th June 2023, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by pzkpfw

I see it's being reported fairly by fox: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-can...g-biden-speech

“There are probably 787 million things I can say … about what we saw last night,” said White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, alluding to the settlement figure Fox News recently agreed to pay to settle a defamation lawsuit. “But I don’t think I’m going to get into it.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/media...den/index.html

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JoeMorgue · 14th June 2023, 02:54 PM

In the vaguest statement ever uttered outside of my wife telling me what she wants for dinner, FoxNews says it has "addressed" the onscreen graphic, without saying how it was address, how it happened, why it happened, or why any of us should believe it wasn't on purpose.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...7f15cbea5&ei=9

Hercules56 · 14th June 2023, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

I think it is a valid concern to worry about a single MAGAchud juror blocking a guilty verdict. (Technically it would be a hung jury, rather than jury nullification.)

But, in the case of a hung jury, the prosecution would still have the ability to re-file charges. (In an actual jury nullification, every member of the jury would vote not guilty and the prosecutors would not be able to touch trump for this particular set of crimes. I don't think that will happen here.)

Gotcha.

newyorkguy · 14th June 2023, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

In the vaguest statement ever uttered outside of my wife telling me what she wants for dinner, FoxNews says it has "addressed" the onscreen graphic, without saying how it was address, how it happened, why it happened, or why any of us should believe it wasn't on purpose.

Fox News link

Shout out to my ex-Boss. You were so right. You can't make this stuff up!

Two questions come to mind:

Is Tucker Carlson back at Fox?
Isn't the "wannabe dictator " the one on the right? But he's not speaking "at the White House," he's speaking at some private club in Jersey.

arthwollipot · 14th June 2023, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

I can't help but call him "Walnetto".

I like "Igor".

Originally Posted by newyorkguy

Isn't the "wannabe dictator " the one on the right? But he's not speaking "at the White House," he's speaking at some private club in Jersey.

In the Rightosphere, the "wannabe dictator" is Biden.

Skeptic Ginger · 14th June 2023, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

I think it is a valid concern to worry about a single MAGAchud juror blocking a guilty verdict. (Technically it would be a hung jury, rather than jury nullification.)

But, in the case of a hung jury, the prosecution would still have the ability to re-file charges.

And by that time Trump could be re-elected and we'd be back to square 0.

However, I'm convinced the 30% of voters who comprise Trump's base plus maybe 10% of the idiots who hate 'Libruls' or are swept up in the gaslighting aren't enough to elect loser Trump.

Skeptic Ginger · 14th June 2023, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

I like "Igor".

In the Rightosphere, the "wannabe dictator" is Biden.

Oh look, someone as sarcasm challenged as I am. ;

Armitage72 · 14th June 2023, 05:27 PM

Clearly they're still employing all those interns who used to "accidentally" put the letter "D" next to the names of Republican politicians whenever Fox News ran corruption stories.

Segnosaur · 14th June 2023, 05:30 PM

Just read an article that suggested the chance (remote as it is) that Trump COULD be subject to additional charges over the documents, but in New Jersey.

From: The Atlantic
...public speculation swirled about whether the former president had taken classified documents not just to Mar-a-Lago but also to his residence and golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey.... According to the Justice Department and a taped recording of the former president, Trump took classified records from Mar-a-Lago to Bedminster, where he showed off the contents of such records to others....

The thing is, Trump's indictments involve him hiding the documents, but they don't have anything on disseminating the information in them. Smith COULD bring additional charges over that in New Jersey, where that particular crime happened. (It might help to get around the issue of Cannon possibly presiding over the case, and the case being held in a Trump-friendly state.)

newyorkguy · 14th June 2023, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by newyorkguy

trump flew from Miami to New Jersey after being arrested and arraigned today. A rally was held at the trump National Golf Club in Bedminster at which trump addressed his supporters...

I did not know until just now that last night's rally at trump's Bedminster Golf Club was actually a fundraiser! Fresh from his arraignment on criminal charges in a federal court, trump flew to New Jersey and -- ca-ching -- cashed in!

Quote:

Former President Donald Trump hauled in more than $2 million at the first major fundraiser of his campaign, which was held just a few hours after he was arraigned in federal court. The Trump campaign confirmed to Fox News that the former president brought in $2.04 million on Tuesday evening as he huddled with top donors and campaign bundlers at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey. As reported by FOX News! (link)

I'll give trump this, he has some set. No class, integrity or humanity, but he has gonads the size of beach balls, metaphorically speaking.

13th June 2023, 12:08 PM	#361
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,239	Originally Posted by shemp I wasted a few minutes watching the motorcade from Doral to the courthouse. More reporters there than protesters. No violence, just some fat clown in a prison uniform costume ran out into the street and quickly got dragged away. They already put Trump into a prison uniform? Seems a bit forward.
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13th June 2023, 12:26 PM	#362
d4m10n Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Mounts Farm Posts: 11,724	Originally Posted by d4m10n I'm hoping we can get a thread for each one of these investigations, or at least the ones which result in an indictment and a trial. Is there a separate thread for the Georgia election interference case yet?
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13th June 2023, 01:11 PM	#363
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Where the Old Man of the Mountain used to stand Posts: 56,756	Originally Posted by Darat They already put Trump into a prison uniform? Seems a bit forward. Why waste time?
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13th June 2023, 01:34 PM	#365
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 24,550	Originally Posted by pgwenthold Sure, there are those lawyers who specialize in prosecution defense. Just as there are those who are prosecutors. And those who are contract lawyers. And those who only do Time Share accounting. Of course those wouldn't be representing Trump in defense of a criminal prosecution and has nothing to do with whether they think he is guilty or innocent. I dunno about that! He's got/had (?)* Alina Habba, whose specialty was general counsel for a parking-garage company. * I wrote got/had (?) because The Fat Orange Turd changes lawyers more often than a prostitute changes their knickers, so I don't know if she is still on his lawyer team, and I can't be arsed trying to find out.
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13th June 2023, 01:39 PM	#366
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13th June 2023, 01:21 PM	#364
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,223	Originally Posted by Segnosaur ... If a mob boss says "I've been unfairly treated... storm the court house" I doubt he would get any cult followers to join in. With Trump there is a real danger of that happening. (Most MAGAchud are incompetent but they can still cause problems o'plenty.) Unless you see thousands gathering outside (and there isn't) then there is no chance of that happening. A bomb here, a mass shooter there, maybe.

13th June 2023, 01:46 PM	#367
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 6,595	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue As of 12 hours ago, at least as reports the Guardian, Trump has retained no new lawyers and is still represented by Todd Blanche and Chris Kise. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ts-arraignment He should probably represent himself. Who knows the law better than Donald?
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13th June 2023, 02:26 PM	#368
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 43,417	Originally Posted by shemp I wasted a few minutes watching the motorcade from Doral to the courthouse. More reporters there than protesters. No violence, just some fat clown in a prison uniform costume ran out into the street and quickly got dragged away. Yes, they're reporting there were not many protestors. Hahaha, Trump. Quote: The court appearance unfolded against the backdrop of potential protests, with some high-profile backers using barbed rhetoric to voice support. Trump himself encouraged supporters to join a planned protest Tuesday at the courthouse. Though city officials said they prepared for possible unrest around the courthouse, there were little signs of significant disruption. https://apnews.com/article/e9412bb71...fb8e8b122e9809 Also from that article, Trump can't discuss the case with Nauta, who hasn't entered a plea yet. Trump plead not guilty, of course. Quote: While Trump was not required to surrender a passport – prosecutor David Harbach said he was not considered a flight risk, a likely recognition of his status as a presidential candidate – he was directed to not have any personal contact with any witnesses in the case. That includes Walt Nauta, his valet and close aide, who was indicted last week on charges that he moved boxes of documents at Trump’s direction and misled the FBI about it. He did not enter a plea Tuesday because he did not have a local lawyer with him. The magistrate judge who presided over the arraignment directed Trump not to discuss the case with any witnesses, including Nauta, but said they can discuss work.

13th June 2023, 02:38 PM	#369
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 37,721	Originally Posted by Hercules56 He should probably represent himself. Who knows the law better than Donald? Oh please let this happen.
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13th June 2023, 02:41 PM	#370
lobosrul5 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 6,175	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay Yes, they're reporting there were not many protestors. Hahaha, Trump. https://apnews.com/article/e9412bb71...fb8e8b122e9809 Also from that article, Trump can't discuss the case with Nauta, who hasn't entered a plea yet. Trump plead not guilty, of course. Who wants to take bets that not only will Trump discuss the cause with Nauta, he'll record it, make it public, then bitch/moan/cry that he's being setup and its a witch hunt?
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13th June 2023, 03:36 PM	#371
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,503	Originally Posted by pgwenthold Did you hear his response to finding out that lawyers kept notes about meetings? He was completely flabbergasted that they would do that! He says, Michael Cohen never took notes..... (I'm serious - see Legal Eagle's new video) Of course, where did that get Michael Cohen? He wasn't speaking about Michael Cohen, but Roy Cohn.
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Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,743	Originally Posted by Mojo Originally Posted by Hercules56 He should probably represent himself. Who knows the law better than Donald? Oh please let this happen. Trump won't represent himself for two reasons. When he loses, he will want to blame his own "hoax lawyer". And then he will want to not pay him/her.
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Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 37,744	Originally Posted by smartcooky * I wrote got/had (?) because The Fat Orange Turd changes lawyers more often than a prostitute changes their knickers, so I don't know if she is still on his lawyer team, and I can't be arsed trying to find out. Probably more often than Trump changes his Depends, as well.
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13th June 2023, 04:51 PM	#374
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 32,530	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 Who wants to take bets that not only will Trump discuss the cause with Nauta, he'll record it, make it public, then bitch/moan/cry that he's being setup and its a witch hunt? Trump won't record it.
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13th June 2023, 04:51 PM	#375
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,743	Originally Posted by smartcooky I dunno about that! He's got/had (?)* Alina Habba, whose specialty was general counsel for a parking-garage company. https://www.dropbox.com/s/lj2yg58wyo...unny.gif?raw=1 * I wrote got/had (?) because The Fat Orange Turd changes lawyers more often than a prostitute changes their knickers, so I don't know if she is still on his lawyer team, and I can't be arsed trying to find out. As of Feb 2022, they were: Christopher Kise, Evan Corcoran, Christina Bobb, James Trusty, Lindsey Halligan, Boris Epshteyn, John Rowley, and Timothy Parlatore. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...3.cms?from=mdr Of these, the highlighted have since left that team due to, supposedly, "infighting".
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newyorkguy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NY Posts: 13,317	trump flew from Miami to New Jersey after being arrested and arraigned today. A rally was held at the trump National Golf Club in Bedminster at which trump addressed his supporters. About an hour ago, in a live update, the New York Times reported, "Trump’s motorcade is rolling into Bedminster as “Suspicious Minds” by Elvis Presley plays over the loudspeakers." trump spoke for about thirty minutes. Times reporter Maggie Haberman commented that she found it striking "how little energy" trump and his supporters showed. And that after finishing his remarks, "He pumped his fist and mouthed, “Thanks," and left the stage." He did nothing wrong! Everybody knows it! When he was being booked today, the officers processing him -- tough hard-bitten seen-it-all federal officers -- they were crying!
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13th June 2023, 07:32 PM	#377
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,223	Originally Posted by newyorkguy ... He did nothing wrong! Everybody knows it! When he was being booked today, the officers processing him -- tough hard-bitten seen-it-all federal officers -- they were crying!

14th June 2023, 08:39 AM	#378
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 6,595	I have a concern that it will simply take one juror to engage in Jury Nullification and Trump will walk.
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14th June 2023, 09:20 AM	#379
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 20,313	Originally Posted by Hercules56 I have a concern that it will simply take one juror to engage in Jury Nullification and Trump will walk. I think it is a valid concern to worry about a single MAGAchud juror blocking a guilty verdict. (Technically it would be a hung jury, rather than jury nullification.) But, in the case of a hung jury, the prosecution would still have the ability to re-file charges. (In an actual jury nullification, every member of the jury would vote not guilty and the prosecutors would not be able to touch trump for this particular set of crimes. I don't think that will happen here.)
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14th June 2023, 09:22 AM	#380
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 51,599	I keep hearing that Trump's Igor doesn't have a lawyer, is this true?
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14th June 2023, 09:26 AM	#381
Reformed Offlian Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: USA Posts: 1,229	Originally Posted by newyorkguy trump flew from Miami to New Jersey after being arrested and arraigned today. A rally was held at the trump National Golf Club in Bedminster at which trump addressed his supporters. About an hour ago, in a live update, the New York Times reported, "Trump’s motorcade is rolling into Bedminster as “Suspicious Minds” by Elvis Presley plays over the loudspeakers." Seems appropriate, seeing as he's caught in a trap and can't walk out.

14th June 2023, 09:32 AM	#382
Reformed Offlian Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: USA Posts: 1,229	Originally Posted by Mike! I keep hearing that Trump's Igor doesn't have a lawyer, is this true? Igor has already shown he can represent himself in court. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbbqJQRSdKg

14th June 2023, 09:32 AM	#383
lobosrul5 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 6,175	Originally Posted by Segnosaur I think it is a valid concern to worry about a single MAGAchud juror blocking a guilty verdict. (Technically it would be a hung jury, rather than jury nullification.) But, in the case of a hung jury, the prosecution would still have the ability to re-file charges. (In an actual jury nullification, every member of the jury would vote not guilty and the prosecutors would not be able to touch trump for this particular set of crimes. I don't think that will happen here.) I think thats bordering on a safe assumption. And, electorally/politically speaking its kind of a win for Biden. The trial dragging on all the way past the November 2024 election is just fantastic for him. If Trump is found guilty and is punished (house arrest most likely) the GoP would probably solidify around one candidate, likely DeSantis. But with the trial still ongoing a lot of the MAGA people will stick with Trump in the primaries.
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14th June 2023, 09:40 AM	#384
newyorkguy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NY Posts: 13,317	In 2020 Joe Biden carried Miami-Dade County over trump by 'only' 53%-46%. However, the wildcard is that someone who supported trump in 2020 may be a Ron DeSantis supporter now. Why would that matter? To paraphrase trump: Quote: He's guilty! Everybody knows it!

14th June 2023, 09:47 AM	#385
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 45,413	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 I think thats bordering on a safe assumption. And, electorally/politically speaking its kind of a win for Biden. The trial dragging on all the way past the November 2024 election is just fantastic for him. If Trump is found guilty and is punished (house arrest most likely) the GoP would probably solidify around one candidate, likely DeSantis. But with the trial still ongoing a lot of the MAGA people will stick with Trump in the primaries. The problem is Trump is already starting the "You have to elect me in 2024 to save me" routine with his followers. Trump's whole thing (still very loosely ranted but coming together somewhat) is if he gets back into office in 2024 he's pardon himself (or do something functionally the same) and punish everyone who came after him which is bad enough on its own but also sounds like a really good first step in the larger power grab they've all but been announcing is the end goal. I'm very weary of basically turning the 2024 election into the defacto trial. Especially since if Trump takes office again in 2024 that's it, that's the end and if he loses there's still only like a 1 in 10 chance of him facing any type of real consequence. The Republicans have done a very good job of making justice and a political hit look like exactly the same to a lot of people. Is any of this for sure? Of course not I like to think "we're in weird times" is something nobody here will be called upon to defend too strongly at this point and yes it absolutely could go the way you are saying just as easy. But it scares me as a non-crazy possibility.
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14th June 2023, 09:51 AM	#386
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 37,744	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 Who wants to take bets that not only will Trump discuss the cause with Nauta, he'll record it, make it public, then bitch/moan/cry that he's being setup and its a witch hunt? Originally Posted by acbytesla Trump won't record it. But Nauta might, in order to get a deal!
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14th June 2023, 10:00 AM	#387
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 20,313	Originally Posted by Mike! I keep hearing that Trump's Igor doesn't have a lawyer, is this true? I assume you are referring to Trump's minion/valet Nauta. It is true that during his arraignment he was unable to enter a plea because he didn't have a lawyer. He supposedly does have legal representation, just none that are local to where the proceedings are.
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14th June 2023, 10:10 AM	#388
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 28,475	Originally Posted by Mike! I keep hearing that Trump's Igor doesn't have a lawyer, is this true? I can't help but call him "Walnetto".
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14th June 2023, 01:53 PM	#389
pzkpfw Thinker Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 226	I see it's being reported fairly by fox: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-can...g-biden-speech Quote: But then came a chyron that was startling even for the conservative network during its raucously opinionated prime-time hours: "Wannabe Dictator Speaks at the White House After Having His Political Rival Arrested."
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14th June 2023, 02:09 PM	#390
TurkeysGhost Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 34,736	Originally Posted by pzkpfw I see it's being reported fairly by fox: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-can...g-biden-speech Jealousy is ugly. The right has had blue balls about locking up their political enemies for years now.
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14th June 2023, 02:54 PM	#392
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 45,413	In the vaguest statement ever uttered outside of my wife telling me what she wants for dinner, FoxNews says it has "addressed" the onscreen graphic, without saying how it was address, how it happened, why it happened, or why any of us should believe it wasn't on purpose. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...7f15cbea5&ei=9
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14th June 2023, 03:08 PM	#393
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 6,595	Originally Posted by Segnosaur I think it is a valid concern to worry about a single MAGAchud juror blocking a guilty verdict. (Technically it would be a hung jury, rather than jury nullification.) But, in the case of a hung jury, the prosecution would still have the ability to re-file charges. (In an actual jury nullification, every member of the jury would vote not guilty and the prosecutors would not be able to touch trump for this particular set of crimes. I don't think that will happen here.) Gotcha.
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14th June 2023, 04:22 PM	#394
newyorkguy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NY Posts: 13,317	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue In the vaguest statement ever uttered outside of my wife telling me what she wants for dinner, FoxNews says it has "addressed" the onscreen graphic, without saying how it was address, how it happened, why it happened, or why any of us should believe it wasn't on purpose. Fox News link Shout out to my ex-Boss. You were so right. You can't make this stuff up! Two questions come to mind: Is Tucker Carlson back at Fox? Isn't the "wannabe dictator " the one on the right? But he's not speaking "at the White House," he's speaking at some private club in Jersey.

14th June 2023, 04:33 PM	#395
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,592	Originally Posted by alfaniner I can't help but call him "Walnetto". I like "Igor". Originally Posted by newyorkguy Isn't the "wannabe dictator " the one on the right? But he's not speaking "at the White House," he's speaking at some private club in Jersey. In the Rightosphere, the "wannabe dictator" is Biden.
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14th June 2023, 04:33 PM	#396
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,223	Originally Posted by Segnosaur I think it is a valid concern to worry about a single MAGAchud juror blocking a guilty verdict. (Technically it would be a hung jury, rather than jury nullification.) But, in the case of a hung jury, the prosecution would still have the ability to re-file charges. And by that time Trump could be re-elected and we'd be back to square 0. However, I'm convinced the 30% of voters who comprise Trump's base plus maybe 10% of the idiots who hate 'Libruls' or are swept up in the gaslighting aren't enough to elect loser Trump.